I'm feeling really down at the moment & my writing is suffering for it. I missed out Sat - Mon because I didn't want to write a horrid bit. Wrote that on Tues. Did some yesterday. None today.
At the same time, I've been trying to organise some volunteering in a school before applying for teacher training. I'm not getting very far because the schools don't seem to be very interested, but I've spoken to the clearing house people & got some pointers. But the attitude from everyone else is that it's not worth doing anything about - apparently, schools don't like volunteers & don't encourage them. But that just doesn't make sense because it's a relatively new system that people applying for training have to have a recent school experience & the government wouldn't have brought the system in if there was no chance of achieving it because it would be a waste of time & resources. I feel like I'm being knocked back every time I try & yet teaching represents to me a salary more than I've ever earned before in a job that I can always fall back on with the type of people - children - that I enjoy working with.
I can't find any other jobs that I can apply for. Most of the jobs currently being advertised have some financial link & I can't work anywhere with a financial link any more because I got dismissed for having a debt-related CCJ. Which just sucks because my last 20 years experience has been in admin & often with a financial bent.
And to cap it all, no one - & I mean no one - is even the least bit interested in my writing. Every time I say anything about my novel outside of Nano, the whole attitude is that I'm just going through a phase & it doesn't mean anything & it's not a serious pursuit.
So I need to know - is the way I'm feeling triggered by Nano & everything else is getting on top of me or is it triggered by being unemployed & my efforts out of it & Nano is getting on top of me? Or am I just too sensitive? What do you think?
Sorry if I'm coming across as winey, but I really need a hug right now.
Second, it's not just you or over-sensitivity. Without getting into political discourse (which will devolve into arguments as always!) there are many reasons why things are rough all around for everyone, particularly on the employment front.
I personally have been unemployed nine years due to anxiety disorder. So I totally understand, having gone through every part of the unemployed lifestyle, seeking work/a career, wanting/needing a purpose, and having your desires be usurped by society- societal constructs, as I call them. I can't do my former career because the career- not the specific jobs- requires 7 days a week, 365 days a year, 10-24 hour days. I lost my 20s to working 100% of the time, and gained nothing from the experience (well, except ruined credit when an employer didn't pay me owed wages!) I've lost my 30's to unemployment.
I'm afraid I don't have a bright, happy or positive solution for you in terms of what you're going through... I myself am rather deep in a well of hopelessness at the moment. I think what I'd like to suggest is that you *must* take time for yourself each day, always, employed or not. In this particular instance, this month, if you're having fun (that's the key!) use your "you" time for writing your novel. And don't let yourself dwell on your other circumstances, responsibilities, or worries. That's the point of that "you" time. Because, you're going to have plenty of other time each day to focus on the rest of that stuff.
You *need* to give yourself a break from that stress, and the key is you'll only get that break if you let it all go, at least for a time, each day.
I hope this helps a bit! Hang in there, and best of luck to you in everything!
(P.S. Don't sweat the reaction from others regarding writing. It's a very difficult to achieve career/goal. People are always going to dismiss it. Hurdles are everywhere. But, walk into a bookstore. Is it not full of books? There are always going to be books written, and book sold. It's not a guarantee, but those other people who dismiss it so quickly aren't being "realistic"... they're just dismissing the concept of setting a high goal, because they themselves probably don't reach very high themselves.)
What you have said really speaks to me & strikes a cord & makes sense - you're right - I should put some time for myself every day & not worry about other people's reactions so much. And there are always books on the shelves! I have several of them, myself! lol!
I can't imagine what it must be like to be unemployed for nine years. That must be so hard for you. The longest I have ever been unemployed was for 11 months & that was 2 years ago & was hard enough. I will keep you in my thoughts.
Yeah, I don't recommend it (such a long time of "purposelessness") for anyone.
It's a long, insane story of much of what's wrong in the United States for anyone not blessed with perfect health and an abundance of money regardless of employment... particularly anyone in need of aid. Many people who have never struggled like this *assume* that there are safety nets and aid sources everywhere to catch and help everyone, so if it's not working out, it's all about *you* the person seeking help simply being lazy/picky. That's not reflective of reality- the aid programs are massively flawed, underfunded, or in many cases non-existent. And it's different on a state-by-state case, city-by-city.
