Chick Lit is about self-empowerment geared toward a female reader. "The doorbell rang...she knew it was the cable man, but she didn't need him. She fixed her own damned cable box."
Romance is cheesecake with significant plot elements. "The doorbell rang...she was fully prepared to fix her own cable box, but she knew that Juan was at the door. There was something about the subtle trill in his accent that left her throat dry. She had to see him."
Erotica is text porn. "The doorbell rang. She opened the door and it was Juan, leering at her as he always does. 'I fixed my own cable box," she said, hoping that he didn't take a peek at her wide open robe. 'You can go bother someone else.' Juan stepped inside and said, 'Oh, I'm not here for THAT box.'"
Tangowolf wrote: Erotica is text porn. "The doorbell rang. She opened the door and it was Juan, leering at her as he always does. 'I fixed my own cable box," she said, hoping that he didn't take a peek at her wide open robe. 'You can go bother someone else.' Juan stepped inside and said, 'Oh, I'm not here for THAT box.'"
So where on earth does the line fall between Chick Lit and Romance? Because for whatever reason, I sort of hate to think of my novels as romance. Maybe because in my head, romance is more about the sex and mine is, hopefully, more about the characters, and chick lit, at least what I consider chick lit, is about strong female characters who sort of happen to have romance plots going on. I have no idea. Could someone help me out, please? *flails* :P
I wish we had the category of women's lit. Mine isn't exactly romance and seeing as it's not an urban setting and there's no shoes and no Nutella (I ate it), it falls outside the stricter chick-lit parameters.
I should have said it falls outside the strictest definitions for chick lit. Urban setting that sometimes seemed like a character was a huge defining part of early chick lit. Early chick-lit was fun, but I spent the whole time saying, "Oh, come on. She couldn't afford to buy even one pair of those shoes (or purse or coat or...) on a beginning editor's salary, especially if she had school loans." And why were so many of the heroines editors?
I have asked this question before... In ROMANCE, from what I understand, the endings are satisfying (girl gets guy) but in chick lit maybe she won't because she figures out she needs something else. And, in Chick Lit they'll have a steamy kiss, fall into bed and, cut to the next morning.
Well, my novel is chick lit but I am going to steam up the love scenes a bit, darn-it.
ROMANCE: “The books are about the celebration of falling in love and emotion and commitment, and all of those things we really want.”
As someone who reads and writes both romance and chick lit, and as someone who used to work in a bookstore I can tell you the following:
Chick lit is a story usually about a female and geared towards female readers. It will usually include a romantic plot line although I don't think it has to. But it usually will have some romance in some degree. It will NOT have a graphic sex scene in it.
Romance is a story that does (obviously) include a romantic plot line and it is a major part of the plot. This type of novel will have a detailed sex scene or two in it. Contrary to popular belief, these are NOT centered around the sex. These stories will often have a decent plot line that revolves around the romance. The sex scene(s) is just a part of it.
And just for extra info, an erotica is what you're thinking of when you think of something that's "just about the sex." Erotica is porn essentially. It will have a plot of some kind, but it's really all about the sex...very graphic sex scenes and a lot of them.
This information is based on my experience and my opinion. I really hope that I helped clear things up.
Thanks -- helpful. My 2011 nano effort has touches of Vinegar Hill by Ansay (also Oprah's Book Club), but doesn't get that weird. So ... does that mean my effort is Chick Lit or something else. Pamcan2
Oh good. Now I just have to figure out what counts as graphic...somehow I always end up with a sex scene, the writing advice of "when you're bored, write porn" is too easy for me, but my goal has always been to phase that out, you know, so the family can actually read one of my novels. So my goal is to keep my novel chick lit this year. Wish me luck. :D
I think it's definitely the way Lindsay explained it above.
I'm proud to call what I write Chick Lit -- it's not going to change anyone's life, but it's going to make them really happy for several hours. It's got the romance but it's also got some fun drama. And a happy ending.
Make it darker, and you're heading into the realm of "Women's Fiction."
I'm writing a detective- ish novel that has romance elements in it- (think Harlequin books) does that count as chick lit or romance? And yes, there will probably be a sex scene in it.
In my eyes, it depends. Is the mystery/detective part the main part of the plot or the romance? And if it's the detective part, it might actually be a mystery novel. Nora Roberts does a lot of romance with a mystery element where as Mary Higgins Clark writes mystery with romance elements. Make sense?
My interpretation of Chick Lit was that it was a novel written with female readers in mind, so will usually have a strong female lead and have plot elements that many women will relate to, but could be of any genre, or have elements of many. I think a lot of Chick Lit incorporates romance as romance/relationships are often a big part of a woman's life.
I'm wondering if mine should be here... it's the story of an woman entering her middle years that are introduced to a horse with been there, done that and I'm certainly not going there with you attitude. It will be their journey together.
