Doctor Merlock

Launisch — Tue, 11 Oct 2011 07:46:19 -0500

Remember this thread? For all fans of Doctor Who, Sherlock, and Merlin! Because I love to see us all jumbled together as one big, happy, not-even-all-that-dysfunctional family. Let us all raise our hands in praise and thanks for BBC One.

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premiumcider — Tue, 11 Oct 2011 08:07:52 -0500

Thank you, BBC. Sherlock is a true masterpiece! Now how long will it take before this turns into a Doctor Who thread? (I should probably watch Doctor Who sometime, and start from the *beginning* and not from the *part with David Tennant*, so I know what it's *about*)

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Launisch — Tue, 11 Oct 2011 08:26:13 -0500

SHERLOCKIANS REPRESENT. I've actually loved Sherlock much longer than I've loved Doctor Who. I always resented Doctor Who for stealing Sherlock's writers. :P But if you get into it, it is immensely worth it. And they're similar shows, in many ways. Though to be perfectly honest, I had to skim over the beginning of Doctor Who and get to David Tennant as quickly as possible in order to stay interested (sorry, Christopher Eccleston fans). Once I fell in love with it, though, I went back and thoroughly enjoyed to beginning.

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Midnight_indigo — Tue, 11 Oct 2011 08:30:39 -0500

Haven't watched Sherlock, though I really should because I know I would like it...but Merlin and Doctor Who! Whoop whoop! Though I haven't had access to the third season yet (apparently Merlin doesn't get to be on BBCAmerica >_>) so that's a bit unfortunate. And yeah, Doctor Who all the way. :D

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BlueGonfalon — Tue, 11 Oct 2011 11:03:57 -0500

Thank you Launisch! Phew, I'm glad it's still here. I'm a Doctor Merlock all the way; meaning I love all three. =D Which reminds me...my full forum name is Blue Morgause Whovian. I should fit something from Sherlock in there somehow...

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Purple99 — Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:26:09 -0500

I haven't seen Sherlock yet but I plan to see it in the near future. I love Merlin and Doctor Who! So who else has been watching the new series of Merlin?

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Lady Meriwen — Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:28:04 -0500

DOCTOR MERLOCK. That's fantastic. :D I suppose my TV fan persona would be Doctor Merlock stumbling around Lost and looking for a Castle... (And I think Chris Eccleston is lovely, but I suppose a heated discussion involving Nine would be best in the Who thread. Not that I /want/ to get in a heated discussion, or anything.)

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BlueGonfalon — Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:57:51 -0500

@Purple: I wanna see it so bad!! Can't yet...I'm probably going to have to wait until Netflix gets it. The downside of being American... =( Hi Lady Meriwen! Oooh, Lady jewel maiden? I like it! Oh, we can debate! On the old forums, Lauriloth (who will hopefully show up soon...) and I had a fun fight over 10 and 11. So you could join in and we'd have a three way battle! =D

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Lauriloth — Tue, 11 Oct 2011 15:19:58 -0500

*bursts into thread* I'm here!!! :D Thank goodness, I cannot go long without my Doctor Merlock thread!^_^ If you have not already guessed, I love all three shows with an unhealthy passion. Doctor Who and Merlin fight for the number one place in my heart though. Still have not decided which one I like best. Doctor Who was my first love though, since I saw it first (lover of Tennant forever and always). Then I saw Sherlock and immediately fell in love. Then I started Merlin sometime in...January or February I think, fell so much in love that it made me sick, and devoured the whole series. Now I just sit around for the weekend to come all week so I can watch the new episodes. XD Anyways, hello, everyone! :D

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Lauriloth — Tue, 11 Oct 2011 15:59:51 -0500

Blue!^_^ *glompers* Absolutely!! :D I have the old one saved, do you want me to post it?

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Lauriloth — Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:46:29 -0500

Okay, I will go find it for fun. Here we go. So it first started out with you saying this: [quote=BlueGonfalon]Oh. And I just watched The Beast Below. Can't believe I'd never seen it before. But I very much enjoyed it. It was good to see Smith again after a few months of me watching Tennant. =D[/quote] Which led to my response: [quote=Lauriloth][/quote] And then we really had at it: [quote=BlueGonfalon] [/quote] [quote=Lauriloth][/quote] [quote=BlueGonfalon] [/quote] [quote=Lauriloth][/quote] [quote=BlueGonfalon] I think there are more gifs of Ten then anyone else. Well, I guess that's obvious...I just never made the connection before.[/quote] [quote=Lauriloth][/quote] I did the last one, so it is your turn, me dear. XD And oh my goodness! It did regenerate!! Ahahahah! XD

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BlueGonfalon — Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:52:34 -0500

Okiedokie! So ha!

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Evangaline656 — Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:00:11 -0500

I FRICKIN LOVE YOU GUYS. 'Nuff said. ;)

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Launisch — Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:54:32 -0500

Oh man, now I want in.

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Don Ricci — Tue, 11 Oct 2011 22:34:00 -0500

I am a fan of all of these things, but the last two have only happened in the last month or so. (I need to watch the latest ep of Merlin). Accept me? *puppy dog eyes*

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Lauriloth — Wed, 12 Oct 2011 00:49:32 -0500

EVA!!!!! I love using that GIF to hug you because it really is me hugging you!^_^ If anyone is curious, Eva is Morgana, Blue is Morgause, and I am Mordred (despite me being very much female). Yep, we're strange. ;) @Blue- @Don Ricci-Yes, yes, yes! Of course!! *pulls you in and keeps you here. Of course we accept you!^_^

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Evangaline656 — Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:21:42 -0500

Hehehehhe. Oh, Lauri. ^_^ I never really realized that. XD That's hilairious. PM me NAO, girl. Like now. We need to have a long line of PMs again!

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BlueGonfalon — Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:12:22 -0500

@Lauri: @Launisch: That is hilarious!! @Eva: I wanted to find a gif of Morgana and Morgause hugging...but I couldn't. :( So know that I send you a GREAT big hug.

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Evangaline656 — Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:48:39 -0500

Sister, I will search to the very depths of GIF soup to find a GIF of us hugging. It just must be done, Morgause.

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Lauriloth — Wed, 12 Oct 2011 16:30:05 -0500

@Blue- Smith is just jealous at Tennant's mad tongue usage skills. :P @Eva-I was the last one to PM you, remember? ;) ...I think anyone. Heh. We do need to start PMing again though.^^

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BlueGonfalon — Wed, 12 Oct 2011 20:01:39 -0500

@Eva: Thank you, darling. It is appreciated. =D @Lauri: Yeah right...

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CloseSesame — Wed, 12 Oct 2011 20:08:58 -0500

Heh, I read the thread title and thought, "Is that actually a thing? Or have they done what I think they've done...?" And yeah, you had. Devoted fan of Sherlock here (fic writer and everything). Liked Doctor Who but have only been enduring it for the past season. Essentially I feel Moffat's run the damn thing into the ground, but if I started on that we'd be here all week. Wind me up and watch me rant. Never seen Merlin, not really my thing I don't think. But still - Sherlock! And memories of Doctor Who pre-Moffat-as-showrunner! Yay!

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Spaghetti7 — Wed, 12 Oct 2011 20:51:45 -0500

Have I mentioned I love this thread? Oh look. I just did. And all because someone told us to sort out our BBC obsessions and find the right threads to post on :P Anyways, I'm in love with all three of these shows. My favourite tends to be whichever I'm watching at the time. Right now I'm rewatching Matt Smith on the Craig Ferguson show. Normally I'm not one for talk shows but I have to say, that one was funny :) Anyways, I think I meant to say something more important here but it's not coming to me so I'll just come back later.

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Launisch — Wed, 12 Oct 2011 21:27:39 -0500

I'm bored, guys. Come entertain me.

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Lauriloth — Fri, 14 Oct 2011 00:14:14 -0500

@Blue- And it's Spags!!! :D I was hoping you would pop in here soon. *glompity glomp glomp*

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BlueGonfalon — Fri, 14 Oct 2011 15:03:51 -0500

HI SPAGS!! *gloomps* @Lauri:

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Lauriloth — Sat, 15 Oct 2011 01:10:34 -0500

@Blue-

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BlueGonfalon — Sat, 15 Oct 2011 10:58:53 -0500

@Lauri:

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Spaghetti7 — Sat, 15 Oct 2011 20:06:11 -0500

You guys make my day :) Anyways, I just watched Let's Kill Hitler. At first I have to say I didn't really like River but she is definitely growing on me. Regardless, that episode was amazing!

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Chapeau — Sat, 15 Oct 2011 21:41:35 -0500

Hahaha. The gif war is hilarious. I watch Doctor Who obsessively, and I watched Merlin, but I don't think they're showing it in the US anymore, so I can't watch it now. :(

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Lauriloth — Sat, 15 Oct 2011 22:08:11 -0500

@Blue- @Spags-Yes, that episode was awesome!! XD I still kinda detest River though. :/ *slinks away*

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BlueGonfalon — Sun, 16 Oct 2011 16:50:23 -0500

I just finished (yesterday) all the latest DW and Merlin shows. Can I say...WOW. I mean... UTHER? LANCELOT??? I can't...I just can't even... And then there's Doctor Who. It's just...scary what all happened. SPOILERS END HERE @Lauri:

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Lauriloth — Sun, 16 Oct 2011 20:04:24 -0500

@Blue- Oh my goodness, I knooow!!!! It is just... My mind, it can't take it. Merlin Spoilers for the second episode!! I cried over Lancelot. He is one of my favorite charries and now.... *bursts into tears* I think he might be coming back though. Okay...I HOPE anyway. Heh. Okay, okay, he BETTER!!! Yeah, let's go with that. End Spoilers Tennant has way cooler glasses. :P

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GallifreyGirl — Sun, 16 Oct 2011 20:52:11 -0500

This thread has been up for a week and I haven't noticed it?! XD Huzzah for the Doctor Merlockians! *primly raises teacup in celebration* Ya, so anyway…I haven't seen any of Series Six Part Two of DW yet! *cries* I don't have a TV at the mo', it's not on Hulu, and my *cough* source from the spring has disappeared. So I might not be here much.

