I like Nano, but I despise some of the rah-rahs that go along with it. I have given in to the fact that I am not a shiny happy person. I enjoy my cynicism. Super-positive people kinda creep me out a bit.
Oh, god, yes! My ML starts all of her posts with a paragraph about how "awesome" our region is. I quickly stopped reading her posts, thereby preventing at least one homicide.
The teenager nanoers, well, they have the excuse. Ignorance being bliss (or as I recently learned, the Dunning-Kruger effect), they kinda have to be like that til reality knocks some of the rough edges off. Bless their fluffy little hearts. Doesn't mean I have to hold hands n' sing with 'em, though.
My usual take (this is year 11 for me) is "shut up and write." I don't do the forums much, which cuts down on the fluffy-happy-bunny overload. The only draw back of that is that nano seems to exacerbate the lonely state in which writers usually exist. I get frustrated that there aren't some reasonable people participating. . .
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Are you my husband!? When did you change your handle honey?!
He is a grumbly cynical pessimist and I am one of those annoyingly OMG THE WHOLE WORLD IS AMAZING!!!! type people. I believe the word he likes to use is curmudgeon, though.
I mean, sure, I have my bad days, but for the most part, I'm pretty glass is half full. But hopefully, this won't be too insufferably rah-rah. But I'm chiming in for my darling curmudgeon with a "hey!"
My hubby calls himself a curmudgeon too! As a non-fiction writer, he's been very supportive of my first NaNo until 3 min ago... I said, "I'm actually aiming for 105,000 words. I have 28 days I can write, and that's 3750 a day." He was making a very pained expression, so I said, "WHAT?" And he said, "I don't know... that's a lot..." yeesh. As he went to refill his coffee cup (maybe he hadn't had enough caffeine??) I yelled at his back, "HEY! You're supposed to be supportive here!"
Of course, now I just have to prove him wrong. That was one of those "oh, he shouldn't have done that" moments, where the bad guy makes the good guy REALLY mad, so he cranks it up a notch and starts to really kick ass... *was this his master plan??*
I am normally a grumbly crab apple, but I don't know, writing is the only thing I have ever been good at, so it is kind of like the one time of year I am able to rise above sub-mediocrity. Rah-rah-rah-ism kind of accidentally seeps out of me. I'll let you know if I loose a bunch of words during the course of the month though, that's usually good for a crab-ass set back.
I love you, and yes, I'm starting to get very irritated with the hoopla surrounding it.
I love writing, and I love the idea of having a month to write a novel, blah-di-blah-di-blah, but the promotional stuff, the talk I've heard from some of recruiting people (in past years) and the... cult-like-ness of some people surrounding NaNo makes me roll my eyes at the least, and scares the crap out of me at the worst.
Super happy people make me think "What are you covering up under the surface" or "Okay, you can afford copious amounts of cocaine... can you chop me out?" :P Or they make me think of Peewee Herman, who, yes, is quite creepy.
I agree completely! I love writing, I enjoy the pressure of writing a good amount of stuff in a month, but I just don't get all the huzzah around it. I don't have any merchandise, I'm not going to buy a Winner shirt, and I only printed the winner certificate because I needed a cover for the binder that my first draft is in for editting. And all this happy-happy-we-are-soooo-awesome-non-writers-don't-understand-us attitude ------ like wut? No, I'm just going to write my novels, NaNo or not. I do donate because I agree with the concept of NaNo, but that's it. Writing is not something to be ashamed of, but you should do it it in private and clean up after yourself. ;)
I consider myself a pessimist and a cynic. For the most part, optimists see what they want to see, realist see but don't accept, and pessimist expect and refuse to make excuses. I consider optimist to be delusional and/or on mind altering drugs, realist are constantly disappointed, but as a pessimist I expect the worst. So, I am not surprised when the worst happens and can, on a rare occasion, be pleasantly surprised when the it doesn't happen. I don't mind all the rah rah. I'm just not going to put on the pom poms. I can be encouraging without the plastered on smile. If fact, I am known to be a good listener. Just don't ask me questions if you don't want an honest answer, because that is what you will get. Tact and I are not close acquaintances. I try to follow the rule my mother taught me which is "if you can't say something nice..." I am a fairly quiet person. ;-)
I don't think I can go so far as to profess to be a dyed in the wool curmudgeon, but I definitely have more of those days than not. Either way, I am FAR from the flighty, bouncy, happy kind of person who freaks out over everything. I honestly don't get the anxiety over this. I don't need pep talks. When you overdo that level of happy every day, it comes across as fake. Sorry.
If I hit 50K, go me. I wouldn't have signed up if I wasn't serious about shooting for that goal, but what is the sense in spazzing over it? I set my personal goal at 60K so there :P If I don't make it... well yeah I'll be disappointed and ticked off, but my life will continue and I'll keep working on what I started. I got off to a slow start, but I am looking forward to some free time when I know I'll be able to concentrate better.
Honestly... one of the biggest reasons I avoided this was because of all the hysterical anxiety everyone seemed to have. It turned me off. Glad I'm not alone in that.
