One of my characters gets married and I'm considering whether to add her first experience of sex after her wedding night. I've been told there's pain (duh!) but I don't know how to accurately describe it (tearing? bone splitting?). She has a conversation with her mother about what to expect. Her mother has been with a few men in her long life so knows the tricks of the trade so to speak.
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The 'pain' would come from the tearing of the hymen, which may have already happened with tampon use or sports or may not happen the first time, depending on their respective sizes and the amount of foreplay. My first time didn't hurt, but the third time (when my hymen broke) hurt a little bit, quickly, like smacking your elbow on a doorframe and I was sore afterwards (but not horribly).
It kind of depends on the circumstances. it's a bit sore on initial penetration but as long as there has been enough foreplay and she's not too stressed about it being her first time she should get into it pretty quickly. If the person she's having sex with is experienced then they would probably/ hopefully know how to get her in the mood and get her juices flowing (for want of a better phrase). if not then she might be a bit dry and it could be quite uncomfortable. If it's a romance story, you want her to be ready and for it to be relatively pain free.
The pain type depends on whether her hymen is intact or not. If so, it would be quite a sharp pain that recedes quite quickly. It depends on the era of your book - if it's a sort of regency type story, then her hymen would probably be intact but not necessarily nowadays as the hymen can tear through riding a bike or horseriding or gymnastics. I would say the pain would be more tearing. Definitely not bone splitting or no one would ever do it again.
Don't just go on what I say. Every woman is different and everyone's experience of the first time is different. You will probably get about 20 answers to this and 21 different opinions as to how painful and what kind of pain it is. it's kind of like asking what does period pain feel like.
Has the girl had any sexual experiences before her wedding night? If she has, the experience might not be so foreign to her and may not be as painful.
If the girl has never even touched a man before (or been touched), then I think her experience will be one of shock, embarassment and possibly more pain than in the first scenario.
I wouldn't call the experience "bone splitting" though...unless we are talking about rape, the imagery of bone splitting makes me shudder, not at all what I'd want to read about when a woman is with a man for the first time on their wedding night.
Agreed that unless it is rape (in which case it would be really painful), in most consensual cases there is perhaps uncertainty, nervousness and a bit of discomfort - but pain? I think in our society today the whole hyman thing is hardly relevant! Very few girls have to experience the whole concept of "ripping" (at least in my life, conversations with friends, personal etc,). More a case of feeling uncomfortably stuffed (sounds crass but true). Proper foreplay should make everything smooth and fairly easy!
My first time didn't hurt per say...not pain wise. It was uncomfortable and really unsent really. It was also very awkward...to be fair I don't think either of us knew what we were doing...
I did have a bladder infection the next something I was told later is common. Make sure to clean and or pee
Yes, yes, exactly! NO ONE TELLS YOU THIS CAN HAPPEN. After you first have vaginal sex, the area is a lot more open than it was before, so you become prone to infections. Take a shower afterwards or pee. I personally got a vaginal infection and a bladder infection at the same time. I felt like I was DYING. The pain of the infections was at least ten times worse than breaking a hymen could ever be.
I've heard lots of stories from friends about first times, and most people will say it hurts. But then, that's something about the nature of the first time. It also depends a little on how big he is, and how small she is.
My first time was very, very relaxed and kind of protracted. My partner and I had been sexually involved for some time, so we knew how to arouse the other and we both said we'd stop if there was a problem. The first time we went for penetration, I think I tensed and I found it very sore. We quickly stopped, and over the next couple of months we just messed about, really (medically, I believe sex is only considered full sex if the man ejaculates, so that was how I figure it) and I got used to the idea and the sensation. When we finally went for 'sex' in the medical sense, I was totally chilled and comfortable; there was no pressure, and no pain. Actually, I enjoyed it. Oh, and I never have a hymen; some women are born without them.
Friends of mine, however, have had very different experiences. One of the worst things, other than of course, unwillingness, is pressure and losing virginity on a specific night can be a huge amount of pressure. Pressure leads to tension and decreased lubrication, which, especially in a young woman, leads to pain. First time penetration, in those circumstance, can also be quite difficult and, especially if it's the guy's first time, he might react to the resistance in the muscle by pushing harder, causing more pain. It could all get quite ugly. This bad experience can lead to a fear of future sex, which can lead to further tension and repeats of the same problem. I know plenty of women who lost their virginity in their teens and didn't really enjoy sex until their late twenties and had a partner who was more compassionate and competent.
I used to have a lot of pain even inserting tampons, so I actually put effort into trying to "practice" and get my muscles to relax before I ever lost my virginity, so I think it hurt less than it otherwise would have.
The main painful thing for me was penetration, and the first several times, it would hurt every time he hit my cervix (so basically, with deep thrusts). I actually even started enjoying my first time toward the end, though I do remember the general sensation was so bizarre that I had to make him stop halfway through sex so that I could go to the bathroom and pee. Even after that, for the rest of the time we were having sex (and for the next two or three times after), I always felt like I had to pee during sex. Weird.
Actually, feeling like you have to pee during sex is normal. If you went to the bathroom and it still feels like that, it means he's probably hitting your g-spot. If stimulated long enough, it leads to one heck of an orgasm, sometimes accompanied with a clear fluid (that's NOT pee). Explore it enough and you'll be able to tell the difference.