I mean, there is a LONG list of things I can't do in a work environment due to anxiety disorder- and the list kills any options I've considered. But, to explain my above point, during my disability hearing (which took 7 years to process to that point), I had explained my inabilities- a few of which are an inability to work outdoors or dangerous jobs/using dangerous tools/equipment- and they had a career "expert" at the hearing. Afterwords, she provided the judge her opinion that I was not incapable of work, and that I could be........ *drum roll*....... a LUMBERJACK! O_o (Uh, don't lumberjacks work outdoors, using dangerous tools, doing a dangerous job? Let's ignore the fact there are NO lumberjacks in my city. =P)
Anyways, I've sold all my possessions of worth, cashed out my retirement long ago, and other than a death inheritance I had in 2008-2009, since 2002 I've had no income. I've thankfully had the support of family, living with one parent and receiving small, consistent aid from my other who's in another state. I've not received any aid- no government money, etc. until last year, when I was forced to go on food stamps. Those stamps pay for 1/2-3/4 of a month of food for two people.
Anyways, overall I've been lucky to have the help I have... I would have been homeless and out of luck years ago otherwise. My only concern now is the time I lost and continue to lose... I've missed out on having my own family and kids, and I'm about to flip to 40. I'm concerned the price I pay may be a life of living alone, which saddens me, as having my own kids was always the yardstick by which I judged *me* having a successful life.
All that said, I'm following the same advice I gave you- I can't stop thinking of these issues every minute of every day- BUT, IN November, when NaNo starts, I am fully able to finally set that stuff to the side and give me my ME time, which is why I love NaNo so much. It's like money- you have to spend money to make money. Well, you have to take time for yourself, to make the rest of your time more worthwhile and productive.
Ok then! I better get on to writing today. >_< I'm behind. (But not worried about catching up!)
I would recommend talking to your local school district. I work as a substitute teacher and most schools I know are always grateful for volunteers. There is always more work to be done than employees to do it and doing volunteer work would give you a chance to see if teaching is really the career that you want. You might also looking into becoming a 'teacher's assistant' 'paraeducator' or 'educational assistant' with your local school district - a paid version of the things you'd be doing as a volunteer. These titles all mean the same thing but different districts use different titles.
The local jobcentre said much the same thing, dutchbando, but I haven't done anything about it. I suppose I should. Somehow, it seems like the schools, themselves, should know whether volunteering is a viable option, but they've just been ignoring me. Might have more luck with one I contacted this morning, though - they seemed more helpful. If I can get the volunteering experience & then onto a training course, I will be employed by the training school for a year from September - that's what I'm hanging onto.
I think you have a lot on your plate and continually running into 'No' will bring everyone down. In the grand scheme of things, your employment situation might be the bigger drag, but this is also week two of NaNo where usually the slump sets in. So I would say, probably both. Kudos to you to still get those 20000 words in, regardless of the circumstances.
This is my first Nano, so I didn't know if it would be that, too. Somehow, I feel a bit comforted in some way. You've done well on your word count, too. :-)
On the topic of no one being interested in your writing: it's kind of hard to expect friends and family to bear that load, especially ones who aren't writers (or generally creative). There's a lot of pressure in that situation, and they likely don't want to be put in the position of either having to say they like your work or hurting your feelings. It's kind of lose-lose for everyone involved.
On the other hand, there's writing groups and classes literally everywhere. You need people who are in the same boat as you are: being a productive writer, and needing feedback on both your work and dealing with people who don't exactly get what you're doing. I've found that those two groups (the writing peers and the friends/family) don't overlap much. It just means that if there's a NaNo write-in or something similar in your area, you've got an opportunity to make some new friends that totally understand what you're going through.
I hadn't thought of it like that. You're right. Thank you. There is a write-in at a local library tomorrow & I had been thinking about going - maybe I will, after all. Thank you. :-)
I've found write-ins to be very supportive. Other writers understand second week slump etc. I did have one write-in that wasn't great--no one talked to me--but the other ones I've been to have been wonderful. Last years best write-in group turned into a once a week writing group for the rest of the year too. So it might be worth checking out. I hope it works out for you!