I'm quoting from wikipedia, as it's an interesting topic:
"According to professor Suzanne Ferris, chick lit often features hip, stylish, career-driven[1] female protagonists, usually in their twenties and thirties. The women featured in these novels may be obsessed with appearance or have a passion for shopping, e.g. Carrie Bradshaw, the protagonist of Sex and the City.[1]
However, this has been disputed. In Publishers Weekly, Amy Sohn redefines the genre as being about women who can stand on their own two feet.[3] This same article refutes the previous stereotypes. Library Journal also states that ethnic chick lit counts in the definition, mommy lit, and other sub sub genres which don't include the 20-30-something protagonist who is worried about shopping, boys and sex.[4]
To define the genre in the most general way, chick lit features a female protagonist whose womanhood is heavily thematized in the plot. Though most often set in a contemporary world, such as in Waiting to Exhale, there is also historical chick lit. The issues dealt with are often more serious than consumerism. Marian Keyes's Watermelon, for instance, features a protagonist who wrestles with how to be a mother in a modern world, and there is a growing market for religious chick lit. As with other types of genre fiction, authors and publishers target many niche markets.[4] Protagonists vary widely in ethnicity, age, social status, marital status, career, and religion."
Other opinions (http://www.usatoday.com/life/books/news/2006-06-20-chick-lit_x.htm)
Jennifer Weiner, author of best sellers Good in Bed and In Her Shoes, finds the term dismissive and sexist.
"It's something that says chicky, fluffy, inconsequential, of no importance and no literary quality," she says. "But at the same time it doesn't bother readers, and I have to be mindful of that."
But Shopaholic series author Sophie Kinsella, who has more than 7 million copies of her six books in print, says she's not bothered by the label.
"To my mind, it means a fun, light book, often with humor, often featuring a contemporary heroine that women of today can relate to, often addressing an issue of today," she says. "I would probably prefer the term 'romantic comedy' or 'wit lit,' which I once saw in a bookstore. But I can't get too het-up about it. It hasn't done me any harm."
"To my mind, it means a fun, light book, often with humor, often featuring a contemporary heroine that women of today can relate to, often addressing an issue of today," she says. "I would probably prefer the term 'romantic comedy' or 'wit lit,' which I once saw in a bookstore. But I can't get too het-up about it. It hasn't done me any harm."
I always say I'm writing a romcom to people who ask what I'm working on at the moment.
Interesting to read the different thoughts on the term chicklit
I like Sophie Kinsella's take on it. "To my mind, it means a fun, light book, often with humor, often featuring a contemporary heroine that women of today can relate to, often addressing an issue of today," she says. "I would probably prefer the term 'romantic comedy' or 'wit lit,' which I once saw in a bookstore. But I can't get too het-up about it. It hasn't done me any harm."
I think my first manuscript is definitely Chick Lit. My contemporary heroine has romantic interests and encounters but she doesn't end up with the man in the end deciding he is a dead shit. My story is essentially a humorous account of a woman's journey of self-discovery. My 2011 manuscript however is definitely evolving into Romance, however, my contemporary heroine is strong and self sufficient and dealing with modern issues. She doesn't need the man she simply wants him and she gets him in the end. And I have romantic scenes but before they get too graphic, the bedroom door shuts. There is definitely humor in it - cheeky modern humor. But, I think I might have to be classified as Romance. I have classified it as Woman's Fiction upon advice (Chick Lit now considered passe apparently) but I now read that Woman's fiction is a bit darker than Romance and Chick Lit. I thought Woman's Fiction would cover it all.
Generalizations are dangerous, but I'll make some anyway...;-D
"Chick-lit" is generally fiction written by women, about women, and for women. Unlike straightforward romance novels, although there often is romance, it's not always the focus of the story. The story is often about relationships -- friendships, family, AND (sometimes) romance.
What makes this different from "women's fiction?" Mostly the tone -- there's often a snarky edge, some humor, even in the darkest stories.
And chick-lit *can* be dark. It's not all designer shoes and Cosmos. (In fact, only the earliest chick-lit had much of a focus on fashion and cocktails, a la SEX AND THE CITY.) There are some terrific novels labeled 'chick-lit' which deal with alcoholism, drug dependency, domestic violence, death, etc. etc.
p.s. BTW, as many of you probably know, the 'chick-lit' label has been overused and is now scorned by the industry that invented it (publishers, agents). But writers still write it and readers still love it! Only now it's called something like "women's fiction with a comedic edge.'
FYI, FWIW, here are the category descriptions for the Chick-Lit Writers of the World (RWA on-line chapter) annual contest -- the deadline has passed, but the descriptions might be helpful. And maybe you can enter the chick-lit novel you write for NaNo this year, in the CLW contest next year! :-D
Single Title (Contemporary, Contemporary Series): If your heroine, like Bridget Jones, reveals her innermost fears and unsightly blemishes on the way to self-acceptance, she’ll fit in with the classics of the genre. (Think: Too Good to Be True by Kristan Higgins, Easy on the Eyes by Jane Porter)
Women’s Fiction (Mainstream): Finding a dreamy man isn’t the only challenge women face. If your central plot revolves around another obstacle in your heroine’s life–with romance on the side–she’ll be at home in this category. (Think: Something Borrowed by Emily Giffin, Twenties Girl by Sophie Kinsella)
Note: Trying to figure out the difference between Single Title and Women’s Fiction (Mainstream)? Single Title entries are romance-focused and will usually have the happily-ever- after ending. Women’s Fiction is less about the romance and more about the journey through life.