My first time wasn't painful at all, just felt a bit of stretching (it wasn't the greatest sex, though). I had lost my hymen a long time ago. A friend of mine described losing her hymen during sex being similar to someone jamming a lead bar through your body.
I'd heard that, but I don't think it was the case for me.... The feeling went away after the first 2-3 times, and it definitely wasn't anything comfortable. (Maybe something to look into on my own time, though, just the same...? Heh. :P )
Okay, first thing to explain is this: have you ever cut yourself on something? Like a small scratch on your arm? It might be closest to that. For me, my boyfriend and I took forever to actually complete vaginal sex. We didn't force it and went slowly. I didn't even notice when it happened. It felt like mild discomfort and tightness, more than anything. Almost like a sore limb being stretched. Also, there's hardly any blood at all. You get about as much blood from the hymen tearing as you do from a bad scratch on your arm. Also, "tearing," "ripping," and "breaking" make it sound way worse than it is. It's a very small tear in a small area of flesh. It's not a rending of physically humongous proportions. I imagine that if you don't go slow, like my boyfriend and I did, it can be more painful, but I would imagine it being a painful cut, then, rather than a "bone-shattering rip" or something.
Oh, and from what I understand, it's a complete myth that you can rip your hymen by riding horseback or a bicycle. Do you have any idea how far inward the hymen is compared to where the outer labia rest? You'd have to jam the bike seat's tip or horse saddle's pommel INTO your vaginal canal for there to be any breaking of the hymen. And it's extremely rare for it be broken from gymnastics, as I understand. In other words, you simply cannot use sports as a reason for your character to be without a hymen. It rarely ever happens at all and isn't believable.
Interesting...because I used to ride horses several times a week, rode bikes every day for *years* (never used a tampon) and my first time wasn't painful at all. I wasn't sore the next day, didn't get an infection...nothing. Not that I can recall, anyways. I only ever had one partner in my life (married to him now,)
I am very curious now to see some sort of scientific evidence that says, wthout a shadow of a doubt, that one cannot rupture their hymen through sports activites. Not having a go at you, just reallty curious to read something that declares this as a not possible.
i think it's possible during SOME sports activities, but I don't think it was possible during horseback riding. And it's entirely possible you never had a hymen. A lot of women are born today with only partial hymens or none at all.
But yeah, I would also like to see more about this.
I still don't know if tampons can break the hymen, though. I never used one. Can they? So confusing.
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Question answered, I broke my hymen during horseback riding. Though it was actually a combination of things. It was towards the end of my period (I was thirteen) and I had a tampon in. I worked my horse and then rode bareback. When I went inside there was a TON of blood. I was really scared, it was definitely not from my period. And I was sore for a few days afterward.
According to my doctor at the time, the amount a girl bleeds is entirely dependant on her individual physiology. Some girls have very thick hymens (As I probably did from the amount of blood), others have just a thin membrane, some only partially cover the channel and some have no hymen to speak of.
I have talked to other riders who have broken their hymen while riding without tampons in. So it is definitely possible. Depending on how hard you ride, there is alot of pressure and some amount of repetitious concussion against the saddle. It is just a bit of membrane, not hard to rupture. If it was like a piece of thick skin, you would never get through it with a penis. Very thin. Very fragile.
So when I had sex for the first time years later, I had no hymen but there was still a small amount of discomfort but I had been with my boyfriend a while and we were all deep in puppy love so it was a monumentous occassion and the surge of emotions over powered the pain.
Actually the hymen is near the opening of the vagina, so it is possible for people to break theirs through certain vigorous activity that isn't sexual.
Entry of vagina, and hymen are very individual. They can as good as close the vagina up, except for a smallish hole in extreme cases, or even have several holes.
Nothing really says that a hymen has to go via horseback riding or other sports activities, mine sure didn't and I roder from toddler age onwards, horses and bikes. I even used tampons, yet I definitely had my hymen torn open when push came to shove. It hurt, even though I was more than ready (but then he was rather well endowed). Part of the pain is not just the hymen breaking, a log of the pain may be the muscles being widened the first time and unless you were fingering with as many fingers and stretching makes up the erection of your first lover, there will be some sudden widening.
Please do remember that in medieval times the clitoris and its role wasn't known. Women were not expected to experience pleasure/lust or have an orgasm. No one would readily know a female needs longer to achieve and O or that often enough it needs manual stimulation.
So essentially the man would mount her, insert himself, achieve his own orgasm and then be done with it. He most likely would roll over and sleep right away. That a girl would experience a lot of sexual pleasure under these circs is unlikely.
"Inward?" The hymen is right over the opening of the vagina, not inside it. You do get a cushion with the labia, but when you're sitting on something like a bike or a horse it's maybe a fraction of an inch on the average woman. The tearing action with a hymen occurs from stretching, so anything that involves your legs being stretched apart (especially rapidly) has a chance at it. It's a very thin, delicate membrane, so you definitely so not need penetration to break it.
You can most definitely tear your hymen by sports, touching, tampons, etc.
Each girl's anatomy is completely different. Some girls are naturally going to be tighter than others. Some have their cervix mere inches from the opening, while for others the cervix can be more than 8 inches deep. Since we all have such different bodies and even appearances it is not reasonable to say the hymen is "very deep" inside - it can be for some, but for others it isn't.