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BlueGonfalon — Mon, 17 Oct 2011 15:32:17 -0500

@Lauri: You've hurt the Doctor's feelings. :( @Freya:

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Spaghetti7 — Tue, 18 Oct 2011 00:12:36 -0500

Alright, I just finished season 6 of Doctor Who, so spoilers ;) Wow. Just wow. That really messed with my head. I mean, it was brilliant, but part of me thinks it was a little much. I really hope they take things down a notch in the next season because honestly, as amazing as it was, the plot was giving me whiplash with all the twists and turns and after a while it sorta loses the cool effect and just becomes too confusing for me to bother figuring everything out. Still. River has grown on me. A lot. Only she would mess up all of space and time to save the Doctor. I mean, it's a strange relationship and I can't help but think that it's going to end badly, but for now it's... I can't even find a word to describe their relationship. I was glad that he managed to get rid of Amy and Rory without anything happening to them. I mean, you can only die so many times before it becomes permenant, right? :P Better to quit while you're ahead. I also have so many questions about the next season. I'm wondering if they'll introduce a new companion or if it'll just be him and River now. I can't wait for the Christmas episode, I'm sure it'll be amazing! :)

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Lauriloth — Wed, 19 Oct 2011 15:07:05 -0500

@Blue- Must. Resist. Sad. Doctor. Urgh! NOOOO! Ten will not succumb to tears! Those are probably fake tears anyway. That's how they Doctor feels about that and his awesome, superior glasses. :P @Spags-I knoooow!! It was so confusing! O___O But I loved every minute of it. If I cannot have my favorite Doctor, I can at least have an epic sauce story. Eheh. ;) So how do you feel about Matt Smith now? And I have so many questions, too. I am SUPER curious if there is going to be a new companion or what. I hope River will not be the next or permanent companion. O.o I...don't like River. :/ Christmas episoooode!! CANNOT WAIT!!! :D So who has all seen the three new Merlins?? Must. Discuss!!! O.o

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Spaghetti7 — Wed, 19 Oct 2011 20:38:32 -0500

I actually really like Matt Smith. He doesn't make me go "aw!" and reach out to hug my tv screen and I doubt I'd squeal like a fangirl if he put on a pair of glasses, but I do think he's a very good actor and his version of the Doctor does have a lot of "wow" factor. The 11th Doctor is the sort of person I'd love to know personally in hopes that some of his charisma and awesomeness would rub off on me :) River Song, I like her while she's there. Sorta. Sometimes. And although I do love a lot of the stuff with her and the Doctor, I find their relationship a little bit hard to believe. It's sorta like the Doctor goes along with it just because he knows its in his future and he trusts the judgement of his future self. So he basically goes along, happily causing himself to fall in love with her without even realizing it. And then as far as River is concerned, well, the same sort of thing happened to her. When she meets him in Let's Kill Hitler, she gets hit by the "wow" factor and completely commits herself to the relationship without knowing what's going to happen. That was a lot of words to say something really simple: Their relationship caused itself. I don't think there's anything between them that would've happened naturally without all the timey-wimey... stuff twisting things around.

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BlueGonfalon — Wed, 19 Oct 2011 22:58:21 -0500

Guys...this is currently the BEST Merlin video I've ever seen. It literally had me tearing up. Watch it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wGgvwyBTSM&feature=related @Lauri:

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Lauriloth — Wed, 19 Oct 2011 23:40:17 -0500

@Spags-Though I have never thought it through, you are totally right about the River/Doctor relationship thing. Neither ever show real feelings to each other, they just know there is a relationship in the future and bam, it happens. Plus, though the Doctor is of course older in the show, in real life River seems way older than Matt Smith and their relationship creeps me out...a lot. :/ And also, I don't think she deserves the Doctor. ;P Of course..who does? You made good points over the 10th and 11th Doctor as well. So all in all, which do you like best? @Blue- I could probably find a better one but I need to go to bed soon, so there ya have it. It is funny you put that last GIF, because I was thinking just this afternoon that we are technically making the same man fight himself. Which is a very amusing thought. XD And it does seem like something the Doctor would do, so we shall continue! XD And, oh my goodness, Blue! That video!! D': Poor Lancelot! D: The Arthurian Legend is just so tragic, it depresses me sometimes.

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Spaghetti7 — Thu, 20 Oct 2011 09:24:05 -0500

Personally I like Tennant more. But I feel like Matt Smith just might be a better Doctor. Ouch. It hurt to say that. Give me a chance to watch some season 2 again and I might take that back. And as far as the River-Doctor age gap goes... I find it weird too, and then I laugh at myself for being more bothered by a 20 year gap than an 880 year gap. (Or is it a 1080 year gap now?) And you're right, no one deserves the Doctor. Except maybe Rose :)

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Swiftflame — Thu, 20 Oct 2011 13:32:16 -0500

I don't think even the Doctor knows how old he is. XD Maybe the TARDIS has a way of keeping track, but it seems like he's just estimating. I have not seen seasons 5 and 6, so I'm afraid I've nothing to say about River and the Doctor. Heh. Heh... But! Guess what! I like that GIF. XD *Small shriek* I just found a Doctor GIF that has STERLING in it! *Hides* Call Nathan Ford and Leverage!

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BlueGonfalon — Fri, 21 Oct 2011 16:58:36 -0500

@Lauri: The wig...looks like a mop. Hence... @Swifty: I like that gif. =D

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SetsunaSakamoto — Fri, 21 Oct 2011 18:47:00 -0500

Pfft, all these GIFs are making me giggle. xD I'm a Doctor Who and Sherlock fan. Haven't seen Merlin. Haven't actually met or talked to anyone who's seen it, so I really don't know anything about it besides it's, you know, about King Arthur-ish-ness. Perhaps I should watch it. Sherlock... had possibly the WORST cliffhanger EVER. I screamed at the TV. Also... Going to try and post this GIF and see if it works. I will marry this man someday... Or at least kiss him.

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Spaghetti7 — Sun, 23 Oct 2011 16:03:41 -0500

The Sherlock cliffhanger is awful! I used to watch tv shows once they were canceled so that I had all the seasons and didn't drive myself crazy waiting for new seasons and new episodes. As you can see... it didn't work out too well. Every time I rewatch the Sherlock episodes I think "Oh yeah, I hate how this ended! Argh!" I was so mad when I found out it was delayed. Now I can't wait for 2012.

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BlueGonfalon — Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:05:26 -0500

Gifs aren't working. :( Buuuttt. I did manage to see Setsuna's gif of Arthur Darvill...isn't he adorable? :D @Spags and Launisch: I KNOW RIGHT???? I JUST WANNA KNOW IF HE'S STILL ALIVE!! SHERLOCK, HERE, VIOLIN!! PLAY IT!! TELL ME IF YOU'RE ALIVE!!!

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Lauriloth — Mon, 24 Oct 2011 15:08:28 -0500

@Spags-Oooowwww! That hurt a lot. :P I am exactly the same way with the gap thing. The real life 20 year gap disturbs me terribly, but I think nothing of the actual hundreds and hundreds of years they are separated in age in the show. Strange... Yes, Rose might be the only one.^_^ The Sherlock cliffhanger was probably the worst cliffhanger in all of history. Oh my goodness, I am about to die!!! D: I do the same thing, Spags. I get all excited rewatching Sherlock and then remember the ending and get all angry and depressed again. Blargh! WHY MUST WE WAIT SO LOOONG?!?! @Blue-I guess we will have to continue our GIF war once the coding starts working again. Sandess... :(

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Spaghetti7 — Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:01:31 -0500

@Lauri! I'm sorry! I want to take it back! I almost take it back. In fact, argh. Nope, I can't quite bring myself to take it back. Don't get me wrong, Tennant is absolutely amazing and I love him to death. But I think his personality was about as friendly, loving, and playful as the Doctor can get before he isn't the Doctor anymore. Matt Smith felt like a necessary step back towards something a lot less human and a lot more alien. And... David Tennant played a brilliant Doctor, Matt Smith sort of is a brilliant Doctor. I mean, I look at him off screen and I think: "What's the difference?" But David Tennant will always be my favourite. No question :) Of course, it's a lot harder to say all that when I'm watching David Tennant. He's... David Tennant *fangirl moment*

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SetsunaSakamoto — Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:06:09 -0500

While David Tennant will ALWAYS be MY Doctor... I do love what Matt Smith has brought to the character. He's much more alien, which I think was needed after 9 and especially 10. I LOVE all the quirks. Can't emphasise that enough. And even though the Doctor isn't a sexual being, Matt still manages to make the intense River-flirting WORK. It's great. They're hilarious. But honestly... The highlight of seasons 5 and 6? Rory. Just... Rory. <3

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Lauriloth — Wed, 26 Oct 2011 15:59:44 -0500

GIFs are working again! Woot, woot! @Blue- Ten is most baffled as to why his future self wold be wearing a fez and holding a mop. ;P [quote=Swiftflame]*Small shriek* I just found a Doctor GIF that has STERLING in it! *Hides* Call Nathan Ford and Leverage! [/quote] Oh yes, Sterling plays in an episode of the newest DW season. Totally awesome!! XD [quote=Spaghetti7] @Lauri! I'm sorry! I want to take it back! I almost take it back. In fact, argh. Nope, I can't quite bring myself to take it back. Don't get me wrong, Tennant is absolutely amazing and I love him to death. But I think his personality was about as friendly, loving, and playful as the Doctor can get before he isn't the Doctor anymore. Matt Smith felt like a necessary step back towards something a lot less human and a lot more alien. And... David Tennant played a brilliant Doctor, Matt Smith sort of is a brilliant Doctor. I mean, I look at him off screen and I think: "What's the difference?" But David Tennant will always be my favourite. No question :) Of course, it's a lot harder to say all that when I'm watching David Tennant. He's... David Tennant *fangirl moment* [/quote] *takes a deep breath* Okay, okay. I will try to forgive you. ;) I have to admit, Matt Smith does play a fine Doctor, so it confuses me why I do not like him so much. I just cannot understand it. I try to like him, and he has so many quirky and silly ways which I normally would love in any sort of character, but I just don't like him. GAH! I cannot figure it out. It is probably Tennant's and all his awesomeness fault. ;P [quote=SetsunaSakamoto]But honestly... The highlight of seasons 5 and 6? Rory. Just... Rory. <3 [/quote] This. Right here. I honestly do not know if I would even liked the newer ones that much if it were not for Rory. Amy annoys me, I do not like Matt Smith, but Rory...oh dear, dear Rory. ^_^ He is too good for Amy. ♥

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sophie — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 04:19:34 -0500

What an awesome combination of a thread! Love all these things! :)

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Yirin — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 05:51:06 -0500

I have no idea how to add pictures but I thought this was a brilliant one for this thread <3 http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lc46ilYSBq1qcne0oo1_500.jpg

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BlueGonfalon — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:03:17 -0500

YES!! YES YIRIN!! THAT'S A PICTURE THAT SPAGS FOUND LAST YEAR AND I HAVEN'T SEEN SINCE THEN OMIGOSH I LOVE YOU FOR FINDING IT!!!! *gloomps* @Spags: That...is hilarious. Just...hilarious. @Lauri: I...don't know if this counts. I'll post it anyway though.