Mystery/Suspense (Suspense, Mystery, Thriller): If your heroine’s primary goal is to solve a mystery, track the bad guy, or escape the villain, she belongs in this category. (Think: Living La Vida Lola by Misa Ramirez, Sex Murder and a Double Latte by Kyra Davis)
Paranormal (Paranormal, Fantasy, Time Travel): If you built another world as the background for your ghost-hunting, spell-casting, time-traveling heroine, your manuscript will fit into this category. (Think: Undead and Unwed by MaryJanice Davidson, Midnight at Casa Dracula by Marta Acosta)
Young Adult: It’s less about the boys; more about the poise. If your teen heroine is sassy, classy, and has wit to spare, she’ll fit in right here. (Think: Lifted by Wendy Toliver, Princess Diaries by Meg Cabot)
Thank you. Yours is the first to really speak to what my novel could be. I didn't set out to write "chick lit." I hadn't even heard the term, actually.
But I'm finding my novel centers around four women and their relationships with each other. There is a tiny element of romance, but it is very small, and will not necessarily end happily. It's also a light read with dark undertones. There are some very serious issues. It's not all about shoes and shopping.
That said, I hate to categorize it as chick lit, because in my mind that makes it sound like less of a book. At the same time, I have to be honest with myself. I'm writing women because I write what I know. I also feel there are enough books out there about men. Still, I'm toying with the idea of making mine into a screenplay at some point, and when I do, it will end up seen as a "chick movie" whether I'd like it to or not.
It's starting to read like Nora Ephron meets Francesca Lia Block. But more on the Nora Ephron side. Still, I have to admit, I love Nora Ephron -- her books, articles she wrote, and her films. So it's no wonder that influence is working its way into my book, no matter how unintentional.
I'm not really sure whether my story belongs here, either.
First of all, it is the same story with the same settings and secondary characters told in two different verses, in one the MC is female in the other one the MC is male. As the story progresses, I want to find out, how that one difference is gonna change everything else. Both verses have a strong and confident female lead and there'll be sides of comedy and romance. Everything else isn't planned or outlined, I'm just gonna see what happens on Nov 1st...
Does the story really center around the FMC? If so, then I say start out in Chick-lit and then see where it goes. If you have to change it at the end, so be it! :)
I wonder if my novel is Chick lit... The main character is a girl. There's no serious relationships/romance going on in the novel because that is not the theme. The story is about a girl and her father. They travel a lot, move to a serious amount of houses, and never stay in a place for too long. They're both very eccentric and funny in a way because they see the world/situations very differently. I don't think it will be a comedy, because there's some issues that the girl (Halley) will have to deal with, for example.. not being able to have friends because she never stays in a place for too long, her obsession with an art project, and knowing that her mother walked away on her when she was a child. However, I'm going to write the story as light-hearted as possible. For the time being I put it in the adventure category because of all the travelling, and the crazy things that happen. Let me know if the novel sounds like chick lit to you :)
If it focuses mainly on her story - how she develops, her personal struggles, etc. etc. and the travel piece is just a vehicle to help her grow and question her life, than I would say it's more chick lit.
If it focuses mainly on her and her father's travels specifically as opposed to her personal journey, then I guess adventure? I'm not sure what category you would put that in. Depends on how crazy the travels are :)
The other thing I would keep in mind is if you are writing your novel for a female audience, it's probably more chick lit. If you're hoping to reach a broader/more general audience, than it might be something else.
I think it'll focus on her story, personal struggles, all that :) I usually write novels that are geared towards a broader audience, even if the main character is a girl, but I think this will be more for a female audience (even though I wish I could write it the way I do my other stories). Whoa! I guess I'm writing a chick lit novel this year!! Thanks for the help :D
Wow, I think I want to read this. There was a memoir out a few years ago by a guy who grew up like this, traveling around with his father and basically living out of a suitcase until he was 8 or 9 years old, thinking that was the way everybody lived. Wish I could remember the name of it.
As for what to classify it as, I would put it more in Women's Fiction than Chick Lit, but a lot depends on where you take your main character and whether she is an adult reflecting on that childhood or the child actually living it through most of the book.
I have translated heaps of chick lit novels and I have to say that humour and wit is essential - if it isn't funny and if the MC can't see her own faults and bad choices, it's not chick lit. You can tell serious stories and have serious themes in a chick lit book, but your heroine must have a sense of humour in her observations of herself as well as others. In some books the humour and sit com takes over and it becomes a laugh-out-loud novel, in others the dark and serious themes are still there at the forefront. Wit lit is a good alternate name for it.
what would you say is an acceptable love sceane in a chick lit? Sometimes I can let myself get carried away.Dont want anything to hot or heavy, but do want the charecters to come together this way, but dont want to be head way from chick lit towards romance.