I knew a girl who rode a bike and fell on the seat somehow funny (don't know the details), but she ended up needing stitches and from what I remember she was pretty sure her hymen was broken after that.
Wow thanks for all the responses everybody. I haven't even dated, let alone been intimate, so had no idea how to get her mother to explain things. I think my mum is waiting until I get a boyfriend before launching into that topic. Not exactly helpful.
I'm basing the setting on almost medieval England, complete with the Church and that women should be virgins when they marry. Purity and all that jazz. Bess (the character) hasn't had any intimate relations with a man. Imicke (her mother) would be furious (understatement), even though Imicke has had several flings with unmarried men.
The pain I felt the first time I had vaginal penetration was more akin to a burning sensation, and if the clitoris were stimulated directly (with a finger for example) she could feel pleasure even though she's still feeling the burning sensation. If the clitorial stimulation caused her walls to clamp down, it could result in a sharp pang of soreness. Like feeling pleasure but still feeling a bit of pain. It depends on how attentive her partner is to her experience.
For every girl it is a little different. I know for me it didn't hurt at all right away. It wasn't until afterwards that i felt any kind of pain. The pain that i did feel was more of a dull throbbing sensation but it went away withing a half hour or so afterwards.
The new phrasing is corona, not hymen. There is some good info about vaginal corona here: http://www.scarleteen.com/article/body/my_corona_the_anatomy_formerly_known_as_the_hymen_the_myths_that_surround_it
This article is a bit streamlined into one direction. This here gives additional info, including visuals of less common possibilities and abnormalities:
Coffeedrinker wrote: This article is a bit streamlined into one direction. This here gives additional info, including visuals of less common possibilities and abnormalities:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hymen
It's always good to use multiple links but also consider the sources. Anybody can edit wiki and point to any reference no baryer how out dated. I'm not saying this is (I'm looking after I type) but scareleteen is run by sex educators.
Well, these sex educators also propagate nonsense, and such which can harm people. And that's just one which hit my awareness on first scan of some of their info. They maintain Chlamydia is exclusively traded through sexual contact, which is nonsense. I wonder just how many teens accuse each other of cheating solely due this little falsehood, and that can have dire consequences for either of a couple.
Their info on the hymen may be coloured in an attempt to take fears from teens, but it nevertheless stresses something which isn't the case for quite many girls and women, and claiming that bleeding is uncommon or a sign of too rough or early or fast intercourse is real BS. To the day we have societies which demonstrate by the marriage sheet hung for everyone to see even for older and old virgins that indeed the majority of them bleed. That a girl wouldn't notice any bleeding from the hymen when using tampons (which you do when you bleed anyway) is a no-brainer. Of course they can, and I am sure many do, break their hymen then. That doesn't mean that a hymen being broken doesn't bleed in most cases.
This is not to slate sex-educators or their sites, but being one doesn't guarantee correct info either.
I wholeheartedly agree on Wikipedia. You find some wiki graffiti on smaller/less-trafficked articles, sometimes, but what Wikipedia is is a massively peer-reviewed and expert-regulated database of info, not the utterly useless pile of crap people treat it as. It makes good research for personal reasons (like writing) or for a starting point just to let you know where to look.
My first time wasn't painful, really, much like others have described here with a brief tearing and such.
However, something that hasn't been touched on much here is bleeding. Some people bleed a lot their first time and some not at all. Any blood at all tends to freak a boy out, though, so it's something to keep in mind definitely.
It didn't hurt me, but it seems like lots of people don't do any penetration before sex. If she's wet (or they use lube), and he starts her with his fingers (and foreplay's generally a good thing anyway), I wouldn't think it should hurt.
If they just kiss and touch a bit and he penetrates her, I could see some pain. It still hurts now if I'm tight and dehydrated, if that's not TMI.
That depends most likely also on cultural influence and time. Heavy petting needs not necessarily mean insertion of fingers, especially if that was accompanied with discomfort in the first place. I remember more concentration on the clit. At the time you did not get to see lots of porn as a teen, and few considered the vagina a place wherein to stick lots of fingers. ;-)
Also, you'd need at least 2 or 3 of those to achieve a spread similar to insertion of a penis and at that point I'd hasard that discomfort would then occur simply when these fingers are inserted instead of when a penis is inserted. It's the same act regardless of what you do it with. I can attest to that the state of arousal and amount of self-lubrication plays no role regarding the pain you experience or the amount of bleeding you do.
And yes, it can hurt several times in a row. I was at the time actually taken aback by that it did. It took 3-4 penetrative intercourses to achieve full comfort, but again I'd say girth of my partner was one reason for that.
I must say that my first time was very awkward and not at all romantic - though we tried music and candles and such. It's all about not knowing how hard to penetrate, trying to line stuff up perfectly...trying to keep the mood going when you're both afraid of not performing well. It's entirely possible to hit the wrong hole - though the woman will definitely stop you before you start entering it.
I'd say the pain is most similar to the soreness you experience in your muscles after your first workout in 6 months. It's sore. The more you use those muscles, the less painful it is.