I just wanted to come back here and thank you all for your help at what was a very difficult time for me - it's much appreciated.
I wanted & meant to come back before & I'm sorry I didn't. Unfortunately, just after the above conversation, I was diagnosed with a condition that, whilst not yet terminal, is going to change my life & I had to take time out - about 8 days - from NaNo to deal with that. Then I had to play catch-up & was writing around 5K a day, which was eating into my time.
Anyway, the good news is that hopefully it's been caught in time & the changes I've made to how I eat & the medications I'm taking will prevent it from stepping up to the terminal bit. More good news is that the school which looked hopeful came through for me & I'm half-way through my first (of two) week of volunteering & loving it & will be applying for teacher training in a couple of weeks time, which I'm very excited about. :-D I also discovered, in the course of trying to reduce my outgoings, that I had a savings plan left over from divorce that I didn't know about (or had forgotten about) & cashed it in & have now paid off another of my creditors, which only leaves two left! :-D Oh yeah - & I won my first Nano. :-D
So, whilst there are still no jobs out there for me, things are on the up & I feel a whole lot more positive as a result. I'm pleased to see a lot of purple bars on here - well done, everyone! :-D
Hepatica, I went through unemployment hell. Creativity goes out the window when you're worrying about how you're going to live and who to pay with what little money you've got. And without supportive family and friends that's even harder. I'm sorry that you're going through this, and I hope things get better for you.
Depressed and demotivated: is it NaNo or unemployment?
I'm feeling really down at the moment & my writing is suffering for it. I missed out Sat - Mon because I didn't want to write a horrid bit. Wrote that on Tues. Did some yesterday. None today.
At the same time, I've been trying to organise some volunteering in a school before applying for teacher training. I'm not getting very far because the schools don't seem to be very interested, but I've spoken to the clearing house people & got some pointers. But the attitude from everyone else is that it's not worth doing anything about - apparently, schools don't like volunteers & don't encourage them. But that just doesn't make sense because it's a relatively new system that people applying for training have to have a recent school experience & the government wouldn't have brought the system in if there was no chance of achieving it because it would be a waste of time & resources. I feel like I'm being knocked back every time I try & yet teaching represents to me a salary more than I've ever earned before in a job that I can always fall back on with the type of people - children - that I enjoy working with.
I can't find any other jobs that I can apply for. Most of the jobs currently being advertised have some financial link & I can't work anywhere with a financial link any more because I got dismissed for having a debt-related CCJ. Which just sucks because my last 20 years experience has been in admin & often with a financial bent.
And to cap it all, no one - & I mean no one - is even the least bit interested in my writing. Every time I say anything about my novel outside of Nano, the whole attitude is that I'm just going through a phase & it doesn't mean anything & it's not a serious pursuit.
So I need to know - is the way I'm feeling triggered by Nano & everything else is getting on top of me or is it triggered by being unemployed & my efforts out of it & Nano is getting on top of me? Or am I just too sensitive? What do you think?
Sorry if I'm coming across as winey, but I really need a hug right now.
Re: Depressed and demotivated: is it NaNo or unemployment?
First of all, {hug}.
Second, it's not just you or over-sensitivity. Without getting into political discourse (which will devolve into arguments as always!) there are many reasons why things are rough all around for everyone, particularly on the employment front.
I personally have been unemployed nine years due to anxiety disorder. So I totally understand, having gone through every part of the unemployed lifestyle, seeking work/a career, wanting/needing a purpose, and having your desires be usurped by society- societal constructs, as I call them. I can't do my former career because the career- not the specific jobs- requires 7 days a week, 365 days a year, 10-24 hour days. I lost my 20s to working 100% of the time, and gained nothing from the experience (well, except ruined credit when an employer didn't pay me owed wages!) I've lost my 30's to unemployment.
I'm afraid I don't have a bright, happy or positive solution for you in terms of what you're going through... I myself am rather deep in a well of hopelessness at the moment. I think what I'd like to suggest is that you *must* take time for yourself each day, always, employed or not. In this particular instance, this month, if you're having fun (that's the key!) use your "you" time for writing your novel. And don't let yourself dwell on your other circumstances, responsibilities, or worries. That's the point of that "you" time. Because, you're going to have plenty of other time each day to focus on the rest of that stuff.