Typically I don't see anything detailed in a chick lit novel. Usually what I might see are a few words/sentences/paragraphs alluding to what happens, but the writer doesn't actually write it all out. Make sense?
Going off of that, there's the "fade to black" kind of mentality. Show them making out, maybe a shirt is discarded, they stumble into the bedroom and she shuts the door. Next morning she reminisces about how freaking awesome it was. Or wasn't if you want to do something less predictable.
The Red Dress Ink published novels generally had a few slightly racier scenes in them, I noticed. I'd say if you kept things more of Pg-13, low R-rating, it would be okay. That being said, unless it's Harlequin inspired pages and pages of graphic and explicit detail.. I'd personally still consider it to be chick lit appropriate.
I feel that I am leaning toward a chick lit type novel, but there's also a murder (at least one) to be solved. Should I count myself in the chick lit section or mystery/thriller/suspense. When I signed up, I did put myself in mystery section. (There is the word "mystery" in my title. Also, I know agents don't want anything called chick lit anymore even though there's a huge market out there still reading that genre), so the question remains, where shall I put myself? What is my genre?
Just out of curiosity, what would you all say are the primary differences between chick-lit/wit-lit and a full-out comedy? The book I'm plotting out for next month does have a primary romantic through-line and will probably have a couple sex scenes, but my intention is to really focus more on a "comedy of errors" kind setting, where we're rooting for the male and female leads to get together, but there's all this insanity around them.
I plan to keep this book classified as Chick-Lit for the duration of Nanowrimo... I guess I'm just curious as to what point a story stops being one genre and becomes another.
I think it depends on the point of view/who the MC is. It's kind of like, "What's the difference between romantic comedy and comedy?" If it is written more from a female perspective and it's intended for a female audience, I'd say it's more chick lit. If it focuses on both the male and female perspective and is intended for a general audience, I'd say it's more comedy.
My MC (Sarah) is 17. Here's the synopsis: -When Sarah and her mother realize they're both getting a little older, they decide to brighten their lives with a new, young, face. They adopt a young girl named Emily. But with Sarah's mom working 13 hour days, Sarah is left to pick up the slack around the house-- including raising Emily. Tensions rise, and Sarah is kicked out, forced to take her new sister with her. Having a sister sounded fun, but having a daughter is way more than Sarah asked for. Now she has to look to her friends, as well as a few people she never expected to associate with, for guidance and support. But even with their help, can Sarah raise a little girl on her own?- Chick Lit?
I think that sounds like chick lit - more of the "self-discovery" kind (which is what mine is like) as opposed to the "make you laugh until you pee your pants kind" but there's nothing wrong with that :)
However, I would be a little cautious with how you proceed - it's actually really difficult to adopt, and I don't know if a court would grant custody to a (I'm assuming single?) mother who works 13 hour days. Social workers come to your house, you have prove your financially stable - there's a lot that goes into it. And there's usually a trial period (I don't know how long they last, it probably varies by state) where if something goes wrong in the home (like you're describing) the state would swoop in and take that child back. Just a few things to think about!
I'm well aware of these holes, and I've fixed a few. I've been through the adoption process before, or my mom has. She was working about that much, might have been 11 or 12 hours.Maybe 10? Anyways. I've thought about the trial period, and the fact that they will come snatch the kid if something goes wrong, and adjusted the actual plot line and backstory accordingly (which significantly lengthened the story, hooray for word count), but you have just now brought it to my attention that the synopsis no longer fits... I'm sorta tweaking out trying to get organized, so I've fallen into a "copy, paste, don't bother reading" rut. I'm definitely going to have to go through all of this with a fine-toothed comb. Thank you for the words of wisdom though! Much appreciated!
Awesome! :) You could just bash it out in November and then go back and edit the more technical stuff too. I've never done NaNo before, but everyone I've talked to seems to have the "eh, I can fix that later" mentality.
Is my novel Chick Lit? What IS Chick Lit, anyway?
Want to know if what you're writing is Chick Lit? Want to know what the heck Chick Lit IS? Ask away, and I'm sure someone will have an answer!
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Okay, so let me sure that I follow:
Chick Lit is about self-empowerment geared toward a female reader.
"The doorbell rang...she knew it was the cable man, but she didn't need him. She fixed her own damned cable box."
Romance is cheesecake with significant plot elements.
"The doorbell rang...she was fully prepared to fix her own cable box, but she knew that Juan was at the door. There was something about the subtle trill in his accent that left her throat dry. She had to see him."
Erotica is text porn.
"The doorbell rang. She opened the door and it was Juan, leering at her as he always does. 'I fixed my own cable box," she said, hoping that he didn't take a peek at her wide open robe. 'You can go bother someone else.' Juan stepped inside and said, 'Oh, I'm not here for THAT box.'"