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SetsunaSakamoto — Sat, 29 Oct 2011 14:10:53 -0500

Teehee, fezzes... I was forced to play the new Spyro game yesterday by one of my friends. One of the features is adding stats to your character by having them wear hats. I was playing along and found a red fez. I screamed, then immediately equipped it to my character, while everyone else in the room looked at me funny. And of course, I said, "It's a fez! I wear a fez now, fezzes are cool." And no one got it...

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Lauriloth — Sat, 29 Oct 2011 21:41:26 -0500

[quote=Spaghetti7]You know, I think if I'd watched David Tennant as the series progressed, I wouldn't have accepted Matt Smith quite so easily. First of all, I would've been much more used to Tennant and less willing to let him go. Second, I had the benefit of knowing that Matt Smith was coming next when I watched the series so while it did shock me, I sorta knew it was coming.[/quote] That makes perfect sense. At the time, I had no idea who the new Doctor was going to be, so it was kind of a shock and completely depressing. Still is...:/ Actually though, I did not start Doctor Who when the new ones first aired. It worked out perfectly actually. Because my brother and I decided to go through them all, watching obsessively like 3 or 4 a night. We quite literally finished getting through them all like the very night or just a few nights after the newest one where Matt Smith comes in. It was amazing how perfectly our timing worked, when we did not even mean to. But oh, what wonderful days those were. Watching multiple DW episodes every night. It was TORTURE having to wait every week after that and not have David Tennant anymore. TORTURE!!! D: [quote=Yirin] I have no idea how to add pictures but I thought this was a brilliant one for this thread <3 http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lc46ilYSBq1qcne0oo1_500.jpg [/quote] YES YES YES!!! :D That is our logo. Spags actually found that before and posted it here. I had a complete fangirl attack and saved it on my computer instantly. Still look at it on a constant basis. XD [quote=Spaghetti7]Oh and by the way, for the DoctorDonna fans, if you haven't seen it already, this cracks me up every time I watch it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxB1gB6K-2A [/quote] Oh. My. Gosh. That was one of the funniest things I have ever seen! I almost died!!! AHAHAHAHAHA!! That was epic, just pure epic. [quote=SetsunaSakamoto] Teehee, fezzes... I was forced to play the new Spyro game yesterday by one of my friends. One of the features is adding stats to your character by having them wear hats. I was playing along and found a red fez. I screamed, then immediately equipped it to my character, while everyone else in the room looked at me funny. And of course, I said, "It's a fez! I wear a fez now, fezzes are cool." And no one got it... [/quote] Bwahaha! That is epic!!! XDDD @Blue-

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BlueGonfalon — Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:57:38 -0500

Setsuna, you are my new best friend. <3 That is amazing. @Lauri:

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Spaghetti7 — Sun, 30 Oct 2011 17:05:29 -0500

[quote=Lauriloth] Actually though, I did not start Doctor Who when the new ones first aired. It worked out perfectly actually. Because my brother and I decided to go through them all, watching obsessively like 3 or 4 a night. We quite literally finished getting through them all like the very night or just a few nights after the newest one where Matt Smith comes in. It was amazing how perfectly our timing worked, when we did not even mean to. But oh, what wonderful days those were. Watching multiple DW episodes every night. It was TORTURE having to wait every week after that and not have David Tennant anymore. TORTURE!!! D: [/quote] Oh the good old glory days... I remember them too. Watching multiple brand new episodes of David Tennant on a daily basis... *sigh* I tried to make them last, really I did, but I think it averaged out to a little less than a season a week and even then, seasons 2 and 4 went by a LOT faster. Still, that month and a half of daily Doctor Who was one of the most amazing months ever :) ~~And on the topic of Doctor Who fanfiction...~~ Me? Writing fluffy fanfiction? No. Never. Not once. I learned my lesson a long time ago with fanfiction and I swore I'd never write it again after the '07 incident which shall not be mentioned. I most definitely would not break my rule about not writing fanfiction, even when it came to Doctor Who. Definitely.

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Rahnawyn101 — Sun, 30 Oct 2011 19:47:34 -0500

Lol, oh gads. This is the perfect thread for me. Doctor Who, Merlin, and Sherlock are in my very top shows. :D (Along with random other sci-fi shows like SGA and Farscape. <

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Tigers Eyes — Fri, 04 Nov 2011 16:12:09 -0500

I've been staring at the title for a while now, wondering if this could possibly be what I thought it was- and it IS <33 The of my favorite shows!!

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Swiftflame — Fri, 04 Nov 2011 18:43:59 -0500

Look, another nerdy fan with the Doctor for an avvie! *Imitates Ten's grin*

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Spaghetti7 — Sat, 05 Nov 2011 14:39:59 -0500

Things have definitely slowed down here since the beginning of November. Anyways, I realized that although I've managed to keep time travel out of my novel (very narrowly) I realized I've got a couple of characters exibiting time lord behaviour. *sigh* I should've seen this coming.

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BlueGonfalon — Sun, 06 Nov 2011 18:40:08 -0600

*bump* Ahahahaha, poor Spags! None of my characters have done that, so far.... Wait. Aoife is exhibiting Amy/Rose behaviour. It's...frightening! Lauri? LAURI!! WHERE ARE YOU??/?

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BlueGonfalon — Mon, 07 Nov 2011 19:07:44 -0600

*bump again* Soooo, for all you Merlin fans! I have three songs here, that someone composed for the series. They're all brilliant. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL6KPBIuO5s&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pij3eC2PFSE&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OSd9e-TLq0&feature=related Please enjoy! :D

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Swiftflame — Tue, 08 Nov 2011 13:46:30 -0600

*Bumps again* There you go, my dear! *Sits back and puts on a fez, which I sadly don't have* Eleven is so funny. He and Ten are currently ina fanfic I'm writing. *Doesn't know whether to facepalm or grin* Alternate happenings. Eleven was just let out of the Pandorica... And something else was in there as well... But! Don't tell anyone... I never meant to write fanfic, but you know how Ten is...

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Lauriloth — Fri, 11 Nov 2011 19:14:42 -0600

I'm so sorry I have not been here in ages!!! D: Ever since NaNo started I've just been like...completely swamped and this thread got put on the back burner. Blue has been yelling at me to come on here, so here I am!! :D I'm sorry!!! @Blue- [quote=Spaghetti7]Oh the good old glory days... I remember them too. Watching multiple brand new episodes of David Tennant on a daily basis... *sigh* I tried to make them last, really I did, but I think it averaged out to a little less than a season a week and even then, seasons 2 and 4 went by a LOT faster. Still, that month and a half of daily Doctor Who was one of the most amazing months ever :) [/quote] Glory days. Yes, that is what they are called. I miss them so much. :( [quote=SetsunaSakamoto] :P I write strictly canon things. Speculative things a lot too, but only before certain things are revealed. Like my super long River-is-actually-Donna fic that SHOULD have been real, but wasn't... *shakes fist at Moffat* [/quote] A River is actually Donna thing? Woooow. What an idea!! Although, I love Donna and do not like River, so I am not sure how I feel about it, but goodness, that is a thought isn't it. Very clever idea!^^ @Blue-I do not have time to listen to those songs but I definitely will because you always put up the best. Just have to do it later. :(

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vampirequeen — Sun, 13 Nov 2011 17:44:25 -0600

I belong in here! Doctor Who: Love it, but haven't been keeping up with it, because i lack the channels on my TV. I shall someday catch up! *shakes fist* Merlin: I've seen a few episodes, and really like it, but haven't really felt like catching up recently. I need to do this. Sherlock: OH DEAR LORD, Sherlock. Obsessed would be an understatement. I'm in love with this show. I hd seen thefirst two episodes a few months ago, but never got a chance to see it. And then I rewatched the first two last night with a friend. Then we watched the third one...needless to say, there was much clutching on to each other for support during the last 10 minutes. And lots of screaming at the laptop.

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BlueGonfalon — Mon, 14 Nov 2011 14:02:26 -0600

I'm so excited for your fanfic Swifty!!! :D @Lauri: Oh...sorry! I didn't mean to yell or anything! I just said stuff loudly, because I have to make sure you could hear me in the different time stream you are in. :-/ I'm sorry dearest. <3 Forgive? And lol, thank you for that. Yes, listen to them. They will help your writing, I am sure. :D HI GRACE!!

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Spaghetti7 — Tue, 15 Nov 2011 08:54:50 -0600

This is slightly off topic but... has anyone here seen David Tennant's Hamlet? I've realized that had I been able to see him preform it live I would not have been able to remain in my seat. It's probably a good thing that I've got the movie version so that when I jump off the couch and get all worked up over how brilliant everything is, it doesn't throw him off.

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Lauriloth — Tue, 15 Nov 2011 15:59:56 -0600

@Setsuna-Oooh. I need to go check it out! :D @Blue- Oooh! I was just kidding. I know you were not literally yelling at me like that. No worries!^^ I think I am running out of Tennant GIFs. O.o I needz to find more. Tha...that music. O___O *dies from the pure wonderfulness* THANK YOU FOR SHARING!!!!!!!! And you were right about it helping my writing. I was not even planning on writing anymore today and now I want to. @Spags-I have wanted to see that for the longest but I have not. I really, REALLY want to though. You think something like Netflix would have it? Is it really good? Well...it has Tennant in it, I guess it would be, wouldn't it? XD

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Spaghetti7 — Tue, 15 Nov 2011 22:22:39 -0600

I don't live in the states so I've got Net(notavailableinCanada)flix which to nobody's surprise, does not have David Tennant's Hamlet. Or anybody's Hamlet, as far as I know *sigh* I put a hold on it at my local library but there were a couple of people in front of me and I got impatient so I found it somewhere else online instead of waiting for it. I figure by the time my hold comes in, I'll want to watch it again anyways :) Really though, it's amazing. At first it took me a while to get used to it because he is quite spazzy and tends to make a lot of crazy wild hand gestures just in regular conversation. It's like he's doing an interpretive dance to go along with his lines. But once you get used to it, I think he's the perfect blend of raving lunatic and tortured genius. I forgot all about Doctor Who and he just became Hamlet for me in a way that's never happened with other adaptations I've seen. I mentioned it to my old English teacher the other day since the version of Hamlet he showed us in class was absolutely awful but he said he'd seen this one and wasn't too impressed with it, especially since he thought it was way too long and tedious. I guess it's not everyone's cup of tea but for me... this is MY brand of Hamlet!