Mother to daughter advice? Kegals. Lay a towel beneath you so there's no blood on the sheets. And tell him to go SLOW! And if the sex is too overwhelming to handle, get on your knees and use BOTH hands.
Meowzbark wrote: And if the sex is too overwhelming to handle, get on your knees and use BOTH hands.
I lol'd.
I'm sure the experience is different for everyone the first time. For me, there was no pain. It actually was romantic and special (which was a pleasant surprise, because I had been told not to get my hopes up for that), albeit a bit awkward due to him persistently asking "ARE YOU OKAY? ARE YOU OKAY?"
There was no blood, no pain. Ever. I've never had painful vaginal intercourse, not my first time and not any of the times after that. I'm blessed in that way I suppose.
I'm pretty sure my hymen was broken before "THE INTERCOURSE."
Oh, God. The awkward. That is something that I forgot about, understandably so. Luckily, the guy I was with was someone amazing and we legit just were able to laugh everything off. But awkwardness is definitely there, too.
Oh yes, so much awkward. My first time there were so many little awkward mishaps it was kind of ridiculous. Thankfully, I had known that some degree of awkward was likely, and we were able to laugh it off (actually, being able to laugh when things got awkward was one of the qualities that convinced me I wanted my first time to be with him).
Re: bleeding, I only bled a small amount, but the bleeding didn't entirely stop until a few days later (not sure if that's normal).
I would describe it as the pain of something being stretched farther than it's meant to stretch, and a certain amount of tearing sensation. It was quite painful (although my pain tolerance is horrible, so take that for what you will, also, he was quite large); he did his best to go slow but I kept having stop him because it hurt too much. What finally worked was switching so I was on top so I could be in control of the pace. The initial sensation can still be kind of overwhelming, but it's never again been painful.
Another thing to consider is how much previous experience she's had with sexual activities short of penetration; the first time seeing an erect penis can be intimidating on its own. I had to struggle not to visibly freak out because my internal monologue was just going Oh holy fuck that's big how the fuck is that supposed to fit inside me?! But thankfully for me that was several months earlier.
Anatomy can vary so much from woman to woman that this is a really tricky question. In my group of friends I have everything from people who've never felt any pain, to people who've been sexually active for years and it still hurts even when they go slow. So I suggest you pick one of the descriptions people here give you, mix more than one together or just go with what suits the story best - chances are the description will fit at least one woman's experience :)
As for asking her mother for advice... I guess the big thing to talk about would be the bleeding-part, if you're writing about a society that has a thing for virgins-until-marriage and have the 'hymen-permanently-breaks'-myth as part of their culture. Not all women bleed, not all hymen tear, and there's of course no way to tell if a woman is a virgin just by looking at the hymen, so there's no guarantee that she'll be able to 'prove' her virginity at all.
If proving that she's a virgin is important, one advice her mother could give her is to keep something sharp with her, so she can nick her own thigh in an emergency, so to speak, but this of course completely depends on the setting and relationships between your characters.
A common thing that was really used in medieval times was that a woman (especially a new queen or other royal) would be given a small vial of chicken blood.
My ex-boyfriend ripped my hymen in a hand job and it didn't hurt - at least not at first. He insisted on stopping and I went to pee and Then it hurt. Go figure. It definitely wasn't the first time he had given me a hand job, though he had apparently intended to rip it before we had vaginal sex.
My first time having vaginal sex was boring. Two virgins probably aren't going to have magic happen.
AidaLuthien wrote:My first time having vaginal sex was boring. Two virgins probably aren't going to have magic happen.
It doesn't commonly help even if one of the pair is experienced. My BF was quite a seasoned lover, and still it was, well not boring, but definitely free of an orgasm for me.
That's by the way one thing which really bugs me with lots of first time descriptions. Unless a girl has already masturbated a lot and achieved a regular orgasm from that and knows which mechanics bring her to one, it is very unlikely that she comes from firsttime PIV regardless of the amount of foreplay, lube or experience of the lover. It's her who needs the learning experience within her own body. Are ther girls who come anyway? Bound to. But it's not the rule and one look at sex-ed/help sites teach you that there are vast amounts of girls who have sex for years and don't yet orgasm.
Yet the mind-boggling, earth-shattering defloration is such a staple, be it erotic or other writers.
That being said, there are people who can achieve orgasm completely on their own, before ever having sex, with hardly any physical stimulation (I know because I am one). I think it's a combination of self-knowledge and just being really sex-starved. Relevant here basically because it makes pretty interesting writing (I have a character in my story who fantasizes quite a bit. It's fun writing her sections).
My first time wasn't particularly painful (but I'd also been using tampons for years and touching myself)- I definitely gasped a little when my hymen tore but it was less from pain and more from... newness? That might be a way to describe it.
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One of my characters gets married and I'm considering whether to add her first experience of sex after her wedding night. I've been told there's pain (duh!) but I don't know how to accurately describe it (tearing? bone splitting?). She has a conversation with her mother about what to expect. Her mother has been with a few men in her long life so knows the tricks of the trade so to speak.
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The 'pain' would come from the tearing of the hymen, which may have already happened with tampon use or sports or may not happen the first time, depending on their respective sizes and the amount of foreplay. My first time didn't hurt, but the third time (when my hymen broke) hurt a little bit, quickly, like smacking your elbow on a doorframe and I was sore afterwards (but not horribly).