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Hmm. I sort of disagree very much with the idea that erotica is text porn.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAA!! <3
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So where on earth does the line fall between Chick Lit and Romance? Because for whatever reason, I sort of hate to think of my novels as romance. Maybe because in my head, romance is more about the sex and mine is, hopefully, more about the characters, and chick lit, at least what I consider chick lit, is about strong female characters who sort of happen to have romance plots going on. I have no idea. Could someone help me out, please? *flails* :P
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I'm the same as you. I refuse to say that my genre is romance for the same reasons as you, but I don't really think mine's Chick Lit either.
My plot is basically revolving around my MCs' romance, but I don't want to say it's a romance.
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I wish we had the category of women's lit. Mine isn't exactly romance and seeing as it's not an urban setting and there's no shoes and no Nutella (I ate it), it falls outside the stricter chick-lit parameters.
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I should have said it falls outside the strictest definitions for chick lit. Urban setting that sometimes seemed like a character was a huge defining part of early chick lit. Early chick-lit was fun, but I spent the whole time saying, "Oh, come on. She couldn't afford to buy even one pair of those shoes (or purse or coat or...) on a beginning editor's salary, especially if she had school loans." And why were so many of the heroines editors?
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I have asked this question before... In ROMANCE, from what I understand, the endings are satisfying (girl gets guy) but in chick lit maybe she won't because she figures out she needs something else. And, in Chick Lit they'll have a steamy kiss, fall into bed and, cut to the next morning.
Well, my novel is chick lit but I am going to steam up the love scenes a bit, darn-it.
ROMANCE:
“The books are about the celebration of falling in love and emotion and commitment, and all of those things we really want.”
Nora Roberts, best-selling romance author.
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Seeing as how that quote from Nora Roberts makes me feel queasy, I am pretty sure that my NaNovel really is Chick Lit, and not Romance. :)
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As someone who reads and writes both romance and chick lit, and as someone who used to work in a bookstore I can tell you the following:
Chick lit is a story usually about a female and geared towards female readers. It will usually include a romantic plot line although I don't think it has to. But it usually will have some romance in some degree. It will NOT have a graphic sex scene in it.
Romance is a story that does (obviously) include a romantic plot line and it is a major part of the plot. This type of novel will have a detailed sex scene or two in it. Contrary to popular belief, these are NOT centered around the sex. These stories will often have a decent plot line that revolves around the romance. The sex scene(s) is just a part of it.
And just for extra info, an erotica is what you're thinking of when you think of something that's "just about the sex." Erotica is porn essentially. It will have a plot of some kind, but it's really all about the sex...very graphic sex scenes and a lot of them.
This information is based on my experience and my opinion. I really hope that I helped clear things up.
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Thanks, Lindsay. This was really helpful.
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Thanks -- helpful. My 2011 nano effort has touches of Vinegar Hill by Ansay (also Oprah's Book Club), but doesn't get that weird. So ... does that mean my effort is Chick Lit or something else.
Pamcan2
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Oh good. Now I just have to figure out what counts as graphic...somehow I always end up with a sex scene, the writing advice of "when you're bored, write porn" is too easy for me, but my goal has always been to phase that out, you know, so the family can actually read one of my novels. So my goal is to keep my novel chick lit this year. Wish me luck. :D
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Well, if you need word count, you could always write the sex scene and then edit it out in the cutting process. :)
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That's what I do!
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I think it's definitely the way Lindsay explained it above.
I'm proud to call what I write Chick Lit -- it's not going to change anyone's life, but it's going to make them really happy for several hours. It's got the romance but it's also got some fun drama. And a happy ending.
Make it darker, and you're heading into the realm of "Women's Fiction."
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Would a story about a woman's self-discovery be consider chick lit, even if the potential "romance" is entirely one-sided and with a dead man?
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Where's the "like" button??? :)
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It seems like it doesn't matter what I'm writing, there's gonna be some creepy element in it. XD
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I'm writing a detective- ish novel that has romance elements in it- (think Harlequin books) does that count as chick lit or romance? And yes, there will probably be a sex scene in it.
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In my eyes, it depends. Is the mystery/detective part the main part of the plot or the romance? And if it's the detective part, it might actually be a mystery novel. Nora Roberts does a lot of romance with a mystery element where as Mary Higgins Clark writes mystery with romance elements. Make sense?
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Yes, that makes sense. It's kind of 50/50 actually, I think of it more in a Nora Roberts-y way than Mary Higgings Clark.
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My interpretation of Chick Lit was that it was a novel written with female readers in mind, so will usually have a strong female lead and have plot elements that many women will relate to, but could be of any genre, or have elements of many. I think a lot of Chick Lit incorporates romance as romance/relationships are often a big part of a woman's life.
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I agree with this!
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Yeah that's what I was wondering, everyone is so nice helping us figure this out!
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This is how I've always thought of it too. And PS, your baby is so cute I think I just squealed.
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I'm wondering if mine should be here... it's the story of an woman entering her middle years that are introduced to a horse with been there, done that and I'm certainly not going there with you attitude. It will be their journey together.
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Could it be hen lit? Like Chick Lit, there's usually humor, only the characters are older. Wiser is optional.
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Can a chicklit be a fantasy as well?