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BlueGonfalon — Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:35:59 -0600

@Lauri: How can you be running out of Tennant Gifs? Is that even possible?! And yay! So glad you liked them! :DI find them gorgeous too. :) @Spags: I WANNA SEE IT SO BAD!! Maybe one day.

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vampirequeen — Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:15:06 -0600

I ADORE Tennant's Hamlet. It's my favourite version! And not just for Tennant. I loved pretty much everything about it. Hamlet is my favourite play ever and I was so happy with that version.

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Spaghetti7 — Sat, 19 Nov 2011 10:05:21 -0600

Alright, this is me, posting here, officially, that I'm finally going to start getting caught up on the new season of Merlin. Everybody heard that? Loud and clear? Okay then, we have an understanding. Hold me to it. I've seen the first two or three episodes and I have to say my initial reaction is still: Where did all the camp go?! I guess I should be pleased that they've almost got a well put together tv show going here, but a part of me is still sad that we've moved on from the old days of silliness and animated questing beasts and repetative plot devices.

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Lauriloth — Tue, 22 Nov 2011 23:31:09 -0600

@Blue- Oh, it is not that there are not enough Tennant GIFs, it is that I personally do not have many more to use. I cannot go search for GIFs often because it kills our bandwidth, so I always just have a limited few. I need to go find some more soon....:/ But there is an infinite amount of Tennant everywhere so... Yeah. :P @Spags-You have not seen the new episodes yet??? :O :O :O I know what you mean, it is kind of sad, but still, the new ones are soooo epic that it kind of makes up for them veering away from the repetitive silliness that it once was. I personally think this season is the best yet. And they still provide plenty of humor when needed. XD Okay, guys, I found the best thing ever. Look: *dies* Look at their faces and...and...*bursts into tears* It just...I don't know. I loveth it so much. Despite all those two do and say, you know they really do care for each other, and nothing shows it more than that moment. *sniffles*

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BlueGonfalon — Wed, 23 Nov 2011 11:28:05 -0600

@Lauri: Omigawd...that gif of Merlin and Arthur... And yeah, the new episodes are like a professional TV show. And they're amazing, with brilliant story lines, plot twists, and such...but...they're scary and dark. And while I love that, I do miss our old Merlin, back when he was still a young boy. BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE 'EM ANY LESS EPIC!!

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Spaghetti7 — Tue, 29 Nov 2011 09:26:02 -0600

Okay, a couple of spoilers about the new Merlin series... WHY?! In the name of all manner of things did Lancelot have to come back?! I mean, I figured he would but ugh, I really do not like that guy. Although now that he's leaning a little more towards the dark side I might ease up on him. Just a little. Still, I find it funny how they're trying to get around the fact that he was a nice guy who is supposed to end up seducing Arthur's wife :P

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Lauriloth — Fri, 02 Dec 2011 15:09:22 -0600

Now that NaNo is over I am hoping I can come here more often. Woot! :D @Blue- Well, Tennant looks way better in glasses than Smith, so... And I think I've used the one before, but you set up a way too good opportunity for it. Couldn't pass that up. XD Isn't that GIF of Merlin and Arthur just...GAH! I get teary eyed just looking at it. @Spags- :O You...you don't like Lancelot?? We actually disagree on something! I think this is the first. :( I adore Lancelot from the show. He is one of my favorites honestly. <3 And actually, in the Arthurian Legends he was considered the greatest of the knights of the round table and like a brother to Arthur, until what he did with Guinevere and all that. But they actually set that up correctly in the show sort of. Anyways, I declared the newest episode, "Lancelot Du Lac", the saddest Merlin episode yet. I cried and cried and cried and CRIED. Pathetic...I know. :/ I'm going to be lazy and copy and past what I wrote on the Merlin thread here. MAJOR Spoilers for Lancelot Du Lac First of all, I thought (or perhaps just hoped) we were going to get wonderful Lancelot back for good. Not impersonate Lancelot. Not only do we have to watch him die once, now we have to watch him die twice and this time we know it is for good. I couldn't handle it. I mean seriously. I still cannot handle it. Oh gosh...*sniffles* Then Gwen. OH GOSH GWEN!!! How could Arthur do that? It is no fair. That was so SAD! I could not handle this episode, guys. I still get teary eyed thinking about it. No joke. End Spoilers

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BlueGonfalon — Fri, 02 Dec 2011 15:52:14 -0600

[quote=Lauriloth] Now that NaNo is over I am hoping I can come here more often. Woot! :D @Blue- Well, Tennant looks way better in glasses than Smith, so... [/quote] You maketh the Doctor sad, Lauri! How could you??? :( Dang it! I wanna watch all these Merlin episodes!! :(

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Spaghetti7 — Fri, 02 Dec 2011 20:01:24 -0600

Aw, I'm sorry Lauri :( I just hate the whole thing with him and Gwen. If it hadn't been for that, I'm sure I would've loved him. It's not that I like Arthur and Gwen, it's just the idea of him being such a nice guy and then turning around and doing something like that... I just can't look at him without thinking, "Yeah, right you stupid double crosser!" I guess in this version of events I do feel sorry for him rather than hating him, but he's still based off the Lancelot from the legend so I've got a huge prejudice.

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Spaghetti7 — Mon, 05 Dec 2011 19:45:26 -0600

Okay, stay calm. Ready for this? I've found two trailers for the next season of Sherlock BUT they're only about 10 seconds long each. Still, if you haven't seen them, they're great little teasers. the first one looks pretty cool and sounds very Sherlock-esque which makes me grin ridiculously at my computer screen. the second one is not as exciting, but you do get to see Irene Adler :)

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Keladryie — Thu, 08 Dec 2011 09:44:29 -0600

Sherlock Season Two has an airdate! According to Moffat and Gatiss on twitter, the first episode of Season Two shall show on BBC1 at 8.10pm on the first of January :)

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Spaghetti7 — Thu, 08 Dec 2011 18:01:14 -0600

YES! That is amazing! I was hoping for January but the 1st? Oh, it really couldn't get better than that! Also, something equally brilliant but unrelated to Sherlock: http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/videos/p00m7qjb My day has officially met my prefered "brilliant things" quota :D

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Lauriloth — Fri, 09 Dec 2011 13:39:39 -0600

@Blue- Look what you have done, Blue. The guilt is getting to him. @Spags-Don't be sorry! We all have our own opinions. ;) And I do understand your side. It does make me rather mad at Lancelot. I like how they did it in the show, kind of made it where he kept his dignity if you know what I mean. SHERLOCK TRAILERS!!! EEEEEE!!!!!!!! :D And it is starting back on the first of January? Really?!?! Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes!!!! :D @Spags again-Oooh! The video was interesting. Poor Doctor. :( He misses his companion. *sniff* I cannot wait for the Christmas special. I mean, Doctor Who and Narnia? Two of my most favoritest things on the planet. CANNOT WAIT!

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bobo_the_bard — Fri, 09 Dec 2011 22:31:55 -0600

I can't believe I found this thread only now. Doctor Merlock! XD I almost didn't click on it because I had never heard of anything called 'Doctor Merlock' and then I thought...hey...this sounds familiar... I am ashamed to say that I have never seen Merlin, even though it is waiting for me in my Netflix queue. =P I absolutely love Doctor Who, and after watching one episode of Sherlock, I am very much hooked. Benedict Cumberbatch as Sherlock has a new fan. =) January 1st can't come fast enough.

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vampirequeen — Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:20:42 -0600

Arrrrrgh, I cannot, CANNOT wait till January 1st. So far I have avoided spoilers. I can't wait!

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BlueGonfalon — Tue, 13 Dec 2011 22:02:32 -0600

@Lauri: He's pleased with himself. I...just found something pretty awesome.

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Spaghetti7 — Wed, 14 Dec 2011 00:22:03 -0600

Can I just say right now that I love Craig? I just rewatched The Closing Time and everything about it still makes me laugh. I've decided that "Stormageddon" would be the perfect companion for the Doctor :) I mean come on, we all know that this whole thing with River isn't going to last forever and once they're timelines stop intersecting he'll need somebody. Obviously Craig himself isn't quite adventerous enough to be a full time companion, but anyone who decides to name themselves "Stormageddon Dark Lord of All" definitely seems up to the task :)

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Lauriloth — Wed, 14 Dec 2011 15:14:51 -0600

@Blue- And that other GIF (GIFs?) is hilarious. XD [quote=bobo_the_bard]I am ashamed to say that I have never seen Merlin, even though it is waiting for me in my Netflix queue. =P I absolutely love Doctor Who, and after watching one episode of Sherlock, I am very much hooked. Benedict Cumberbatch as Sherlock has a new fan. =) [/quote] First of all, welcome to the thread! Second, WATCH MERLIN!!! It is the best thing ever. ;D [quote=Spaghetti7] Can I just say right now that I love Craig? I just rewatched The Closing Time and everything about it still makes me laugh. I've decided that "Stormageddon" would be the perfect companion for the Doctor :) I mean come on, we all know that this whole thing with River isn't going to last forever and once they're timelines stop intersecting he'll need somebody. Obviously Craig himself isn't quite adventerous enough to be a full time companion, but anyone who decides to name themselves "Stormageddon Dark Lord of All" definitely seems up to the task :) [/quote] YESH! Craig is awesome! And "Stormageddon". Oh my goodness gracious. XD You are so right, that would be AWESOME if he was a future companion! Oh, so, so awesome.