You *need* to give yourself a break from that stress, and the key is you'll only get that break if you let it all go, at least for a time, each day.
I hope this helps a bit! Hang in there, and best of luck to you in everything!
(P.S. Don't sweat the reaction from others regarding writing. It's a very difficult to achieve career/goal. People are always going to dismiss it. Hurdles are everywhere. But, walk into a bookstore. Is it not full of books? There are always going to be books written, and book sold. It's not a guarantee, but those other people who dismiss it so quickly aren't being "realistic"... they're just dismissing the concept of setting a high goal, because they themselves probably don't reach very high themselves.)
Re: Depressed and demotivated: is it NaNo or unemployment?
Thank you, Druidblue.
What you have said really speaks to me & strikes a cord & makes sense - you're right - I should put some time for myself every day & not worry about other people's reactions so much. And there are always books on the shelves! I have several of them, myself! lol!
I can't imagine what it must be like to be unemployed for nine years. That must be so hard for you. The longest I have ever been unemployed was for 11 months & that was 2 years ago & was hard enough. I will keep you in my thoughts.
Re: Depressed and demotivated: is it NaNo or unemployment?
Yeah, I don't recommend it (such a long time of "purposelessness") for anyone.
It's a long, insane story of much of what's wrong in the United States for anyone not blessed with perfect health and an abundance of money regardless of employment... particularly anyone in need of aid. Many people who have never struggled like this *assume* that there are safety nets and aid sources everywhere to catch and help everyone, so if it's not working out, it's all about *you* the person seeking help simply being lazy/picky. That's not reflective of reality- the aid programs are massively flawed, underfunded, or in many cases non-existent. And it's different on a state-by-state case, city-by-city.
I mean, there is a LONG list of things I can't do in a work environment due to anxiety disorder- and the list kills any options I've considered. But, to explain my above point, during my disability hearing (which took 7 years to process to that point), I had explained my inabilities- a few of which are an inability to work outdoors or dangerous jobs/using dangerous tools/equipment- and they had a career "expert" at the hearing. Afterwords, she provided the judge her opinion that I was not incapable of work, and that I could be........ *drum roll*....... a LUMBERJACK! O_o (Uh, don't lumberjacks work outdoors, using dangerous tools, doing a dangerous job? Let's ignore the fact there are NO lumberjacks in my city. =P)
Anyways, I've sold all my possessions of worth, cashed out my retirement long ago, and other than a death inheritance I had in 2008-2009, since 2002 I've had no income. I've thankfully had the support of family, living with one parent and receiving small, consistent aid from my other who's in another state. I've not received any aid- no government money, etc. until last year, when I was forced to go on food stamps. Those stamps pay for 1/2-3/4 of a month of food for two people.
Anyways, overall I've been lucky to have the help I have... I would have been homeless and out of luck years ago otherwise. My only concern now is the time I lost and continue to lose... I've missed out on having my own family and kids, and I'm about to flip to 40. I'm concerned the price I pay may be a life of living alone, which saddens me, as having my own kids was always the yardstick by which I judged *me* having a successful life.
All that said, I'm following the same advice I gave you- I can't stop thinking of these issues every minute of every day- BUT, IN November, when NaNo starts, I am fully able to finally set that stuff to the side and give me my ME time, which is why I love NaNo so much. It's like money- you have to spend money to make money. Well, you have to take time for yourself, to make the rest of your time more worthwhile and productive.
Ok then! I better get on to writing today. >_< I'm behind. (But not worried about catching up!)
Re: Depressed and demotivated: is it NaNo or unemployment?
I would recommend talking to your local school district. I work as a substitute teacher and most schools I know are always grateful for volunteers. There is always more work to be done than employees to do it and doing volunteer work would give you a chance to see if teaching is really the career that you want. You might also looking into becoming a 'teacher's assistant' 'paraeducator' or 'educational assistant' with your local school district - a paid version of the things you'd be doing as a volunteer. These titles all mean the same thing but different districts use different titles.