I can be pretty cynical and sarcastic, but I do enjoy life and hope for/expect good things to happen. In the back of my head I always think things can go terribly wrong at any second. I call that realism, though :P
I have difficulty going OTT over it, too. Last year I hit 50,000 words in 2 weeks and my first thought was - "I wonder if I can do 100,000". I guess I'm just a boring old git... :D
Speaking to a colleague yesterday who came to my classroom to hide from the boss and write for an hour. I don't remember the context of the conversation but she said "you're such a nice person." I stopped her and said "I'm really not a nice person, I just happen to like you."
17Tracker wrote: "I'm really not a nice person, I just happen to like you."
I say the same thing, all the time, and after 8.5 years at the same place of employment, people are finally beginning to believe it. Everyone already knows I'm the "mean librarian" and will send particularly troublesome students my way.
My husband also describes himself as a curmudgeon although with him it's more talk than anything else. I guess we'd call ourselves hopeful misanthropes, if that makes any sense. I always think of a cynic as an optimist cursed with the ability to see just how screwed up everything really is.
I'm about ready to dump my regional group. The ML focuses on events in HER area and ignores all others. She is also annoying with the perky. I don't mind happy, but the perky makes me want to get slap happy.
I love my regional group, and I admit to being perkier than my MLs, but I hate, hate, HAAAAAAAAATE all the underaged fantasy genre emo kids who don't understand why nobody wants to take their special little snowflake manuscripts seriously. (I know this because I screamed at one in our chat room last night. "Oh, I want to self-publish my novel, but the world doesn't want to read my super special hentai steampunk Mary Sue story and nobody in my life wants to support me EXCEPT FOR YOU GUYS AND I THOUGHT YOU CARED boo hoo hoo." Hello, you're 16, you're allowed to make mistakes. GROW A PAIR. Or watch Fight Club. And don't tell me you can't find a copy of Fight Club. You do know how to torrent, don't you?)
Next year I'm going to lobby my MLs to push the Young Writer's Program super hard so that we can start swearing in our chatrooms again.
The people that I hate more than the emo kids are the pompous ones who think that Every Novel Must Be Important but are so busy talking about theirs and themselves that they don't even bother talking to me when they find out that I'm writing a thriller. So I'm writing a mainstream fiction book. So I'm writing for the market. So. Fucking. What. I'm still a PhD student who needs the money, and you're still an elitist jackass whom nobody remembers fondly. Sue me.
Cynics and pessimists (of which I am both) get a bad wrap. People often draw attention to it in a negative way which, unsurprisingly, annoys me. The main problem, I find, is that it is often mistaken for unhappiness. I am not an unhappy person. If life appears well, I won't necessarily jump for joy -- but internally there be a banquet in full flow I tell thee.
Anyway, optimists and perkies are just closet cynics in reality. :)
I can sympathize with people's pains, but not with their pleasure. There is something curiously boring about somebody else's happiness. - Aldous Huxley
quietasdormidas wrote: I can sympathize with people's pains, but not with their pleasure. There is something curiously boring about somebody else's happiness. - Aldous Huxley
I was never happy-clappy even as a teenager so I'm not sure what the youngsters' excuse is. I hate stupid writing tips. Like, OMG, if your story is not working, stick a vampire in there!!!! YAHOO!! (rolls eyes so hard they fall out of head)
I don't like regional forums anyway because the only thing we have in common is, we all live in the same area. To me, that's not enough to provide warm fuzzy feelings of community. Sometimes you want to associate with like-MINDED people (people who actually, like, have a MIND) and not the frathouse down the road.
My region has a version of that which is something about lesbians and werewolves. Um... yeah.
I haven't been to the meetups for a couple of years, but the last times I did were kind of noisy and loud and it was hard to talk to a variety of people and there was quite a bit of "vying for attention" stupidity. I genuinely miss a few people whom I only ever seem to catch up with at NaNo, but the hyperactive wank and frat party behaviour rubs all my social anxiety issues the wrong way. Maybe I'm just getting too old for the social aspect.
A great book to read for all of us here, I think, is: The big curmudgeon: 2500 Irreverently outrageous quotations form world-class grumps and cantankerous commentators.
And, no, nobody is paying me to say this, I just liked the book and found myself nodding along quite often.
Ha ha! Despite my cheerful avatar, I clicked on this because I was hoping for a little safe place to rant! I'm getting so annoyed with all these so-called writers nearly peeing their pants about copyright infringement. Jesus, people! You're supposed to be authors of fiction. Act like it. Grow a pair for God's Sake! I just saw someone ask if they could use the titles of real books in a scene where their characters go to a book store and someone told them to use public domain titles. Public domain. I'm not kidding. It is angering me. Why? I have no idea, but I'm seriously pissed off at the wussiness of kids today. They are so afraid of lawyers, they don't even know their own rights as writers of fiction. Sigh. That said, Nano is for the kids...isn't it. But why do we want to frighten them away with boogey men (aka copyright lawyers)? Rant over., Thanks.
I'm sorry, but not everyone should be a writer. I'm never going to be a professional basketball player or a NASA shuttle pilot. I'm okay with that. If you write just for prestige or to embody a stereotype then you need to check your shallow personality characteristics. Kids are not excluded from that statement. I think a lot of these kids need creative encouragement from a predominately uncreative society. (Tyler Perry, I'm talking to you.) Of course if that encouragement breeds slush pile fodder then what's the point. Less is more in my opinion. (Tyler Perry, I'm talking to you again.)