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Spaghetti7 — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 20:41:23 -0600

Okay, there are so many cool things and tidbits and whatnots coming out for Doctor Who and Sherlock, I can hardly keep up with everything that's being thrown at me! First, three short clips from the Christmas special! Second, a wonderful review of Sherlock, (don't worry, there aren't any spoilers in it!) that has me practically shaking my computer screen demanding that January 1st hurry up and get here already!

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Spaghetti7 — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 20:43:18 -0600

Oh and one more thing, Lauri? Blue? I love your gifs to death :) (No really, I see there's a new post and I get excited about the possibility of a new gif. I don't think it's normal.)

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Evangaline656 — Sun, 18 Dec 2011 20:05:27 -0600

I finally caught up with Merlin! And... Wow. This week's episode? Yeah. Wow. That wasn't too spoilerific, was it?

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Spaghetti7 — Thu, 22 Dec 2011 11:59:40 -0600

I'm going to catch up on Merlin before the year ends, really I will! Things got busy and now with Christmas right around the corner, I really don't have the time. But you know what? Three more sleeps till Christmas and the Doctor Who special! Which means I should start Christmas shopping soon.

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Lauriloth — Thu, 22 Dec 2011 15:19:54 -0600

Eeeeee! Loooved those clips of the DW special. It is so close! I'm spazzing here! And that review for Sherlock. *dying* It just made me even more excited...if that was even possible. O.o Thank you, Spags, for sharing!^_^ I enjoy our GIFs as well, do not worry. ;) And as far as it not being normal...well, are any of us normal here? XD You haven't watched all the Merlins yet? :O YOU MUST! NOA!!!! Oh so gooood. I am kind of bordering on depression just knowing there is only one more left of this season. What am I gonna dooo? D:

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Spaghetti7 — Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:17:30 -0600

I KNOW! It's Christmas time and there's awesome stuff going on and Doctor Who and Sherlock and the Merlin season ender and AAAAAH! I think I'm gonna explode from sheer excitement for all the wonderful things that are happening! I love Christmas :)

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Spaghetti7 — Mon, 26 Dec 2011 13:15:16 -0600

Okay, double post, but this needs to be said. First of all: I got a sonic screwdriver for Christmas :D :D :D So far, I haven't managed to get it to do much, aside from the fact that the noise and the light freak out my cat so you know, that must count for something. Clearly the cat understands that I'm using an object of immense power. Spoilers for the Doctor Who Christmas Special! Okay, did we read that? Are we clear? And the people still reading are only those who have already seen it? Good. I have to say, first of all, that I was a little bit disappointed by the weird tree people and the general plot. The script on the other hand, was amazing as always. I loved when he said "humany-wumany", it wasn't quite "timey-wimey" but hey, David Tennant is pretty hard to live up to :) Also, I loved seeing the Ponds in there. I laughed at the fact that Amy still calls Rory "Mr. Pond". I wouldn't be surprised if it's actually his legal name. I also completely understand what Steven Moffat meant when he said that the 11th Doctor, more than any other, was made for Christmas. The house was amazing, I'd love to have him for an interior decorator. And although I haven't quite watched all of the doctors, I'm quite certain that out of all of them, Matt Smith is the one who would always put on a helmet backwards and not be able to get it off :)

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BlueGonfalon — Mon, 26 Dec 2011 18:37:27 -0600

I HAVE RETURNED!! @Lauri: Now, we all knew the Doctor was something of a hypocrite. Watch him roll his eyes at Ten's dancing when Eleven was just dancing around a few days ago! But we can ignore that because of all his other lovely qualities. Right? Riiighhhttt? THOSE CLIPS! AND THAT REVIEW! AND LARA PULVER!! *spasms* LAURI! LARA PULVER WAS IN ROBIN HOOD! SHE WAS THE FEMALE SHERIFF! GUY'S SISTER!!! *spasms again* ...gosh, I need to see this DW special! I WANT TO SO BAD!!

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Lauriloth — Tue, 27 Dec 2011 15:22:19 -0600

[quote=BlueGonfalon]Now, we all knew the Doctor was something of a hypocrite. Watch him roll his eyes at Ten's dancing when Eleven was just dancing around a few days ago! But we can ignore that because of all his other lovely qualities. Right? Riiighhhttt?[/quote] Ten does not seem to think so. Nope. [quote=BlueGonfalon]THOSE CLIPS! AND THAT REVIEW! AND LARA PULVER!! *spasms* LAURI! LARA PULVER WAS IN ROBIN HOOD! SHE WAS THE FEMALE SHERIFF! GUY'S SISTER!!! *spasms again*[/quote] THAT WAS ISABELLA?!?!?! She is going to be in Sherlock? *dies* AAAAHHHHHH!!!!! I CANNOT WAIT!!!! :D :D :D Doctor Who Christmas Special Spoilers! I agree with everything you said, Spags! Completely. It was a great episode, but I think I liked the other Christmas specials better. Still loved it though!^_^ I just about died at the whole beginning where he was showing them the house. What was the line about the chairs being pointless with no TV? I died. That was so hilarious! My like points for Eleven went up much higher just from that scene. He's so ridiculous. XD Adored the ending, too. Amy answering the door with a water gun. *giggles* She never changes. Also, there could not be any chance that the girl (Lily, was it?) could be the next companion when she is older perhaps? You know how it is the signature thing that when the Doctor holds somebody's hand they are going to be his companion? Well, he held her hand a couple of times. That might not count being as how she was young as such. Just wondering. I think she would make a cool companion! :D That whole family was ridiculous. Lolzy. I loved how the mom just took everything in stride. She did not let the complete bizarreness of everything bother her a bit. They would be a good family for the Doctor to have around methinks. Probably not gonna happen, but I cam dream. ;) End Spoilers

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BlueGonfalon — Tue, 27 Dec 2011 15:43:30 -0600

GIMME!! SPAGS, PLEASE!! GIMME THING YOU WERE HINTING AT THAT I REALLY NEED!! PLEASEEEEEE!!! @Lauri: Eleven thinks so. YES! SHE WAS ISABELLA!! *flails wildly* ...whoa. It's like...all our favorite shows are having a crossover thing. o.O

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Spaghetti7 — Mon, 02 Jan 2012 13:41:42 -0600

Now I'm not in any way trying to get myself mixed up in your ongoing gif war, but this was too funny for me to pass up. (I'm crossing my fingers, hoping it works.) On to... A Scandal in Belgravia! (I'll try to keep things relatively spoiler free) I have to say I was incredibly impressed. This whole time, despite it all, I've been a little bit nervous about Irene Adler. I mean she's The Woman. It would be so incredible easy for this brilliant series to go crashing down into the ground if they simply managed to mess up this one character and her relationship with Sherlock. But every time I think I've gotten used to Steven Moffat, that I finally know what he's capable of, he goes and blows me away again. It stayed true to the cannon in all the ways that matter and translated the story perfectly into a modern setting. In fact, if anything, there were a few things that worked better in a modern setting than they did in the original story. It was great to see Lestrade, Molly, and Mrs. Hudson again and the way everything came together in the end made me want to stand up and give the whole team a standing ovation. I'm also not sure if it's because I'm getting used to Steven Moffat and Sherlock, but after watching it twice, I realized that I managed to get everything the first time round with minimal confusion. Of course, I still appreciated a lot of the story more the second time around when my mind wasn't working overtime trying to figure everything out :) Any ways, I'll give you all a chance to watch it if you haven't already and stop typing before I have to create a spoilers section.

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Lauriloth — Wed, 04 Jan 2012 16:33:50 -0600

@Blue- [quote=BlueGonfalon]...whoa. It's like...all our favorite shows are having a crossover thing. o.O [/quote] I guess there are some perks to all our favorite shows being from the same channel. XD [quote=Spaghetti7]@Lauri: I never noticed the handholding thing. I will now take note of this while I rewatch the old Doctor Who episodes. (I'm going through them slowly, just from time to time, still in season 2 and loving it *dreamy sigh*)[/quote] Do you mean the old, old ones? Or just the old ones of New Who? If that makes sense...:/ Because I have no idea if that rule applies to Classic Who. I've only seen the very first 11 episodes of it thus far sadly. I'm extremely curious about the next companion myself. I agree with you completely though, I want another Donna Noble. I honestly think she was the best for him out of all. He just needed a buddy, not someone drooling over him all the time. Personally I think I would like a completely new person. A guy would be...interesting. It might be fun actually. I always liked the bits with just the Doctor and Rory. GAH! I cannot wait to know!!! [quote=Spaghetti7][/quote] Oh, oh, OH! I think Blue posted that one on this thread last year. Isn't it just the best! I LOVE IT SO MUCH! There is also this: *fangirl scream* [quote=Spaghetti7]Any ways, I'll give you all a chance to watch it if you haven't already and stop typing before I have to create a spoilers section. [/quote] I WATCHED IT LAST NIGHT! :D :D :D Make a spoilers section! Pleeease? I want to hear all of your opinions on it.