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It kind of depends on the circumstances. it's a bit sore on initial penetration but as long as there has been enough foreplay and she's not too stressed about it being her first time she should get into it pretty quickly. If the person she's having sex with is experienced then they would probably/ hopefully know how to get her in the mood and get her juices flowing (for want of a better phrase). if not then she might be a bit dry and it could be quite uncomfortable. If it's a romance story, you want her to be ready and for it to be relatively pain free.
The pain type depends on whether her hymen is intact or not. If so, it would be quite a sharp pain that recedes quite quickly. It depends on the era of your book - if it's a sort of regency type story, then her hymen would probably be intact but not necessarily nowadays as the hymen can tear through riding a bike or horseriding or gymnastics. I would say the pain would be more tearing. Definitely not bone splitting or no one would ever do it again.
Don't just go on what I say. Every woman is different and everyone's experience of the first time is different. You will probably get about 20 answers to this and 21 different opinions as to how painful and what kind of pain it is. it's kind of like asking what does period pain feel like.
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Has the girl had any sexual experiences before her wedding night? If she has, the experience might not be so foreign to her and may not be as painful.
If the girl has never even touched a man before (or been touched), then I think her experience will be one of shock, embarassment and possibly more pain than in the first scenario.
I wouldn't call the experience "bone splitting" though...unless we are talking about rape, the imagery of bone splitting makes me shudder, not at all what I'd want to read about when a woman is with a man for the first time on their wedding night.
Hope this helped.
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Agreed that unless it is rape (in which case it would be really painful), in most consensual cases there is perhaps uncertainty, nervousness and a bit of discomfort - but pain? I think in our society today the whole hyman thing is hardly relevant! Very few girls have to experience the whole concept of "ripping" (at least in my life, conversations with friends, personal etc,). More a case of feeling uncomfortably stuffed (sounds crass but true). Proper foreplay should make everything smooth and fairly easy!
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My first time didn't hurt per say...not pain wise. It was uncomfortable and really unsent really. It was also very awkward...to be fair I don't think either of us knew what we were doing...
I did have a bladder infection the next something I was told later is common. Make sure to clean and or pee
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Yes, yes, exactly! NO ONE TELLS YOU THIS CAN HAPPEN. After you first have vaginal sex, the area is a lot more open than it was before, so you become prone to infections. Take a shower afterwards or pee. I personally got a vaginal infection and a bladder infection at the same time. I felt like I was DYING. The pain of the infections was at least ten times worse than breaking a hymen could ever be.
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I've tried and spread this message since!! It's something I think most girls (experienced and first timers) should be aware of!
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I know! I was extremely disappointed that NO ONE MENTIONED THIS. At all.
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I've heard lots of stories from friends about first times, and most people will say it hurts. But then, that's something about the nature of the first time. It also depends a little on how big he is, and how small she is.
My first time was very, very relaxed and kind of protracted. My partner and I had been sexually involved for some time, so we knew how to arouse the other and we both said we'd stop if there was a problem. The first time we went for penetration, I think I tensed and I found it very sore. We quickly stopped, and over the next couple of months we just messed about, really (medically, I believe sex is only considered full sex if the man ejaculates, so that was how I figure it) and I got used to the idea and the sensation. When we finally went for 'sex' in the medical sense, I was totally chilled and comfortable; there was no pressure, and no pain. Actually, I enjoyed it. Oh, and I never have a hymen; some women are born without them.
Friends of mine, however, have had very different experiences. One of the worst things, other than of course, unwillingness, is pressure and losing virginity on a specific night can be a huge amount of pressure. Pressure leads to tension and decreased lubrication, which, especially in a young woman, leads to pain. First time penetration, in those circumstance, can also be quite difficult and, especially if it's the guy's first time, he might react to the resistance in the muscle by pushing harder, causing more pain. It could all get quite ugly. This bad experience can lead to a fear of future sex, which can lead to further tension and repeats of the same problem. I know plenty of women who lost their virginity in their teens and didn't really enjoy sex until their late twenties and had a partner who was more compassionate and competent.
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I used to have a lot of pain even inserting tampons, so I actually put effort into trying to "practice" and get my muscles to relax before I ever lost my virginity, so I think it hurt less than it otherwise would have.
The main painful thing for me was penetration, and the first several times, it would hurt every time he hit my cervix (so basically, with deep thrusts). I actually even started enjoying my first time toward the end, though I do remember the general sensation was so bizarre that I had to make him stop halfway through sex so that I could go to the bathroom and pee. Even after that, for the rest of the time we were having sex (and for the next two or three times after), I always felt like I had to pee during sex. Weird.
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Actually, feeling like you have to pee during sex is normal. If you went to the bathroom and it still feels like that, it means he's probably hitting your g-spot. If stimulated long enough, it leads to one heck of an orgasm, sometimes accompanied with a clear fluid (that's NOT pee). Explore it enough and you'll be able to tell the difference.
My first time wasn't painful at all, just felt a bit of stretching (it wasn't the greatest sex, though). I had lost my hymen a long time ago. A friend of mine described losing her hymen during sex being similar to someone jamming a lead bar through your body.