MattHawthorneIsAMyth wrote: I'm sorry, but not everyone should be a writer. I'm never going to be a professional basketball player or a NASA shuttle pilot. I'm okay with that. If you write just for prestige or to embody a stereotype then you need to check your shallow personality characteristics. Kids are not excluded from that statement. I think a lot of these kids need creative encouragement from a predominately uncreative society. (Tyler Perry, I'm talking to you.) Of course if that encouragement breeds slush pile fodder then what's the point. Less is more in my opinion. (Tyler Perry, I'm talking to you again.)
I disagree. Everyone who wants to write should write. Not all English majors or novelists write well. If you have a story to tell, tell it. However, if you're writing out of your element (as most teenagers do, writing almost anything other than high school drama), you need to do some research or have experience beyond Google and Wikipedia. It's a good start to frame for your nano story, but you need to go deeper for real substance. It's something readers like me would appreciate. Also: don't go to the deep end of research (e.g. Thomas Pynchon): you completely confound the story, confuse the reader and bore the audience. Actually, that's rarely a problem I've seen in nano. I think it's why I like the sci fi forum, though.
(Before reading this, understand that I'm no fan of the newly hormonally-charged in the 12 to 20 range.)
Everyone...and I do mean EVERYONE...does something especially moody and emo when they are that age. Some write poetry, some write crappy NaNo novels, some jump off of silos into water that isn't very deep...so on and so forth.
If it comes down to it, I'd rather my kid be writing crappy Mary Sue Naruto fanfiction than going out and getting pregnant. *shrug*
Besides that, what writer *hasn't* gone back to one's early writings and cringed?
I say give the kids a break....because we've all been there. And because they're kids. Who cares if they write stupid crap right now? It's practice, at least! And it gets their feelings out in a non-violent, legal way.
(Though I agree that if there's a lot of problems in one's NaNo group with this, that the Young Writer's program needs to be advertised more and organized for them better.)
It's not their bad writing (or even bad ideas about stories) that bothers me. It's the OMG I AM THE CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE mentality. Such as one person told me that my story sounds stupid because it is about two brothers who fight demons, meanwhile her story was awesome because it was about two brothers who became vampires. Yes, because my story has demons and not vampires, it was stupid.
Or the one kid of 15 who started a thread in the genre forum about 'rate my story!' and then got pissed when someone posted their synopsis without giving her story a high rating first.
Just to add to the cynical vibe, why in the hell should we encourage anyone to write?
There are probably fewer writers who can make a living off their earnings in the US than there are professional baseball players. Advances for novels tend to be in the whopping four figure range (ooh!!!! That's going to let me quit my day job!) and still have a <1% acceptance rate. Short stories are also brutal. Enjoy those $0.05/word in markets that accept less than one out of every stories we receive!
I don't think that writing is a bad thing. I enjoy it as a hobby, and it's cheaper than costuming and less fattening than cooking. But...I'd hardly encourage anyone to do it as there's no reason to do it, near as I can tell, than that I enjoy doing it.
Quote:. It is angering me. Why? I have no idea, but I'm seriously pissed off at the wussiness of kids today. They are so afraid of lawyers, they don't even know their own rights as writers of fiction.
You know what really horrifies me about this?
That these kids don't know how to use Google and read up a bit on copyright law.
Seriously: it's either stupidity or laziness, and both of those things irritate me.
Ahem. As one of those copyright lawyers (and trademarks and other IP-related matters), I am constantly appalled at the misinformation regarding the copyright law, first amendment law, and just the law in general among the general population.
It's painful in the extreme to me.
I feel like it really IS my job to educate clients, not just tell them what to do. Someone once told me that clients you take the time to educate are the kind of clients who come back for more business later...and make referrals.
But I'm wondering what we're teaching in schools if we can't be bothered to teach any basic legal theory or knowledge. What's going on in civics/American history classes these days? What about home room classes where you're supposed to learn life skills like balancing checkbooks? Can't you find any kids with lawyer parents to come in and teach it for you if you don't know what you're talking about?
I'm going to go out on a limb and rant for moment myself. It drives me nuts that there are so many people who are debating minutae. "What should my vampire character's name be?" or "I can't figure out what my chekov's gun should be."
Just freakin write for Christ's sake. Quit worrying so much and write. You may even *gasp* write something original, instead of writing the same story that every angsty teenage has been writing for the last ten years!
Some people need hand holding and affirmation. Some don't. The good news is that it is pretty easy to avoid if you don't.
I like the atmosphere here, and the encouragement I get just from knowing that there are other nujobs out there trying to do the same thing I'm doing. But I don't need everyone to reassure me about copyrights or affirm my character name choice. Pick a name, stick the legally questionable (even though it isn't) in there. You're not publishing. Your're writing. You can work all that crap out later.
And seriously? Google is my friend. I can't count the number of things I've googled, and I write fantasy. I couldn't imagine starting a thread about the various positions in a working castle for a lord (chamberlain, grooms, etc) when I can just look it up myself.