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Spaghetti7 — Wed, 04 Jan 2012 20:51:51 -0600

Haha, I should've known that there's hardly a gif on the web related to Merlin, Doctor Who, or Sherlock that you and Blue haven't already dug up :P I probably didn't remember it because it was posted before I started watching the Doctor. (I can't believe it hasn't even been a year since I got into that show! It feels like it's always been there...) @Lauri: I'm actually going through the Old Who and the old New Who right now. Both of them slowly and only occasionally. I've got school now so the days where I sat around watching 4 episodes a day are over. I've also been watching the Doctor Who Confidential a bit and I keep laughing to myself as I realize more and more that there's hardly a difference between Matt Smith and the 11th Doctor :P Now onto... SHERLOCK SPOILERS Oh where to begin? Well, if there was one thing that might've disappointed me, it was the opening scene with Moriarty. No, obviously it didn't need to be a long drawn out thing but at the same time it felt a bit anti-climactic after waiting a year to see how that scene would play out. Still, the disappointment only lasted for a few seconds the first time I watched it, after that, I got so wrapped up in the story that I completely forgot about the beginning :) I loved the bit with Molly at the Christmas party and how Sherlock actually bothered to make an apology to her. No, I don't think it'll change his behaviour towards her one bit now that he finally knows she has a crush on him--in fact, if anything, he forgot about it before the end of the night, but it did show a surprisingly human side to him. Ditto goes for the scene with Mrs. Hudson. It was odd (in a good sort of way) to see him so protective of her, even when John suggested that she leave Baker Street :) I know there were a few complaints about the content in the show, considering it showed on a Sunday afternoon in Britain and it definitely took things up a step from the last season, but honestly, I didn't really think about it when I watched it. The involvement of the British royal family did however raise my eyebrows a little. Now this may sound odd, but I'm not quite sure I liked the way Sherlock managed to sort of catch her in the end with the phone. I know, she did manage to mess things up for Mycroft, but really, Sherlock was a means to an end, nothing more. I guess the result is the same, and in an odd sort of way, it is true to the cannon... I don't really know what about it I didn't like. In fact, it's probably just the fact that she wasn't quite was I expected. Brilliant, but very different. Also, the little clip at the end seemed to be bordering on cheesy. Personally, I would've been just fine if she had actually died in the end. I mean, I love Irene Adler and all, but I would've liked her to either have outsmarted Sherlock and gotten away free or been killed for fiddling around with so many powerful people. Having Sherlock run out and rescue her just seems a bit weak, on both their parts. Hmm... I guess I did have a few complaints after all. Really though, I thought it was brilliant. The scene at her house with the safe was beautifully done and I loved the way they shot the scene when they were discussing the boomerang victim. And of course, as usual, I love the way they paste text messages on the walls as Sherlock is reading them. Oh, and the shot of them wearing the traditional Sherlock and Watson hats made me laugh. Of course John would put that picture of Sherlock on his blog :) Oh yes, and John's big "I'M NOT GAY." declaration made me laugh. Maybe that's why he's so desperate to try and hold onto a girlfriend despite his connection to Sherlock.

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BlueGonfalon — Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:30:32 -0600

@Lauri: NO! MUST. NOT. READ. SPOILERS. MUST. WATCH. IT. WHEN. IT. COMES. OUT. KEEP AWAY, SHERLOCK!

Re: Doctor Merlock

Spaghetti7 — Sat, 21 Jan 2012 13:13:41 -0600

10 days and no new posts? *dusts off the thread* Well, I've already posted a slightly rambling and confused review of Scandal in Belgravia so I guess it's time to pick apart the last two episodes :) SPOILERS for Hounds of Baskerville followed by SPOILERS for Reichenbach Fall The first thing I have to say is that out of the 6 episodes so far, this one really sticks out. Maybe it's because it's got a more haunted, creepy sort of mood, but I have to say that although the episode itself was great, I'm not too sure I like the way it was done, especially when you hold it up to the original story and in light of the other episodes. The dialogue was great, and I loved Sherlock's apology to John, even if I cringed a little at the "I don't have friends, I just have one" thing because honestly, it seemed slightly out of character and just a tad cheesy. (Although if we want to talk about out of character moments, why on earth did Sherlock know about an Elvis Presley song when he doesn't know anything about pop culture, politics, or the world at large? Still, the whole "mind palace" thing was a pretty cool sequence.) As far as the last episode... I thought it was brilliant. I wasn't too sure about the fact that Moffat and Gatiss were leaving the episode to the third, lesser known writer, especially since I'd say that in the first season, the Blind Banker wasn't quite as good as A Study in Pink or The Great Game but I was blown away. I didn't exactly like the scene with Molly and Sherlock right at the end. Yes, I know she obviously had something to do with him faking his own death, but taken out of context, it seemed almost like some sort of crazy love confession. I'm inclined to think that Sherlock did it in order to manipulate her a little bit, because let's face it, he's not exactly in tune with his feelings but he IS a brilliant actor. I'm also quite convinced that Moriarty really is dead, although it's possible it was faked I don't think that they would have deviated from the actual stories that much. This article does a great job of summing up all of the big theories and conjectures. Although I think they forgot one rather important thing: The fact that Sherlock didn't follow John when John heard that Mrs. Hudson had been shot. Way out of character, even John noticed, so I'm assuming that Sherlock set it up because he needed time with Molly to work out one of the issues for his suicide. I'm also wondering exactly who made the phone call to John about Mrs. Hudson because I'm pretty sure it didn't come up in the episode. It's not a big thing, but I am surprised it wasn't mentioned. Then of course there's Moffat's clue that everyone missed, so I'm not gonna pretend like I've got it figured out because between him, Gatiss and Steve Thompson, I'm sure there are half a dozen things that the combination of all the fans across the internet couldn't guess. I do however plan on rewatching the episode again to see if I can get anything else out of it. Sherlock obviously figured out that he'd be dying quite early in the episode so the clues were probably being dropped long before the audience realized there was anything to look for in the first place.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lauriloth — Sat, 21 Jan 2012 15:40:22 -0600

Meep! I've been meaning to come in here for weeks and look at me, I haven't yet. O.o I'm a terrible person. I'm sorry! Okay, okay. So much to cover, I do not know where to start. O.o How about Tennant's lovely face... @Blue- Now then...SHERLOCK! :D A Scandal in Belgravia Spoilers Personally, I kind of loved how they solved the problem at the beginning. A big climatic thing would definitely have been nice, but I laughed so hard when his phone rang that I just didn't care. The funny parts are my favorite so I thought it was great. XD As far as the rest of the episode, it was really, really good but I was pretty upset about all the content. I was always pleased that Sherlock stayed fairly clean, so I was genuinely upset about it all. All that aside, it was still good. I did not like that Sherlock really did seem to kind of fall for Irene though. That was my biggest annoyance in the Hollywood movies is all the silly romance. Sherlock does not care about that. It was not nearly as bad in the show as the movies, but still. I am in quandary about how I feel about the ending. When Mycroft was saying she was dead my first reaction was, "Oh good, that's a relief." And yet then when they show Sherlock saving her I squeed to no end for some reason. It was just so...I don't know. I loved it! So I guess I would have been happy either way. I totally loved all the texts, too.^_^ When he was going through them all at the very end I kept pausing so I could read each of them. There was a lot of amusing ones. XD End Next! The Hounds of Baskerville Spoilers This one...hm...I don't know. To me this one just did not feel like Sherlock. I think it is my least favorite out of all six episodes. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed it immensely, there was just some things that bothered me. The biggest thing is how Sherlock reacted to everything. He did not seem like Sherlock for the whole episode. Would he really get that freaked out over seeing the dog? Seriously? That was just kind of silly. Or did I miss something and he wasn't really? I just didn't get why he was acting like that. It was a pretty fun episode though. I laughed so hard when Sherlock revealed to John that he was freaking Watson out in that room the whole time. XDD Loved it. Is this all I have to say about this one? Guess so... *shrugs* End Annnd.... The Reichenbach Fall Spoilers Okay, this one was really great! I am not sure what to even say except...SHERLOOOOCK!!!! D: D: D: So much confusion. O.o Even though I just said I hate any romance stuff with Irene and such, I kind of awwwed so much when he was nice to Molly. Or when he is nice to John, Mrs. Hudson, anyone. It is just good to know he does care sometimes. I think he genuinely does. With John and Mrs. Hudson at least. Also, when John got the phone call about Mrs. Hudson I was thinking the whole time that Sherlock knew for sure she was not really shot. Because I'm pretty sure he would have gone with John either way. In fact, it might have been Sherlock that caused the call to come in the first place so John would leave. So I'm with you there, I assume Sherlock knew the truth in some way or another. I'm pretty positive Molly helped out to fake his death. How? I do not even have a guess. So there is a clue everyone missed, eh? Well, I know for sure I'll never find it. I'm terrible at figuring these things out in these kind of shows. In fact, constantly even when they reveal the big mystery I still do not get it. Heh. It's true. My mind is made of fail. Anyways. I totally sobbed at the end. John's little speech at the ending...*sniff* Just lovely. Now I am wondering how on earth I'm going to wait so long for the next ones. O.o End I'll stop in just a minute, I promise, just one more thing. To me, this entire season in general just did not live up to Sherlock standards. The first season blows me away every time I watch those three episodes, no matter how many times I see them. But this season, while it was good and everything, it was not Sherlock good. I was actually quite disappointed. This is probably just my personal opinion though. How did you feel about it?

Re: Doctor Merlock

Spaghetti7 — Sun, 22 Jan 2012 00:19:04 -0600

First of all, don't ever worry about posting too long of a reply. My obsessive fan girling would probably allow me to read an entire dissertation on your opinions of a single Sherlock episode without getting bored. Scandal in Belgravia I didn't think about it too much the first time I watched it, but now that I've seen it again and thought about it, I do agree with you about the content issue. Personally, I didn't mind too much that it was in there, simply because the actual content was kept (if just barely) off screen. But now I'm asking myself: Was it necessary? And seeing as the answer is a resounding NO, I really think Moffat took it too far. Of course, I think British television has looser standards than North American ones so it could be a bit of a culture difference as well. Still, in comparison with the other five, the content stands out in the same way that the style of the Hounds of Baskerville does. And the whole romance thing between them--UGH! I thought it would be a lot worse so when I watched it I was relieved that they didn't start an actual relationship between Sherlock and Adler but the few things that are there make me cringe. Especially that awful ending. I'm sorry but she should've died or Mycroft's story about her escape should've been true. I mean come on, Sherlock running off to save the damsel in distress? (I'm starting to think that my opinion of these episodes declines as time goes by from when I last watched them. Really, they are brilliant. There is literally nothing out there that comes anywhere near Sherlock. I guess no matter how wonderful a show is, there'll always be something to complain about, eh?) Hounds of Baskerville I love how when we say "least favourite episode" it just means "I give this 100/10 instead of 1000/10" :P I think the reason Sherlock freaked out about the hound was because up until that case, he had always been able to trust his powers of observation and deduction. To have those fail him completely upset his fundamental identity. In fact, I'm actually not at all surprised at how he freaked out. If he couldn't trust his own eyes seeing the hound, what other things had he observed incorrectly? And I think it only made matters worse that John was doing perfectly fine, made him feel that much weaker. I loved the moment when Sherlock told John he had locked him down in the basement! I watched that episode with a friend and we were killing ourselves laughing when it showed the flashback with him talking to John on the cellphone and playing all those growling noises to freak him out. Poor John :) Reichenbach Fall It's okay, I'm awful at figuring these things out too. I just like to know all the theories so that at least I can feel clever for listening in on all the smart things people are saying, haha. I did however notice one more thing. John's blog had a video posted. I'm not sure if you can see it outside the UK or not so I've got a youtube link to it as well. It's a news report about Sherlock's death but what I noticed was that they DIDN'T mention the body of Moriarty/Richard Brook on the roof. Possible they wanted to keep it short and simple but it seems like a pretty important detail to leave out. John's speech at the end was amazing! Oh my goodness, I got so worked up watching it, hoping that Sherlock would step out from behind a tree or something and interrupt him but at the same time wanting to hear how his speech would end. It just made me love John that much more :) End Overall, I will say that plot-wise, this season doesn't stand up to the last one. Especially since the episodes didn't exactly build on top of each other the way the first series did. Still brilliant, but not quite the same. However, I think that the character development and the dialogue were top-notch and at least on par with the last series. (Minus one or two things that seemed out of character.) I didn't realize it until today but A Scandal in Belgravia isn't even set to air on tv in Canada until May so I guess it'll be a while before I get a chance to buy this series which makes me kinda sad. On the other hand, it will come out in time for me to rewatch the entire thing and hopefully help me deal with post-Doctor Merlock blues until the next series of these amazing shows are released :)