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I'd heard that, but I don't think it was the case for me.... The feeling went away after the first 2-3 times, and it definitely wasn't anything comfortable. (Maybe something to look into on my own time, though, just the same...? Heh. :P )
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Okay, first thing to explain is this: have you ever cut yourself on something? Like a small scratch on your arm? It might be closest to that.
For me, my boyfriend and I took forever to actually complete vaginal sex. We didn't force it and went slowly. I didn't even notice when it happened. It felt like mild discomfort and tightness, more than anything. Almost like a sore limb being stretched. Also, there's hardly any blood at all. You get about as much blood from the hymen tearing as you do from a bad scratch on your arm.
Also, "tearing," "ripping," and "breaking" make it sound way worse than it is. It's a very small tear in a small area of flesh. It's not a rending of physically humongous proportions.
I imagine that if you don't go slow, like my boyfriend and I did, it can be more painful, but I would imagine it being a painful cut, then, rather than a "bone-shattering rip" or something.
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Oh, and from what I understand, it's a complete myth that you can rip your hymen by riding horseback or a bicycle. Do you have any idea how far inward the hymen is compared to where the outer labia rest? You'd have to jam the bike seat's tip or horse saddle's pommel INTO your vaginal canal for there to be any breaking of the hymen.
And it's extremely rare for it be broken from gymnastics, as I understand.
In other words, you simply cannot use sports as a reason for your character to be without a hymen. It rarely ever happens at all and isn't believable.
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Interesting...because I used to ride horses several times a week, rode bikes every day for *years* (never used a tampon) and my first time wasn't painful at all. I wasn't sore the next day, didn't get an infection...nothing. Not that I can recall, anyways. I only ever had one partner in my life (married to him now,)
I am very curious now to see some sort of scientific evidence that says, wthout a shadow of a doubt, that one cannot rupture their hymen through sports activites. Not having a go at you, just reallty curious to read something that declares this as a not possible.
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i think it's possible during SOME sports activities, but I don't think it was possible during horseback riding. And it's entirely possible you never had a hymen. A lot of women are born today with only partial hymens or none at all.
But yeah, I would also like to see more about this.
I still don't know if tampons can break the hymen, though. I never used one. Can they? So confusing.
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Question answered, I broke my hymen during horseback riding. Though it was actually a combination of things. It was towards the end of my period (I was thirteen) and I had a tampon in. I worked my horse and then rode bareback. When I went inside there was a TON of blood. I was really scared, it was definitely not from my period. And I was sore for a few days afterward.
According to my doctor at the time, the amount a girl bleeds is entirely dependant on her individual physiology. Some girls have very thick hymens (As I probably did from the amount of blood), others have just a thin membrane, some only partially cover the channel and some have no hymen to speak of.
I have talked to other riders who have broken their hymen while riding without tampons in. So it is definitely possible. Depending on how hard you ride, there is alot of pressure and some amount of repetitious concussion against the saddle. It is just a bit of membrane, not hard to rupture. If it was like a piece of thick skin, you would never get through it with a penis. Very thin. Very fragile.
So when I had sex for the first time years later, I had no hymen but there was still a small amount of discomfort but I had been with my boyfriend a while and we were all deep in puppy love so it was a monumentous occassion and the surge of emotions over powered the pain.
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My friend says she's done it, trotting on really wide-backed ponies when she was younger.
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Actually the hymen is near the opening of the vagina, so it is possible for people to break theirs through certain vigorous activity that isn't sexual.
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No true since the hymen is not actually inside the vagina
http://www.livestrong.com/article/12449-female-hymen/
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Entry of vagina, and hymen are very individual. They can as good as close the vagina up, except for a smallish hole in extreme cases, or even have several holes.
Nothing really says that a hymen has to go via horseback riding or other sports activities, mine sure didn't and I roder from toddler age onwards, horses and bikes. I even used tampons, yet I definitely had my hymen torn open when push came to shove. It hurt, even though I was more than ready (but then he was rather well endowed). Part of the pain is not just the hymen breaking, a log of the pain may be the muscles being widened the first time and unless you were fingering with as many fingers and stretching makes up the erection of your first lover, there will be some sudden widening.
Please do remember that in medieval times the clitoris and its role wasn't known. Women were not expected to experience pleasure/lust or have an orgasm. No one would readily know a female needs longer to achieve and O or that often enough it needs manual stimulation.
So essentially the man would mount her, insert himself, achieve his own orgasm and then be done with it. He most likely would roll over and sleep right away. That a girl would experience a lot of sexual pleasure under these circs is unlikely.
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"Inward?" The hymen is right over the opening of the vagina, not inside it. You do get a cushion with the labia, but when you're sitting on something like a bike or a horse it's maybe a fraction of an inch on the average woman. The tearing action with a hymen occurs from stretching, so anything that involves your legs being stretched apart (especially rapidly) has a chance at it. It's a very thin, delicate membrane, so you definitely so not need penetration to break it.
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You can most definitely tear your hymen by sports, touching, tampons, etc.
Each girl's anatomy is completely different. Some girls are naturally going to be tighter than others. Some have their cervix mere inches from the opening, while for others the cervix can be more than 8 inches deep. Since we all have such different bodies and even appearances it is not reasonable to say the hymen is "very deep" inside - it can be for some, but for others it isn't.