Here's a bit of Generational politics for ya. Generation X (us) tends to be a little independent by nature. We make a decision for us and go. Generation Y, because they've grown up with social networking and schoolwork that is so team-oriented, likes to make decisions by consensus.
Good point! Also, I appreciate that you called them Gen Y. They like to be called Millennials. Really? Do you? Fascinating. And We'd like to be called Generation Sexy Pants, but that's not going to happen, despite the sexiness of our pants. So deal with it, Gen Y.
I actually appreciate the forums because I like to waste time in them and then, when they start to annoy, that's a reminder to me that I have a novel to write. Speaking of...
MattHawthorneIsAMyth wrote: I'm going to go out on a limb and rant for moment myself. It drives me nuts that there are so many people who are debating minutae. "What should my vampire character's name be?" or "I can't figure out what my chekov's gun should be."
Just freakin write for Christ's sake. Quit worrying so much and write. You may even *gasp* write something original, instead of writing the same story that every angsty teenage has been writing for the last ten years!
Ugh. Cliche frustrates me to no end.
This is particularly entertaining in the Information Age where a character's name can be changed with a two-key shortcut - Replace All.
I agree, some people get it completely backwards. They get so hung up on the tiny details, that they can't even see the bigger picture of their own story, and aren't making progress to writing it. I feel like saying "Fred. Your vampire's name is Fred. Now get on with writing your story, or you will never get it written."
I like NaNo, I like the camraderie, I cannot STAND the "OMG we're SOOOoooo wacky! Aren't we crazy for doing this?! OMG! SOOOOOooo crazy!" crap.
I went on a whole rant about NaNoers I hate in a blog post, in fact.
I like going to some write-ins. Generally, I'm an introvert. My batteries get recharged spending time alone or maybe with one or two good friends. Large groups enervate me at best and outright piss me off at worst. But some write-ins are good. There's a quiet community of us, just sitting there typing away, sipping coffee. Maybe every once in awhile, someone makes a quick comment and we chat for about three minutes, then it's back to work.
Then there are the write-ins that might as well be Tupperware parties, with drawings and stupid games and someone standing up and yelling "For the next 20 minutes, word sprint! Have a rabid wombat crash the scene you're writing right now!" OH, the hilarity! Yeah, shut the hell up before I ninja-throw my laptop at you. I'm trying to WRITE over here.
I think I'll start naming the Write-Ins I host like they're created by Zoolander. "Write-Ins for Writers Who Just Want to Write and Stuff", that's what they'll be called.
Just a quick aside, I went to a regional WI today and ended up throwing on my headphones while an annoyingly upbeat host made me sign-in, write my name on a name tag, and then suggest I go write in a cafe across the co-op we were using. Granted, it was a small space and there were a lot of people, but I drove a half-hour to sit by myself.
Fortunately, not a single fuck was given today, so I cranked out 2100 words and packed up my iPad and bounced while they were giving away vibrating pens and silly bands. I wanted to toss the ML's down the stairs. My regional WI's remind me of a high school glee club and it's really starting to piss me off.
I haven't gone to any write-ins this year, but I went to a few last year and they weren't anything like that. It was more like a bunch of writers writing, occasionally sharing a few jokes or comments, with a word sprint or two for competition. I found it convivial and motivating, but not something I'd do all the time. I think I'll hit 'em up if (when?) my word count starts to flag,
We had nametags at one meetup I went to, and apparently it was hilarious when one participant stuck them all over her chest. LOL BEWBS!!!!2!!!1!!!! Or something. The photos went up on FaceBook with equally intelligent comments. Frat house is a lovely description.
I'm sorry you were stuck by yourself and you made some effort to get there: small space is small space, but seriously, that's some shithouse planning right there. Then again, you got writing done, they probably didn't. Then again, you probably could have found a cafe that was closer to you.
I don't do the glee club thing, either... it's nice to hear that I'm not alone. (And: YES. This is not THAT crazy/weird/out there/whacky/zany/whatever else makes them sound like fun-loving special snowflake hipsters-- the freebee paper in my (major) city today had TWO letters to the editor from people doing NaNoWriMo. If a commercial rag aimed at the lowest common denominator is publishing stuff about NaNo, then it's not THAT unique and obscure.)
I think if you look at the word totals for a lot of the people barking about how much they love WI's you'll see that perhaps they are just desperately seeking social interaction rather than seriously wanting to write...just a thought.
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Hey,
I like Nano, but I despise some of the rah-rahs that go along with it. I have given in to the fact that I am not a shiny happy person. I enjoy my cynicism. Super-positive people kinda creep me out a bit.
Anyone here in the same boat?
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I'm totally with you before I had my coffee. Not a morning person does not even begin to describe me.
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Oh, god, yes! My ML starts all of her posts with a paragraph about how "awesome" our region is. I quickly stopped reading her posts, thereby preventing at least one homicide.
The teenager nanoers, well, they have the excuse. Ignorance being bliss (or as I recently learned, the Dunning-Kruger effect), they kinda have to be like that til reality knocks some of the rough edges off. Bless their fluffy little hearts. Doesn't mean I have to hold hands n' sing with 'em, though.