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lauriloth — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 15:48:06 -0600

A whole dissertation? Ahaha! Well that is good to know then!^_^ I absolutely love hearing your opinions as well, so I certainly do not mind! Scandal in Belgravia Exactly. They could have easily done it without all that content. I just found it unnecessary and annoying. I think a lot of the Doctor Who watchers are also watching Sherlock, and since DW is kept for a younger audience, I personally think they should at least keep Sherlock a little clean. The first season was fine. Why change the content so drastically now? I don't know. It just bugs me. And yes...the romance. *shudders* Surely they know we major Sherlock fans don't want that sort of thing for him. Sherlock doesn't supposed to be romantic. It just doesn't work. Meh. Oh! And did I mention how much I squealed when Sherlock put on the classic 'Sherlock hat'? I cannot remember. But my goodness, it made me so happy! And it is hilarious how he hates it. XD Hounds of Baskerville Lol! You're right! "Least favorite episode" still means we love it more than pretty much any other show. It's funny. XD Now you have made a very good point about Sherlock's reaction. I guess I did not think of it deeply enough. Since he does live by his ability to deduct things, I guess that being taken away would cause him much strife. I feel a bit better about that now. I don't like when they have out of character things, so that kind of bothered me. But it makes a lot more sense now. Oh that scene. XD I laughed sooo hard! Sherlock, Sherlock, Sherlock... Tsk tsk. Poor John. XD Reichenbach Fall *watches video* Oooh. Interesting. You're right, no mention of Moriarty's death at all. Which is odd, because they talked about Moriarty a lot. Hm. Makes one think. Thank you for sharing.^_^ I feel so bad for John. I am constantly thinking about that speech. It was just so beautiful. Makes me sad. :( End Spoilers You are right about the character development and dialogue. They did a really good job on it. I'll definitely give them that. I'm having major Doctor Merlock blues. :( For Merlin especially. It is my favorite and the thought that I have to wait until Fall to see more makes me unbelievably sad.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lauriloth — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 15:50:12 -0600

Oh! I forgot to agree on you about how British television does have looser standards over American ones. So I might just am being too nit-picky. I don't know.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Spaghetti7 — Sat, 28 Jan 2012 15:48:35 -0600

I think the following is pretty much spoiler free. Although it probably won't make sense to anyone who hasn't seen the episodes :) A Scandal in Belgravia I guess part of it was for the shock effect? Or maybe to add to the contrast between Adler and Sherlock, I don't know. At least it was just the one episode and not the whole series suddenly going downhill. I think Sherlock still has a reputation (in the UK, anyways) for being clean and it's still not considered an adult tv show. Other Stuff Yes! I completely forgot about the Sherlock hat! The moment when he unwraps one from Lestrade and has to put it on, I smile every time I think about it :) I remember reading an interview or something where Moffat admitted that he really likes to wink at the fans from time to time. You can just imagine him writing this stuff and grinning to himself as he imagines how the deeply obsessive fans will react :) In an odd way, it reminds me of some of the things you see in Shakespeare where he throws in these little things that only a tenth of the audience would've notice. It hads so much to the episodes when you've read the stories that they're based off of. I love how Sherlock is a tv show where you love it MORE once you've read the books, rather than having the show ruined by reading the originals. *coughthose twosherlockmoviescough*

Re: Doctor Merlock

Spaghetti7 — Sat, 28 Jan 2012 15:52:17 -0600

Also, regarding Doctor Merlock blues, I have to say that it's awesome and awful at the same time when new seasons of these shows come out at the same time. On one hand, it makes for 3 incredible months but on the other, it's awful having to wait a year to see anything new from any of them.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lauriloth — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 15:28:15 -0600

I don't know why it takes me days to respond on here. O.o I'm sorry. Maybe it was for the shock effect or something. I don't know. *shrugs* But you're right, I was very glad to see the other two were fairly clean. I laughed so hard when they got him the hat for a present! That was just fantastic! I can definitely imagine Moffat has a very good time thinking about torturing and confusing his audience to a great degree. That would be most enjoyable, yes. XD He's got some kind of brain. That is so true about the books to show. Not many things ever pull that off. Usually when a book is made into a movie or something it just ruins it. But the Sherlock show is just like an enhancement to the books. Just brilliant! I agree with the Doctor Merlock blues thing. Although, it all kind of worked out this time. Because if I remember right Merlin started the very day after the Doctor Who finale, so that helped me cope considerably. And then Sherlock started just, what? A couple of weeks after Merlin ended. So having them all after one another helped tremendously. Now that they're over though I don't know what to do with myself. *sigh*

Re: Doctor Merlock

Spaghetti7 — Sat, 04 Feb 2012 19:35:46 -0600

*sigh* Doctor Merlock blues... I think I'm gonna go and rewatch the first season of Sherlock. I haven't seen them in a while and I think that I'll really love the Great Game now that the suspense isn't killing me. (It'll help me take my mind off of the finale of the Reichenbach Falls.) The following is made of up off random things that I've been meaning to say. They are in no way connected (aside from the unbrella of Doctor Merlock) and are in no way related to previous conversations. They are also filled with parenthetical statements, most of which are unnecessary. To minimize confusion, I have given each thing its own heading. Doctor Merlock Actors I made another connection between Doctor Merlock shows! (I feel like we should start making a list.) You know Russell Tovey, the guy who plays Henry Knight in Hounds of Baskerville? He's Allonso from the Doctor Who Christmas special with the Titanic! (He also shows up again at the very end of the 10th Doctor's life when he sends him off to Jack Harkness.) He also plays a werewolf in the BBC Being Human, which is only a so-so show but rather ironic :) Also, (although I cheated and found this one online rather than noticing it myself): In Sherlock, the actress playing the Asian tea pot girl from the Blind Banker is also one of the astronauts from Waters of Mars. My Odd Ood Theory That is Unrelated to the Current Conversation Maybe I'm just cueing into things really late, but I was watching a couple of old Donna episodes and it suddenly occured to me that the Ood look quite a bit like the Silence. Then there's the fact that they're both telepathic/brain wave-y type species and both of them manage to speak without any sort of visible mouth. It could just be a random coincidence, but now I have theories about the show and I think that the two might somehow be distantly related. (Sort of like the green and red cactus people or the Slytheen/Abzorbaloff.) Anyways, it's a bit weird but I had to tell someone before I forgot about it. Weird Fact about Melody Pond I found out that in A Good Man Goes to War, baby Melody Pond was played by a set of twins--a girl and a boy. Kinda weird, kinda cool, I still feel a bit sorry for the boy and the fact that he's gonna have to live with that for the rest of his life. Hopefully it won't put him off the tv show :)

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lauriloth — Sun, 05 Feb 2012 15:26:40 -0600

I've been thinking about rewatching them myself. And really thinking about rewatching Merlin. It was actually in February of last year that I discovered it and started it for the first time. So it is like my Merlin anniversary or something.^_^ Ah, good times, good times. Actually, I've also been considering rewatching all the Doctor Who's. Lol! I have problems! This whole thread is for talking about all the random Doctor Merlock goodness, so no problemo! I love reading about and discussing all this stuff. :D THAT'S WHERE I KNEW HIM FROM! It was driving me crazy the whole time because I knew that guy played in something. Allonso! Yes! "Allons-y, Allonso!" I think I got so spazzed over the episode that I completely forgot to look him up. Lol. Oooh! I did not realize that was the same girl. But yeah, I can see that now. Cool! Speaking of which, I think in the Merlin episode "His Father's Son" the queen lady in that was the same lady that played in "The Waters of Mars." Do you know what I am talking about? I think she was Captain Adelaide Brooke in "The Waters of Mars." I have honestly never thought about the thing with the Ood and Silence. Huh. That does get one thinking. Very interesting. Lol! That poor boy. Maybe he will not be scarred for life. Perhaps he will feel special that he got to play in such a popular show. Maybe because of it, it will make him famous or something. ;)

Re: Doctor Merlock

Spaghetti7 — Sun, 05 Feb 2012 17:15:05 -0600

Haha, I know. You just want to rewatch everything, right? :P The trouble is getting started, especially when you know deep down inside that you'll end up watching ALL of them again, at the same rapid fire pace you did the first time and some sort of self preservation instinct tells you to put off that first one for a little while longer :) Although, I'm still trying to follow through on my committment to watch a couple episodes of each Doctor from the old Who. I got stuck between Patrick Troughton and John Pertwee on Netflix and can't seem to work my way out. I know right?! The whole Sherlock episode drove me crazy and then during Voyage of the Damned I just couldn't get the idea out of my head and I was so pleased when I finally looked it up and realized I was right! Wow! You're totally right about Adelaide Brooke/the queen lady! Weird. I thought I recognized her, but I didn't want to look it up. I have this thing where I always think I recognize people and it turns out I've never seen them before/confused them with someone they look like and it drives me crazy so I usually try to avoid searching up actors in the first place. Okay, I don't really know how this happened, but at first I completely misread your comment and thought Planet of the Dead instead of Waters of Mars and THEN I got confused about the character you were talking about from Merlin and after looking it up, realized that my muddled confusion actually managed to pull out something useful: Nimueh and Lady Catherine de Suza (Planet of the Dead) are played by the same actress. Different hair colour, but those eyes and the smirk are definitely the same. Also, random side comment. I was baby sitting on Friday night and watched a silly animated tv show with the kids while I was there. And the episode was a parody of Sherlock Holmes! I'm not sure if they liked it, but I was killing mysef laughing. The characters even went to Buckingham Palace :)