I knew a girl who rode a bike and fell on the seat somehow funny (don't know the details), but she ended up needing stitches and from what I remember she was pretty sure her hymen was broken after that.
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Wow thanks for all the responses everybody. I haven't even dated, let alone been intimate, so had no idea how to get her mother to explain things. I think my mum is waiting until I get a boyfriend before launching into that topic. Not exactly helpful.
I'm basing the setting on almost medieval England, complete with the Church and that women should be virgins when they marry. Purity and all that jazz. Bess (the character) hasn't had any intimate relations with a man. Imicke (her mother) would be furious (understatement), even though Imicke has had several flings with unmarried men.
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The pain I felt the first time I had vaginal penetration was more akin to a burning sensation, and if the clitoris were stimulated directly (with a finger for example) she could feel pleasure even though she's still feeling the burning sensation. If the clitorial stimulation caused her walls to clamp down, it could result in a sharp pang of soreness. Like feeling pleasure but still feeling a bit of pain. It depends on how attentive her partner is to her experience.
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For every girl it is a little different. I know for me it didn't hurt at all right away. It wasn't until afterwards that i felt any kind of pain. The pain that i did feel was more of a dull throbbing sensation but it went away withing a half hour or so afterwards.
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The new phrasing is corona, not hymen. There is some good info about vaginal corona here: http://www.scarleteen.com/article/body/my_corona_the_anatomy_formerly_known_as_the_hymen_the_myths_that_surround_it
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This article is a bit streamlined into one direction. This here gives additional info, including visuals of less common possibilities and abnormalities:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hymen
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It's always good to use multiple links but also consider the sources. Anybody can edit wiki and point to any reference no baryer how out dated. I'm not saying this is (I'm looking after I type) but scareleteen is run by sex educators.
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Well, these sex educators also propagate nonsense, and such which can harm people. And that's just one which hit my awareness on first scan of some of their info. They maintain Chlamydia is exclusively traded through sexual contact, which is nonsense. I wonder just how many teens accuse each other of cheating solely due this little falsehood, and that can have dire consequences for either of a couple.
Their info on the hymen may be coloured in an attempt to take fears from teens, but it nevertheless stresses something which isn't the case for quite many girls and women, and claiming that bleeding is uncommon or a sign of too rough or early or fast intercourse is real BS. To the day we have societies which demonstrate by the marriage sheet hung for everyone to see even for older and old virgins that indeed the majority of them bleed. That a girl wouldn't notice any bleeding from the hymen when using tampons (which you do when you bleed anyway) is a no-brainer. Of course they can, and I am sure many do, break their hymen then. That doesn't mean that a hymen being broken doesn't bleed in most cases.
This is not to slate sex-educators or their sites, but being one doesn't guarantee correct info either.
As to Wikipedia, the info there is quite correct (the drawing may be old, but it is accurate) and I've found Wikipedia to be less of a risqué source than is currently obviously the fashion to claim. If an article has been out for a while it has usually self-cleaned of most nonsense.
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Really? Because Scarleteen is where I learnt that Chlamydia could be spread through skin-to-skin contact.
from the site:
"How is it spread? Through vaginal or anal intercourse, oral sex, during childbirth, and in rare cases, from hand to eye and other nonsexual contact."
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I wholeheartedly agree on Wikipedia. You find some wiki graffiti on smaller/less-trafficked articles, sometimes, but what Wikipedia is is a massively peer-reviewed and expert-regulated database of info, not the utterly useless pile of crap people treat it as. It makes good research for personal reasons (like writing) or for a starting point just to let you know where to look.
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My first time wasn't painful, really, much like others have described here with a brief tearing and such.
However, something that hasn't been touched on much here is bleeding. Some people bleed a lot their first time and some not at all. Any blood at all tends to freak a boy out, though, so it's something to keep in mind definitely.
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A good thing to keep in mind: healthy adult women are used to seeing blood on their genitals. Healthy adult men are not.
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So true. I was completely unphased, "oh, I'm bleeding a bit, it would probably be a good idea to put a pad in", but he was kind of horrified.
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It didn't hurt me, but it seems like lots of people don't do any penetration before sex. If she's wet (or they use lube), and he starts her with his fingers (and foreplay's generally a good thing anyway), I wouldn't think it should hurt.
If they just kiss and touch a bit and he penetrates her, I could see some pain.
It still hurts now if I'm tight and dehydrated, if that's not TMI.
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That depends most likely also on cultural influence and time. Heavy petting needs not necessarily mean insertion of fingers, especially if that was accompanied with discomfort in the first place. I remember more concentration on the clit. At the time you did not get to see lots of porn as a teen, and few considered the vagina a place wherein to stick lots of fingers. ;-)
Also, you'd need at least 2 or 3 of those to achieve a spread similar to insertion of a penis and at that point I'd hasard that discomfort would then occur simply when these fingers are inserted instead of when a penis is inserted. It's the same act regardless of what you do it with. I can attest to that the state of arousal and amount of self-lubrication plays no role regarding the pain you experience or the amount of bleeding you do.
And yes, it can hurt several times in a row. I was at the time actually taken aback by that it did. It took 3-4 penetrative intercourses to achieve full comfort, but again I'd say girth of my partner was one reason for that.