My usual take (this is year 11 for me) is "shut up and write." I don't do the forums much, which cuts down on the fluffy-happy-bunny overload. The only draw back of that is that nano seems to exacerbate the lonely state in which writers usually exist. I get frustrated that there aren't some reasonable people participating. . .
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(I've flat-lined. ;))
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Are you my husband!? When did you change your handle honey?!
He is a grumbly cynical pessimist and I am one of those annoyingly OMG THE WHOLE WORLD IS AMAZING!!!! type people. I believe the word he likes to use is curmudgeon, though.
I mean, sure, I have my bad days, but for the most part, I'm pretty glass is half full. But hopefully, this won't be too insufferably rah-rah. But I'm chiming in for my darling curmudgeon with a "hey!"
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My hubby calls himself a curmudgeon too! As a non-fiction writer, he's been very supportive of my first NaNo until 3 min ago... I said, "I'm actually aiming for 105,000 words. I have 28 days I can write, and that's 3750 a day." He was making a very pained expression, so I said, "WHAT?" And he said, "I don't know... that's a lot..." yeesh. As he went to refill his coffee cup (maybe he hadn't had enough caffeine??) I yelled at his back, "HEY! You're supposed to be supportive here!"
Of course, now I just have to prove him wrong. That was one of those "oh, he shouldn't have done that" moments, where the bad guy makes the good guy REALLY mad, so he cranks it up a notch and starts to really kick ass... *was this his master plan??*
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I am normally a grumbly crab apple, but I don't know, writing is the only thing I have ever been good at, so it is kind of like the one time of year I am able to rise above sub-mediocrity. Rah-rah-rah-ism kind of accidentally seeps out of me. I'll let you know if I loose a bunch of words during the course of the month though, that's usually good for a crab-ass set back.
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I love you, and yes, I'm starting to get very irritated with the hoopla surrounding it.
I love writing, and I love the idea of having a month to write a novel, blah-di-blah-di-blah, but the promotional stuff, the talk I've heard from some of recruiting people (in past years) and the... cult-like-ness of some people surrounding NaNo makes me roll my eyes at the least, and scares the crap out of me at the worst.
Super happy people make me think "What are you covering up under the surface" or "Okay, you can afford copious amounts of cocaine... can you chop me out?" :P Or they make me think of Peewee Herman, who, yes, is quite creepy.
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Funny, I've always thought that the obsessively negative were cutters and on heroin. Definitely creepy. Guess it works both ways. = )
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I agree completely! I love writing, I enjoy the pressure of writing a good amount of stuff in a month, but I just don't get all the huzzah around it. I don't have any merchandise, I'm not going to buy a Winner shirt, and I only printed the winner certificate because I needed a cover for the binder that my first draft is in for editting. And all this happy-happy-we-are-soooo-awesome-non-writers-don't-understand-us attitude ------ like wut?
No, I'm just going to write my novels, NaNo or not. I do donate because I agree with the concept of NaNo, but that's it. Writing is not something to be ashamed of, but you should do it it in private and clean up after yourself. ;)
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I consider myself a pessimist and a cynic. For the most part, optimists see what they want to see, realist see but don't accept, and pessimist expect and refuse to make excuses. I consider optimist to be delusional and/or on mind altering drugs, realist are constantly disappointed, but as a pessimist I expect the worst. So, I am not surprised when the worst happens and can, on a rare occasion, be pleasantly surprised when the it doesn't happen.
I don't mind all the rah rah. I'm just not going to put on the pom poms. I can be encouraging without the plastered on smile. If fact, I am known to be a good listener. Just don't ask me questions if you don't want an honest answer, because that is what you will get. Tact and I are not close acquaintances. I try to follow the rule my mother taught me which is "if you can't say something nice..." I am a fairly quiet person. ;-)
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I used to think I was a pessimist but now I reckon it's probably just brain cancer making me act that way.
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Lol. I know I am a.... Damn old timers disease, whatever it was is what I am.
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I don't think I can go so far as to profess to be a dyed in the wool curmudgeon, but I definitely have more of those days than not. Either way, I am FAR from the flighty, bouncy, happy kind of person who freaks out over everything. I honestly don't get the anxiety over this. I don't need pep talks. When you overdo that level of happy every day, it comes across as fake. Sorry.
If I hit 50K, go me. I wouldn't have signed up if I wasn't serious about shooting for that goal, but what is the sense in spazzing over it? I set my personal goal at 60K so there :P If I don't make it... well yeah I'll be disappointed and ticked off, but my life will continue and I'll keep working on what I started. I got off to a slow start, but I am looking forward to some free time when I know I'll be able to concentrate better.
Honestly... one of the biggest reasons I avoided this was because of all the hysterical anxiety everyone seemed to have. It turned me off. Glad I'm not alone in that.
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I can be pretty cynical and sarcastic, but I do enjoy life and hope for/expect good things to happen. In the back of my head I always think things can go terribly wrong at any second. I call that realism, though :P
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I have difficulty going OTT over it, too. Last year I hit 50,000 words in 2 weeks and my first thought was - "I wonder if I can do 100,000". I guess I'm just a boring old git... :D
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Speaking to a colleague yesterday who came to my classroom to hide from the boss and write for an hour. I don't remember the context of the conversation but she said "you're such a nice person."