Re: Depressed and demotivated: is it NaNo or unemployment?
The local jobcentre said much the same thing, dutchbando, but I haven't done anything about it. I suppose I should. Somehow, it seems like the schools, themselves, should know whether volunteering is a viable option, but they've just been ignoring me. Might have more luck with one I contacted this morning, though - they seemed more helpful. If I can get the volunteering experience & then onto a training course, I will be employed by the training school for a year from September - that's what I'm hanging onto.
Re: Depressed and demotivated: is it NaNo or unemployment?
I think you have a lot on your plate and continually running into 'No' will bring everyone down. In the grand scheme of things, your employment situation might be the bigger drag, but this is also week two of NaNo where usually the slump sets in. So I would say, probably both. Kudos to you to still get those 20000 words in, regardless of the circumstances.
Best wishes,
Scratch
Re: Depressed and demotivated: is it NaNo or unemployment?
Thank you, Scratch.
This is my first Nano, so I didn't know if it would be that, too. Somehow, I feel a bit comforted in some way.
You've done well on your word count, too. :-)
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On the topic of no one being interested in your writing: it's kind of hard to expect friends and family to bear that load, especially ones who aren't writers (or generally creative). There's a lot of pressure in that situation, and they likely don't want to be put in the position of either having to say they like your work or hurting your feelings. It's kind of lose-lose for everyone involved.
On the other hand, there's writing groups and classes literally everywhere. You need people who are in the same boat as you are: being a productive writer, and needing feedback on both your work and dealing with people who don't exactly get what you're doing. I've found that those two groups (the writing peers and the friends/family) don't overlap much. It just means that if there's a NaNo write-in or something similar in your area, you've got an opportunity to make some new friends that totally understand what you're going through.
Good luck!
Re: Depressed and demotivated: is it NaNo or unemployment?
Hello Clayholio
I hadn't thought of it like that. You're right. Thank you.
There is a write-in at a local library tomorrow & I had been thinking about going - maybe I will, after all. Thank you. :-)
Re: Depressed and demotivated: is it NaNo or unemployment?
I hope the write-in goes well!
Re: Depressed and demotivated: is it NaNo or unemployment?
I've found write-ins to be very supportive. Other writers understand second week slump etc. I did have one write-in that wasn't great--no one talked to me--but the other ones I've been to have been wonderful. Last years best write-in group turned into a once a week writing group for the rest of the year too. So it might be worth checking out. I hope it works out for you!
Re: Depressed and demotivated: is it NaNo or unemployment?
Hi everyone
I just wanted to come back here and thank you all for your help at what was a very difficult time for me - it's much appreciated.
I wanted & meant to come back before & I'm sorry I didn't. Unfortunately, just after the above conversation, I was diagnosed with a condition that, whilst not yet terminal, is going to change my life & I had to take time out - about 8 days - from NaNo to deal with that. Then I had to play catch-up & was writing around 5K a day, which was eating into my time.
Anyway, the good news is that hopefully it's been caught in time & the changes I've made to how I eat & the medications I'm taking will prevent it from stepping up to the terminal bit. More good news is that the school which looked hopeful came through for me & I'm half-way through my first (of two) week of volunteering & loving it & will be applying for teacher training in a couple of weeks time, which I'm very excited about. :-D I also discovered, in the course of trying to reduce my outgoings, that I had a savings plan left over from divorce that I didn't know about (or had forgotten about) & cashed it in & have now paid off another of my creditors, which only leaves two left! :-D Oh yeah - & I won my first Nano. :-D
So, whilst there are still no jobs out there for me, things are on the up & I feel a whole lot more positive as a result. I'm pleased to see a lot of purple bars on here - well done, everyone! :-D
Re: Depressed and demotivated: is it NaNo or unemployment?
Hepatica, I went through unemployment hell. Creativity goes out the window when you're worrying about how you're going to live and who to pay with what little money you've got. And without supportive family and friends that's even harder. I'm sorry that you're going through this, and I hope things get better for you.
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Thank you. :-)
And WOW - you've written a lot! Was that all in one month? How did you do that?