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I definitely think that chick lit can cross genres. :D So I'd say yes.
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I think so! Although if you were to publish it might do better in a scifi/fantasy classification.
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I'm quoting from wikipedia, as it's an interesting topic:
"According to professor Suzanne Ferris, chick lit often features hip, stylish, career-driven[1] female protagonists, usually in their twenties and thirties. The women featured in these novels may be obsessed with appearance or have a passion for shopping, e.g. Carrie Bradshaw, the protagonist of Sex and the City.[1]
However, this has been disputed. In Publishers Weekly, Amy Sohn redefines the genre as being about women who can stand on their own two feet.[3] This same article refutes the previous stereotypes. Library Journal also states that ethnic chick lit counts in the definition, mommy lit, and other sub sub genres which don't include the 20-30-something protagonist who is worried about shopping, boys and sex.[4]
To define the genre in the most general way, chick lit features a female protagonist whose womanhood is heavily thematized in the plot. Though most often set in a contemporary world, such as in Waiting to Exhale, there is also historical chick lit. The issues dealt with are often more serious than consumerism. Marian Keyes's Watermelon, for instance, features a protagonist who wrestles with how to be a mother in a modern world, and there is a growing market for religious chick lit. As with other types of genre fiction, authors and publishers target many niche markets.[4] Protagonists vary widely in ethnicity, age, social status, marital status, career, and religion."
Other opinions (http://www.usatoday.com/life/books/news/2006-06-20-chick-lit_x.htm)
Jennifer Weiner, author of best sellers Good in Bed and In Her Shoes, finds the term dismissive and sexist.
"It's something that says chicky, fluffy, inconsequential, of no importance and no literary quality," she says. "But at the same time it doesn't bother readers, and I have to be mindful of that."
But Shopaholic series author Sophie Kinsella, who has more than 7 million copies of her six books in print, says she's not bothered by the label.
"To my mind, it means a fun, light book, often with humor, often featuring a contemporary heroine that women of today can relate to, often addressing an issue of today," she says. "I would probably prefer the term 'romantic comedy' or 'wit lit,' which I once saw in a bookstore. But I can't get too het-up about it. It hasn't done me any harm."
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I always say I'm writing a romcom to people who ask what I'm working on at the moment.
Interesting to read the different thoughts on the term chicklit
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I like Sophie Kinsella's take on it.
"To my mind, it means a fun, light book, often with humor, often featuring a contemporary heroine that women of today can relate to, often addressing an issue of today," she says. "I would probably prefer the term 'romantic comedy' or 'wit lit,' which I once saw in a bookstore. But I can't get too het-up about it. It hasn't done me any harm."
I think my first manuscript is definitely Chick Lit. My contemporary heroine has romantic interests and encounters but she doesn't end up with the man in the end deciding he is a dead shit. My story is essentially a humorous account of a woman's journey of self-discovery. My 2011 manuscript however is definitely evolving into Romance, however, my contemporary heroine is strong and self sufficient and dealing with modern issues. She doesn't need the man she simply wants him and she gets him in the end. And I have romantic scenes but before they get too graphic, the bedroom door shuts. There is definitely humor in it - cheeky modern humor. But, I think I might have to be classified as Romance. I have classified it as Woman's Fiction upon advice (Chick Lit now considered passe apparently) but I now read that Woman's fiction is a bit darker than Romance and Chick Lit. I thought Woman's Fiction would cover it all.
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Generalizations are dangerous, but I'll make some anyway...;-D
"Chick-lit" is generally fiction written by women, about women, and for women.
Unlike straightforward romance novels, although there often is romance, it's not always the focus of the story. The story is often about relationships -- friendships, family, AND (sometimes) romance.
What makes this different from "women's fiction?" Mostly the tone -- there's often a snarky edge, some humor, even in the darkest stories.
And chick-lit *can* be dark. It's not all designer shoes and Cosmos. (In fact, only the earliest chick-lit had much of a focus on fashion and cocktails, a la SEX AND THE CITY.) There are some terrific novels labeled 'chick-lit' which deal with alcoholism, drug dependency, domestic violence, death, etc. etc.
Here's a good run-down, from several years ago:
http://www.libraryjournal.com/article/CA623004.html
DMac
p.s. BTW, as many of you probably know, the 'chick-lit' label has been overused and is now scorned by the industry that invented it (publishers, agents). But writers still write it and readers still love it! Only now it's called something like "women's fiction with a comedic edge.'
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FYI, FWIW, here are the category descriptions for the Chick-Lit Writers of the World (RWA on-line chapter) annual contest -- the deadline has passed, but the descriptions might be helpful.