I stopped her and said "I'm really not a nice person, I just happen to like you."
It was a rare moment of clarity for me.
Count me in to the pissed off cynics camp.
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I say the same thing, all the time, and after 8.5 years at the same place of employment, people are finally beginning to believe it. Everyone already knows I'm the "mean librarian" and will send particularly troublesome students my way.
My husband also describes himself as a curmudgeon although with him it's more talk than anything else. I guess we'd call ourselves hopeful misanthropes, if that makes any sense. I always think of a cynic as an optimist cursed with the ability to see just how screwed up everything really is.
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There's a reason I'm not really associating with my regional group...and this is it.
Well, this and they're usually all about the zombies or something.
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I'm about ready to dump my regional group. The ML focuses on events in HER area and ignores all others. She is also annoying with the perky. I don't mind happy, but the perky makes me want to get slap happy.
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YES!
I love my regional group, and I admit to being perkier than my MLs, but I hate, hate, HAAAAAAAAATE all the underaged fantasy genre emo kids who don't understand why nobody wants to take their special little snowflake manuscripts seriously. (I know this because I screamed at one in our chat room last night. "Oh, I want to self-publish my novel, but the world doesn't want to read my super special hentai steampunk Mary Sue story and nobody in my life wants to support me EXCEPT FOR YOU GUYS AND I THOUGHT YOU CARED boo hoo hoo." Hello, you're 16, you're allowed to make mistakes. GROW A PAIR. Or watch Fight Club. And don't tell me you can't find a copy of Fight Club. You do know how to torrent, don't you?)
Next year I'm going to lobby my MLs to push the Young Writer's Program super hard so that we can start swearing in our chatrooms again.
The people that I hate more than the emo kids are the pompous ones who think that Every Novel Must Be Important but are so busy talking about theirs and themselves that they don't even bother talking to me when they find out that I'm writing a thriller. So I'm writing a mainstream fiction book. So I'm writing for the market. So. Fucking. What. I'm still a PhD student who needs the money, and you're still an elitist jackass whom nobody remembers fondly. Sue me.
Thanks for listening.
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Fuck yes, this.
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Or wait for said pair to descend. hehe
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BWAHAHAAHAAA!!! Oh, puberty.
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I'm not a curmudgeon, but I like you guys. A lot. I'm just a mom with no time for bull shit.
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I love you. Just so you know that. ;)
I spend far too much mental energy wondering which to hate most, the emo-snowflakes or the "I am writing something grand and glorious".
Strangely, my regional is filled with...not to many of either of them, which has me floored. But I'm guessing that it is only a matter of time...
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I am a misanthrope. I really do not like people and perky people tend to annoy the hell out of me.
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Cynics and pessimists (of which I am both) get a bad wrap. People often draw attention to it in a negative way which, unsurprisingly, annoys me. The main problem, I find, is that it is often mistaken for unhappiness. I am not an unhappy person. If life appears well, I won't necessarily jump for joy -- but internally there be a banquet in full flow I tell thee.
Anyway, optimists and perkies are just closet cynics in reality. :)
Happy Nanoing.
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I can sympathize with people's pains, but not with their pleasure. There is something curiously boring about somebody else's happiness.
- Aldous Huxley
Ah, but what good would Ren be without Stimpy.
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Duly noted.
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Cynical = realist
Optimist = delusional
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Agreed.
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Liking this thread.
I was never happy-clappy even as a teenager so I'm not sure what the youngsters' excuse is. I hate stupid writing tips. Like, OMG, if your story is not working, stick a vampire in there!!!! YAHOO!! (rolls eyes so hard they fall out of head)
I don't like regional forums anyway because the only thing we have in common is, we all live in the same area. To me, that's not enough to provide warm fuzzy feelings of community. Sometimes you want to associate with like-MINDED people (people who actually, like, have a MIND) and not the frathouse down the road.
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Everyone knows you don't stick vampires in there if it's not working, you blow shit up.
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THIS.
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Or add zombies.
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Adding zombies and then blowing them up worked for me in '07....
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How 'bout zombie ninjas in drag who blow up if you take away their hairspray?
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My region has a version of that which is something about lesbians and werewolves. Um... yeah.
I haven't been to the meetups for a couple of years, but the last times I did were kind of noisy and loud and it was hard to talk to a variety of people and there was quite a bit of "vying for attention" stupidity. I genuinely miss a few people whom I only ever seem to catch up with at NaNo, but the hyperactive wank and frat party behaviour rubs all my social anxiety issues the wrong way. Maybe I'm just getting too old for the social aspect.
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love cynics hate vampires...make that bubblegum vampires who live in frathouses.
trying to creatively mix Twilight series with Cormac McCarthy.
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A great book to read for all of us here, I think, is: The big curmudgeon: 2500 Irreverently outrageous quotations form world-class grumps and cantankerous commentators.
And, no, nobody is paying me to say this, I just liked the book and found myself nodding along quite often.