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I must say that my first time was very awkward and not at all romantic - though we tried music and candles and such. It's all about not knowing how hard to penetrate, trying to line stuff up perfectly...trying to keep the mood going when you're both afraid of not performing well. It's entirely possible to hit the wrong hole - though the woman will definitely stop you before you start entering it.
I'd say the pain is most similar to the soreness you experience in your muscles after your first workout in 6 months. It's sore. The more you use those muscles, the less painful it is.
Mother to daughter advice? Kegals. Lay a towel beneath you so there's no blood on the sheets. And tell him to go SLOW! And if the sex is too overwhelming to handle, get on your knees and use BOTH hands.
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I lol'd.
I'm sure the experience is different for everyone the first time. For me, there was no pain. It actually was romantic and special (which was a pleasant surprise, because I had been told not to get my hopes up for that), albeit a bit awkward due to him persistently asking "ARE YOU OKAY? ARE YOU OKAY?"
There was no blood, no pain. Ever. I've never had painful vaginal intercourse, not my first time and not any of the times after that. I'm blessed in that way I suppose.
I'm pretty sure my hymen was broken before "THE INTERCOURSE."
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Oh, God. The awkward. That is something that I forgot about, understandably so. Luckily, the guy I was with was someone amazing and we legit just were able to laugh everything off. But awkwardness is definitely there, too.
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Oh yes, so much awkward. My first time there were so many little awkward mishaps it was kind of ridiculous. Thankfully, I had known that some degree of awkward was likely, and we were able to laugh it off (actually, being able to laugh when things got awkward was one of the qualities that convinced me I wanted my first time to be with him).
Re: bleeding, I only bled a small amount, but the bleeding didn't entirely stop until a few days later (not sure if that's normal).
I would describe it as the pain of something being stretched farther than it's meant to stretch, and a certain amount of tearing sensation. It was quite painful (although my pain tolerance is horrible, so take that for what you will, also, he was quite large); he did his best to go slow but I kept having stop him because it hurt too much. What finally worked was switching so I was on top so I could be in control of the pace. The initial sensation can still be kind of overwhelming, but it's never again been painful.
Another thing to consider is how much previous experience she's had with sexual activities short of penetration; the first time seeing an erect penis can be intimidating on its own. I had to struggle not to visibly freak out because my internal monologue was just going Oh holy fuck that's big how the fuck is that supposed to fit inside me?! But thankfully for me that was several months earlier.
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Anatomy can vary so much from woman to woman that this is a really tricky question. In my group of friends I have everything from people who've never felt any pain, to people who've been sexually active for years and it still hurts even when they go slow. So I suggest you pick one of the descriptions people here give you, mix more than one together or just go with what suits the story best - chances are the description will fit at least one woman's experience :)
As for asking her mother for advice... I guess the big thing to talk about would be the bleeding-part, if you're writing about a society that has a thing for virgins-until-marriage and have the 'hymen-permanently-breaks'-myth as part of their culture. Not all women bleed, not all hymen tear, and there's of course no way to tell if a woman is a virgin just by looking at the hymen, so there's no guarantee that she'll be able to 'prove' her virginity at all.
If proving that she's a virgin is important, one advice her mother could give her is to keep something sharp with her, so she can nick her own thigh in an emergency, so to speak, but this of course completely depends on the setting and relationships between your characters.
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A common thing that was really used in medieval times was that a woman (especially a new queen or other royal) would be given a small vial of chicken blood.
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My ex-boyfriend ripped my hymen in a hand job and it didn't hurt - at least not at first. He insisted on stopping and I went to pee and Then it hurt. Go figure. It definitely wasn't the first time he had given me a hand job, though he had apparently intended to rip it before we had vaginal sex.
My first time having vaginal sex was boring. Two virgins probably aren't going to have magic happen.
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It doesn't commonly help even if one of the pair is experienced. My BF was quite a seasoned lover, and still it was, well not boring, but definitely free of an orgasm for me.
That's by the way one thing which really bugs me with lots of first time descriptions. Unless a girl has already masturbated a lot and achieved a regular orgasm from that and knows which mechanics bring her to one, it is very unlikely that she comes from firsttime PIV regardless of the amount of foreplay, lube or experience of the lover. It's her who needs the learning experience within her own body. Are ther girls who come anyway? Bound to. But it's not the rule and one look at sex-ed/help sites teach you that there are vast amounts of girls who have sex for years and don't yet orgasm.
Yet the mind-boggling, earth-shattering defloration is such a staple, be it erotic or other writers.
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True dat. I still can't have orgasms (I almost typed "organisms") this way.
I think the general consensus is that the first time is rarely earth-shattering. But it's rarely a good idea to generalize.
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That being said, there are people who can achieve orgasm completely on their own, before ever having sex, with hardly any physical stimulation (I know because I am one). I think it's a combination of self-knowledge and just being really sex-starved. Relevant here basically because it makes pretty interesting writing (I have a character in my story who fantasizes quite a bit. It's fun writing her sections).
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My first time wasn't particularly painful (but I'd also been using tampons for years and touching myself)- I definitely gasped a little when my hymen tore but it was less from pain and more from... newness? That might be a way to describe it.