And maybe you can enter the chick-lit novel you write for NaNo this year, in the CLW contest next year! :-D
http://chicklitwriters.com/stilettocontest/
CATEGORY DESCRIPTIONS
Single Title (Contemporary, Contemporary Series): If your heroine, like Bridget Jones, reveals her innermost fears and unsightly blemishes on the way to self-acceptance, she’ll fit in with the classics of the genre. (Think: Too Good to Be True by Kristan Higgins, Easy on the Eyes by Jane Porter)
Women’s Fiction (Mainstream): Finding a dreamy man isn’t the only challenge women face. If your central plot revolves around another obstacle in your heroine’s life–with romance on the side–she’ll be at home in this category. (Think: Something Borrowed by Emily Giffin, Twenties Girl by Sophie Kinsella)
Note: Trying to figure out the difference between Single Title and Women’s Fiction (Mainstream)? Single Title entries are romance-focused and will usually have the happily-ever- after ending. Women’s Fiction is less about the romance and more about the journey through life.
Mystery/Suspense (Suspense, Mystery, Thriller): If your heroine’s primary goal is to solve a mystery, track the bad guy, or escape the villain, she belongs in this category. (Think: Living La Vida Lola by Misa Ramirez, Sex Murder and a Double Latte by Kyra Davis)
Paranormal (Paranormal, Fantasy, Time Travel): If you built another world as the background for your ghost-hunting, spell-casting, time-traveling heroine, your manuscript will fit into this category. (Think: Undead and Unwed by MaryJanice Davidson, Midnight at Casa Dracula by Marta Acosta)
Young Adult: It’s less about the boys; more about the poise. If your teen heroine is sassy, classy, and has wit to spare, she’ll fit in right here. (Think: Lifted by Wendy Toliver, Princess Diaries by Meg Cabot)
DMac
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Thank you. Yours is the first to really speak to what my novel could be. I didn't set out to write "chick lit." I hadn't even heard the term, actually.
But I'm finding my novel centers around four women and their relationships with each other. There is a tiny element of romance, but it is very small, and will not necessarily end happily. It's also a light read with dark undertones. There are some very serious issues. It's not all about shoes and shopping.
That said, I hate to categorize it as chick lit, because in my mind that makes it sound like less of a book. At the same time, I have to be honest with myself. I'm writing women because I write what I know. I also feel there are enough books out there about men. Still, I'm toying with the idea of making mine into a screenplay at some point, and when I do, it will end up seen as a "chick movie" whether I'd like it to or not.
It's starting to read like Nora Ephron meets Francesca Lia Block. But more on the Nora Ephron side. Still, I have to admit, I love Nora Ephron -- her books, articles she wrote, and her films. So it's no wonder that influence is working its way into my book, no matter how unintentional.
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I'm not really sure whether my story belongs here, either.
First of all, it is the same story with the same settings and secondary characters told in two different verses, in one the MC is female in the other one the MC is male. As the story progresses, I want to find out, how that one difference is gonna change everything else. Both verses have a strong and confident female lead and there'll be sides of comedy and romance. Everything else isn't planned or outlined, I'm just gonna see what happens on Nov 1st...
So, what category would you guys put that in?
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Does the story really center around the FMC? If so, then I say start out in Chick-lit and then see where it goes. If you have to change it at the end, so be it! :)
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Agreed. Just start out here and if your story goes somewhere else then oh well! I'm sure you can get support here either way :)
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I wonder if my novel is Chick lit...
The main character is a girl. There's no serious relationships/romance going on in the novel because that is not the theme. The story is about a girl and her father. They travel a lot, move to a serious amount of houses, and never stay in a place for too long. They're both very eccentric and funny in a way because they see the world/situations very differently. I don't think it will be a comedy, because there's some issues that the girl (Halley) will have to deal with, for example.. not being able to have friends because she never stays in a place for too long, her obsession with an art project, and knowing that her mother walked away on her when she was a child. However, I'm going to write the story as light-hearted as possible.
For the time being I put it in the adventure category because of all the travelling, and the crazy things that happen.
Let me know if the novel sounds like chick lit to you :)
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If it focuses mainly on her story - how she develops, her personal struggles, etc. etc. and the travel piece is just a vehicle to help her grow and question her life, than I would say it's more chick lit.
If it focuses mainly on her and her father's travels specifically as opposed to her personal journey, then I guess adventure? I'm not sure what category you would put that in. Depends on how crazy the travels are :)
The other thing I would keep in mind is if you are writing your novel for a female audience, it's probably more chick lit. If you're hoping to reach a broader/more general audience, than it might be something else.
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I think it'll focus on her story, personal struggles, all that :)
I usually write novels that are geared towards a broader audience, even if the main character is a girl, but I think this will be more for a female audience (even though I wish I could write it the way I do my other stories).
Whoa! I guess I'm writing a chick lit novel this year!!
Thanks for the help :D
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Would this be a story a teen would read? Sounds like it could be YA if you keep it fairly clean.
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Wow, I think I want to read this. There was a memoir out a few years ago by a guy who grew up like this, traveling around with his father and basically living out of a suitcase until he was 8 or 9 years old, thinking that was the way everybody lived. Wish I could remember the name of it.
As for what to classify it as, I would put it more in Women's Fiction than Chick Lit, but a lot depends on where you take your main character and whether she is an adult reflecting on that childhood or the child actually living it through most of the book.