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Ha ha! Despite my cheerful avatar, I clicked on this because I was hoping for a little safe place to rant! I'm getting so annoyed with all these so-called writers nearly peeing their pants about copyright infringement. Jesus, people! You're supposed to be authors of fiction. Act like it. Grow a pair for God's Sake! I just saw someone ask if they could use the titles of real books in a scene where their characters go to a book store and someone told them to use public domain titles. Public domain. I'm not kidding. It is angering me. Why? I have no idea, but I'm seriously pissed off at the wussiness of kids today. They are so afraid of lawyers, they don't even know their own rights as writers of fiction. Sigh. That said, Nano is for the kids...isn't it. But why do we want to frighten them away with boogey men (aka copyright lawyers)? Rant over., Thanks.
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Sorry, I meant Nano is PARTLY for the kids...to encourage them to become writers and what not.
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I'm sorry, but not everyone should be a writer. I'm never going to be a professional basketball player or a NASA shuttle pilot. I'm okay with that. If you write just for prestige or to embody a stereotype then you need to check your shallow personality characteristics. Kids are not excluded from that statement. I think a lot of these kids need creative encouragement from a predominately uncreative society. (Tyler Perry, I'm talking to you.) Of course if that encouragement breeds slush pile fodder then what's the point. Less is more in my opinion. (Tyler Perry, I'm talking to you again.)
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I disagree. Everyone who wants to write should write. Not all English majors or novelists write well. If you have a story to tell, tell it. However, if you're writing out of your element (as most teenagers do, writing almost anything other than high school drama), you need to do some research or have experience beyond Google and Wikipedia. It's a good start to frame for your nano story, but you need to go deeper for real substance. It's something readers like me would appreciate. Also: don't go to the deep end of research (e.g. Thomas Pynchon): you completely confound the story, confuse the reader and bore the audience. Actually, that's rarely a problem I've seen in nano. I think it's why I like the sci fi forum, though.
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(Before reading this, understand that I'm no fan of the newly hormonally-charged in the 12 to 20 range.)
Everyone...and I do mean EVERYONE...does something especially moody and emo when they are that age. Some write poetry, some write crappy NaNo novels, some jump off of silos into water that isn't very deep...so on and so forth.
If it comes down to it, I'd rather my kid be writing crappy Mary Sue Naruto fanfiction than going out and getting pregnant. *shrug*
Besides that, what writer *hasn't* gone back to one's early writings and cringed?
I say give the kids a break....because we've all been there. And because they're kids. Who cares if they write stupid crap right now? It's practice, at least! And it gets their feelings out in a non-violent, legal way.
(Though I agree that if there's a lot of problems in one's NaNo group with this, that the Young Writer's program needs to be advertised more and organized for them better.)
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Heh... Did you just come in a thread titled "Pissed Off Cynics" and suggest we stop being quite so cynical? ;D
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It's not their bad writing (or even bad ideas about stories) that bothers me. It's the OMG I AM THE CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE mentality. Such as one person told me that my story sounds stupid because it is about two brothers who fight demons, meanwhile her story was awesome because it was about two brothers who became vampires. Yes, because my story has demons and not vampires, it was stupid.
Or the one kid of 15 who started a thread in the genre forum about 'rate my story!' and then got pissed when someone posted their synopsis without giving her story a high rating first.
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Just to add to the cynical vibe, why in the hell should we encourage anyone to write?
There are probably fewer writers who can make a living off their earnings in the US than there are professional baseball players. Advances for novels tend to be in the whopping four figure range (ooh!!!! That's going to let me quit my day job!) and still have a <1% acceptance rate. Short stories are also brutal. Enjoy those $0.05/word in markets that accept less than one out of every stories we receive!
I don't think that writing is a bad thing. I enjoy it as a hobby, and it's cheaper than costuming and less fattening than cooking. But...I'd hardly encourage anyone to do it as there's no reason to do it, near as I can tell, than that I enjoy doing it.
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You know what really horrifies me about this?
That these kids don't know how to use Google and read up a bit on copyright law.
Seriously: it's either stupidity or laziness, and both of those things irritate me.
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Yeah! And, honestly, I don't think some of these wussbags are kids. growl.
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I have a theory about this: they'd like to pretend they and their novel are important enough to attract the attention of lawyers.
Or they think it makes them sound like Serious Writers asking such things.
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You're right. And I shouldn't lend them any more false importance by paying attention to them. Thank you.
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Yeah, I saw in reference desk someone was asking - and I don't think they were trolling - if Americans would have been in France in WWII. *headdesk*
Yeah, there's this thing called D-Day....
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Ahem. As one of those copyright lawyers (and trademarks and other IP-related matters), I am constantly appalled at the misinformation regarding the copyright law, first amendment law, and just the law in general among the general population.
It's painful in the extreme to me.
I feel like it really IS my job to educate clients, not just tell them what to do. Someone once told me that clients you take the time to educate are the kind of clients who come back for more business later...and make referrals.
But I'm wondering what we're teaching in schools if we can't be bothered to teach any basic legal theory or knowledge. What's going on in civics/American history classes these days? What about home room classes where you're supposed to learn life skills like balancing checkbooks? Can't you find any kids with lawyer parents to come in and teach it for you if you don't know what you're talking about?
/rant
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I'm going to go out on a limb and rant for moment myself. It drives me nuts that there are so many people who are debating minutae. "What should my vampire character's name be?" or "I can't figure out what my chekov's gun should be."
Just freakin write for Christ's sake. Quit worrying so much and write. You may even *gasp* write something original, instead of writing the same story that every angsty teenage has been writing for the last ten years!
Ugh. Cliche frustrates me to no end.
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Some people need hand holding and affirmation. Some don't. The good news is that it is pretty easy to avoid if you don't.
I like the atmosphere here, and the encouragement I get just from knowing that there are other nujobs out there trying to do the same thing I'm doing. But I don't need everyone to reassure me about copyrights or affirm my character name choice. Pick a name, stick the legally questionable (even though it isn't) in there. You're not publishing. Your're writing. You can work all that crap out later.
And seriously? Google is my friend. I can't count the number of things I've googled, and I write fantasy. I couldn't imagine starting a thread about the various positions in a working castle for a lord (chamberlain, grooms, etc) when I can just look it up myself.
Here's a bit of Generational politics for ya. Generation X (us) tends to be a little independent by nature. We make a decision for us and go. Generation Y, because they've grown up with social networking and schoolwork that is so team-oriented, likes to make decisions by consensus.
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Good point! Also, I appreciate that you called them Gen Y. They like to be called Millennials. Really? Do you? Fascinating. And We'd like to be called Generation Sexy Pants, but that's not going to happen, despite the sexiness of our pants. So deal with it, Gen Y.
I actually appreciate the forums because I like to waste time in them and then, when they start to annoy, that's a reminder to me that I have a novel to write. Speaking of...
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I'm going to refer to myself as "Generation Sexypants" from here on out.
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"We are the Teens.
You will be Assimilated.
Resistance is Futile"
Lulz.
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This is particularly entertaining in the Information Age where a character's name can be changed with a two-key shortcut - Replace All.
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I agree, some people get it completely backwards. They get so hung up on the tiny details, that they can't even see the bigger picture of their own story, and aren't making progress to writing it. I feel like saying "Fred. Your vampire's name is Fred. Now get on with writing your story, or you will never get it written."
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I like NaNo, I like the camraderie, I cannot STAND the "OMG we're SOOOoooo wacky! Aren't we crazy for doing this?! OMG! SOOOOOooo crazy!" crap.
I went on a whole rant about NaNoers I hate in a blog post, in fact.
I like going to some write-ins. Generally, I'm an introvert. My batteries get recharged spending time alone or maybe with one or two good friends. Large groups enervate me at best and outright piss me off at worst. But some write-ins are good. There's a quiet community of us, just sitting there typing away, sipping coffee. Maybe every once in awhile, someone makes a quick comment and we chat for about three minutes, then it's back to work.
Then there are the write-ins that might as well be Tupperware parties, with drawings and stupid games and someone standing up and yelling "For the next 20 minutes, word sprint! Have a rabid wombat crash the scene you're writing right now!" OH, the hilarity! Yeah, shut the hell up before I ninja-throw my laptop at you. I'm trying to WRITE over here.
I think I'll start naming the Write-Ins I host like they're created by Zoolander. "Write-Ins for Writers Who Just Want to Write and Stuff", that's what they'll be called.
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Oh, I like you.
Just a quick aside, I went to a regional WI today and ended up throwing on my headphones while an annoyingly upbeat host made me sign-in, write my name on a name tag, and then suggest I go write in a cafe across the co-op we were using. Granted, it was a small space and there were a lot of people, but I drove a half-hour to sit by myself.
Fortunately, not a single fuck was given today, so I cranked out 2100 words and packed up my iPad and bounced while they were giving away vibrating pens and silly bands. I wanted to toss the ML's down the stairs. My regional WI's remind me of a high school glee club and it's really starting to piss me off.
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I haven't gone to any write-ins this year, but I went to a few last year and they weren't anything like that. It was more like a bunch of writers writing, occasionally sharing a few jokes or comments, with a word sprint or two for competition. I found it convivial and motivating, but not something I'd do all the time. I think I'll hit 'em up if (when?) my word count starts to flag,
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We had nametags at one meetup I went to, and apparently it was hilarious when one participant stuck them all over her chest. LOL BEWBS!!!!2!!!1!!!! Or something. The photos went up on FaceBook with equally intelligent comments. Frat house is a lovely description.
I'm sorry you were stuck by yourself and you made some effort to get there: small space is small space, but seriously, that's some shithouse planning right there. Then again, you got writing done, they probably didn't. Then again, you probably could have found a cafe that was closer to you.
I don't do the glee club thing, either... it's nice to hear that I'm not alone. (And: YES. This is not THAT crazy/weird/out there/whacky/zany/whatever else makes them sound like fun-loving special snowflake hipsters-- the freebee paper in my (major) city today had TWO letters to the editor from people doing NaNoWriMo. If a commercial rag aimed at the lowest common denominator is publishing stuff about NaNo, then it's not THAT unique and obscure.)
Does this some how make us NaNo Rebels?
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I think if you look at the word totals for a lot of the people barking about how much they love WI's you'll see that perhaps they are just desperately seeking social interaction rather than seriously wanting to write...just a thought.