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I have translated heaps of chick lit novels and I have to say that humour and wit is essential - if it isn't funny and if the MC can't see her own faults and bad choices, it's not chick lit. You can tell serious stories and have serious themes in a chick lit book, but your heroine must have a sense of humour in her observations of herself as well as others. In some books the humour and sit com takes over and it becomes a laugh-out-loud novel, in others the dark and serious themes are still there at the forefront. Wit lit is a good alternate name for it.
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Very true! the tone is essential in chick-lit -- humorous, self-deprecating, snarky...
And I LOVE "wit-lit" LOL! what a great name for an often-derided genre label!!! :-D
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what would you say is an acceptable love sceane in a chick lit? Sometimes I can let myself get carried away.Dont want anything to hot or heavy, but do want the charecters to come together this way, but dont want to be head way from chick lit towards romance.
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Typically I don't see anything detailed in a chick lit novel. Usually what I might see are a few words/sentences/paragraphs alluding to what happens, but the writer doesn't actually write it all out. Make sense?
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Going off of that, there's the "fade to black" kind of mentality. Show them making out, maybe a shirt is discarded, they stumble into the bedroom and she shuts the door. Next morning she reminisces about how freaking awesome it was. Or wasn't if you want to do something less predictable.
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Exactly the thought I was going for. Thanks! :)
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The Red Dress Ink published novels generally had a few slightly racier scenes in them, I noticed. I'd say if you kept things more of Pg-13, low R-rating, it would be okay. That being said, unless it's Harlequin inspired pages and pages of graphic and explicit detail.. I'd personally still consider it to be chick lit appropriate.
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thanks guys! very helpful! xx
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I feel that I am leaning toward a chick lit type novel, but there's also a murder (at least one) to be solved. Should I count myself in the chick lit section or mystery/thriller/suspense. When I signed up, I did put myself in mystery section. (There is the word "mystery" in my title. Also, I know agents don't want anything called chick lit anymore even though there's a huge market out there still reading that genre), so the question remains, where shall I put myself? What is my genre?
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Put it where you want to for the time being. When the novel is done, THEN you can decide what it has actually become. :)
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Goodnight, Nobody by Jennifer Weiner is a chick lit (to me, anyway)/murder mystery hybrid, so you do have company!
I prefer the term "women's fiction" instead of "chick lit" myself. :)
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Just out of curiosity, what would you all say are the primary differences between chick-lit/wit-lit and a full-out comedy? The book I'm plotting out for next month does have a primary romantic through-line and will probably have a couple sex scenes, but my intention is to really focus more on a "comedy of errors" kind setting, where we're rooting for the male and female leads to get together, but there's all this insanity around them.
I plan to keep this book classified as Chick-Lit for the duration of Nanowrimo... I guess I'm just curious as to what point a story stops being one genre and becomes another.
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I think it depends on the point of view/who the MC is. It's kind of like, "What's the difference between romantic comedy and comedy?" If it is written more from a female perspective and it's intended for a female audience, I'd say it's more chick lit. If it focuses on both the male and female perspective and is intended for a general audience, I'd say it's more comedy.
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My MC (Sarah) is 17. Here's the synopsis:
-When Sarah and her mother realize they're both getting a little older, they decide to brighten their lives with a new, young, face. They adopt a young girl named Emily. But with Sarah's mom working 13 hour days, Sarah is left to pick up the slack around the house-- including raising Emily. Tensions rise, and Sarah is kicked out, forced to take her new sister with her. Having a sister sounded fun, but having a daughter is way more than Sarah asked for. Now she has to look to her friends, as well as a few people she never expected to associate with, for guidance and support. But even with their help, can Sarah raise a little girl on her own?-
Chick Lit?
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I think that sounds like chick lit - more of the "self-discovery" kind (which is what mine is like) as opposed to the "make you laugh until you pee your pants kind" but there's nothing wrong with that :)
However, I would be a little cautious with how you proceed - it's actually really difficult to adopt, and I don't know if a court would grant custody to a (I'm assuming single?) mother who works 13 hour days. Social workers come to your house, you have prove your financially stable - there's a lot that goes into it. And there's usually a trial period (I don't know how long they last, it probably varies by state) where if something goes wrong in the home (like you're describing) the state would swoop in and take that child back. Just a few things to think about!
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I'm well aware of these holes, and I've fixed a few. I've been through the adoption process before, or my mom has. She was working about that much, might have been 11 or 12 hours.Maybe 10? Anyways. I've thought about the trial period, and the fact that they will come snatch the kid if something goes wrong, and adjusted the actual plot line and backstory accordingly (which significantly lengthened the story, hooray for word count), but you have just now brought it to my attention that the synopsis no longer fits... I'm sorta tweaking out trying to get organized, so I've fallen into a "copy, paste, don't bother reading" rut. I'm definitely going to have to go through all of this with a fine-toothed comb. Thank you for the words of wisdom though! Much appreciated!
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Awesome! :) You could just bash it out in November and then go back and edit the more technical stuff too. I've never done NaNo before, but everyone I've talked to seems to have the "eh, I can fix that later" mentality.