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lauriloth — Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:04:06 -0600

Yes, exactly! XD But I really want to rewatch Merlin. Especially since I watched it for the first time in February. Maybe I should make it a tradition. Eheh. I've been sick and keep thinking I should just have all day Merlin marathons, but I never did it. I always get distracted by so many other things. I've still only watched the first 11 episodes of Classic Who. I really, really want to get through them. I need to work on that. It's going to take a life time already, but two at the rate I'm going. O.o I pretty much always have to look them up because it will just drive me crazy for days if I don't. I usually watch most things on my laptop, so I'll stop the middle of the show to go Wikipedia the person on a constant basis. Especially with all these BBC shows because they do seem to use to many of the same actors. Don't you love when accidents end up being a good thing? :D And yes! That's right! I would have never made that connection if someone...Blue maybe?...had not pointed it out some time ago. I was all, "Whaaa?" Because for some reason she seems like a completely different person. I see her as really young on Merlin and older on Doctor Who for some reason. But she might be even younger in Doctor Who. *goes to check* Nope, only a year apart. Merlin in 2008 and DW in 2009. I don't know why she seems so different in them to me. She's a really good actress I suppose.^_^ Oh my goodness, that's hilarious! I would have been laughing so hard, too! XD

Re: Doctor Merlock

Spaghetti7 — Mon, 20 Feb 2012 01:03:55 -0600

Gah, sorry, busy week, kept forgetting to reply even though I read this pretty much the day after you posted it. Hopefully you're less sick now and have had some time to watch Merlin. I know I want to rewatch it sometimes too, but I'm trying to limit myself to one tv show at a time. With my periodic Doctor Who viewing I'm now halfway through season 4 and I have to say, it's really interesting to see how far in advance they set things up in the show for future episodes, even in the pre-Moffat era. I did a little dance when I noticed ATMOS in cars in season 3 and a bunch of other things that I've suddenly forgotten which makes me feel a bit stupid for bringing it up now. Anyways... Silence in the Library made so much more sense this time round. I remember the first time I watched River kept getting on my nerves. I think I might just have issues with plot lines that don't explain themselves. She's still not my favourite character, but I like the contrast between her at the 11th Doctor so I'll just keep ignoring the fact that their relationship really doesn't make sense when you step back and look at it. I also have to report that your comment about the Doctor always holding hands with his companions right when he meets them is definitely true. I never would've noticed it if I hadn't been looking for it, but I do have to laugh at myself when I see it and suddenly think I've figured out something brilliant before realizing that duh, of course I already know who the next companion is going to be! Haven't noticed any more Doctor Merlock actors, but that's me. *sigh* I really hate sitting around twiddling my thumbs and waiting for new seasons... although it is much better for general productivity when it comes to school work...

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lauriloth — Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:11:15 -0600

Hey, no problem. You know it takes me forever to respond! Well, I caved and started Merlin over. XD Couldn't help myself. I won't be surprised if DW and Sherlock follow suit. They just never get old. And I'm like you, I keep finding things that I never notice before. I guess the first time 'round I'm more paying attention to the plot and story line, but during rewatches I take a lot more attention to really minor details. It's really fun to rewatch things and notice all the little stuff. The writers probably appreciate us noticing all their little details as well. Lol. You're right, River and the Doctor's relationship really doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Out of all the people, I would just never put her for the Doctor. I don't know. I just don't like it. I want to like her, but I can't get myself to. I fee like if she has the Doctor's love than she must be a great person. But...she's not. -.- Lol! I do things like that. I get like 5 seconds of pride and then realize, "Wait, I already knew this." *headdesk* XD I feel like all I do is just wait around for the next season of these shows. It's sad really. You probably already know, but just two or three days ago they started filming Doctor Who! :D Annnnd, apparently the one that played Lestrade is going to be a guest star! That made me SO happy!!! Gah! I just can't wait!

Re: Doctor Merlock

Spaghetti7 — Sun, 04 Mar 2012 22:03:17 -0600

Lestrade?! Woohoo! Oh, I love it when they pass around actors :) "Is that why you're calling yourself Greg? "It's my name! Clearly you never bothered to find out." Hehe. Anyways... I've been hearing rumours and whispers around the internet that Amy and Rory are going to have some sort of a tragic end in the 7th series of Doctor Who which makes me nervous. I'm not a crazy fan of them (well, maybe of Rory) but I thought that their story had already been wrapped up and everything so I'm a bit surprised that they're coming back at all. It seems odd to start the series with a good-bye, but they've also confirmed that there'll be a new companion. Unless they plan on having the Doctor running around with 3 companions (not to mention River Song) for an entire series, which really doesn't appeal to me. It's still more than half a year away so I'm sure they'll have a few more things to say about the series, if only to confuse everyone and keep us all guessing :) In other bad news (I don't know why everything I have to say is bad, sorry about that) The Doctor Who Confidential has been canceled. It happened a little while ago but I just found out about it. Apparently the BBC is trying to cut back on a few things, but I really don't see how paying someone to follow Karen Gillan around with a camera was costing them a ton of money. Sure, they could've cut it down to half hour episodes, but really? Doctor Who is possibly the top show they have, they should be looking to expand it, not pull back on it. Anyways, I'm not impressed. I'm also trying not to think about River because she's a lot of fun when she's on screen but as soon as I start to think about that relationship... I think the Doctor just isn't meant to have any serious romantic relationships :/ Anyways, I hope you're enjoying rewatching Merlin. I just finished season 4 and didn't get quite as depressed as I have the last few times I've watched the end of Donna's story so hopefully I'll be able to better handle the change from David Tennant to Matt Smith and appreciate all of those earlier episodes.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lady_Warrior — Wed, 07 Mar 2012 22:08:11 -0600

I have been guided to this thread by Lauri because it is apparently a homage to ~~the three loves of my life~~ all my favourite shows. So. *plops down in the middle of thread* LET THERE BE NO SPOILERS FOR DOCTOR WHO SEASON 6 AND MERLIN SEASON 4. Sorry. But let me just say...Matt Smith. Lauri...you had to see that one coming. I would browse the whole thread, except for the fear of spoilers and Matt Smith gifs that will strike me speechless...and possibly spoil S6 for me....

Re: Doctor Merlock

badgerpride — Wed, 07 Mar 2012 22:46:27 -0600

Like Lady, I was also brought to the thread by Lauri. It's amazing to see a thread for my three favorite TV shows combined! I just watched the first two episodes of season six (for Doctor Who). I have so many questions! My friend keeps holding it over my head that he's already watched more of the season than I have.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lady_Warrior — Thu, 08 Mar 2012 00:27:32 -0600

TOO MUCH AWESOME IN ONE THREAD. I seriously can't take it. I barely made it through the first one and a half pages of gif gloriness before I gave up. Too strong an urge to squee. <3

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lady_Warrior — Thu, 08 Mar 2012 00:36:08 -0600

SHERLOCK SPOILERS PEs, sorry, but you'll probably see me post this there too.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Spaghetti7 — Thu, 08 Mar 2012 10:31:21 -0600

Haha, great to have some more people around here to squeal like embarrassing fangirls and whatnot. (There are always a couple of people in and out but every now and then I feel like Lauri and I need to start PMing each other :P) I think that we were generally pretty good about labeling spoilers in the previous pages of comments, especially when we were talking about episodes and seasons that had just come out, but there could be things that slipped through the system so be prepared to pull yourself away mid-sentence as you're looking through all of the fabulous gifs. I guess it's just more encouragement to hurry up and finish the series! :) Also, Lady_Warrior: That is an awesome comic! (And it's great to see you again!)

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lauriloth — Thu, 08 Mar 2012 13:34:32 -0600

New recruits! Bwahaha! It does seem like sometimes Spags and I should just PM. Lol. Yes, Lady, I guess I should have seen it coming. XD And that comic...oh dear me. I'm on the verge of bursting into laughter and breaking down into sobs. @Spags-A tragic end for Amy and Rory? :( *sniffles* I adore Rory, not too fond of Amy, but I certainly don't want her having a tragic end. They've already been through so much. They really just need a "happily ever after" in my opinion. I don't want another Rose repeat. I can't handle it! D: I am ready for a new companion though. I actually wouldn't mind the Doctor going around with a bunch of people; I liked him having two companions for a change, it was fun! But I guess the one on one thing is always nice and a bit more special. So I suppose either way I'll be pretty happy really. Would you believe I've never seen even one Doctor Who Confidential? I've wanted to forever but never have. So I guess I can't be too devastated about it, but still, it is rather sad. And I get what you mean, it seems like it probably pulls in more money than uses it up I would think. I agree about the romantic relationships. It just doesn't really work. I mean, I did kind of like the Rose thing, but I was somewhat shocked at first. When they had that first kiss I was all O____O because she's 19 and he's 900 and for some reason I kept thinking it was more a father/daughter relationship, or perhaps I was just hoping it was. Boy was I off. They really should just stray away from any romance in the show. Now, with something like Rory and Amy, that was fine, but the Doctor needs to stay away from it, in my opinion. Oh my...the end of DW season 4 gets me every time. *sniffles* I'm actually, and surprisingly, going through Merlin very slowly, although I haven't been watching any TV much lately. It's still nice to watch an occasional one now and again though.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lady_Warrior — Thu, 08 Mar 2012 17:15:42 -0600

SPAGS! Heeeeeeyyyy. How are you? :D I've missed seeing you around...uh, anywhere, really. Lauri, how could you not like Amy! :O I'm so surprised. I love her. She is brilliant. Like when she stars flirting with herself, in those shorts pre-season 6. BRILLIANT. The Doctor is so awesome, too. And....and...yeah. Like I said, I would go through the gifs, but they make me SQUEAL.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Spaghetti7 — Sat, 10 Mar 2012 01:31:16 -0600

@Lauri: From what I've heard, it's one new companion, but River will obviously show up somewhere in the mix and they aren't entirely done with the Ponds yet so we'll see what happens. The Ponds were great and I do love some of the episodes where they've got a ton of people running around on the TARDIS all at once, but I wouldn't mind going back to the one on one thing, mostly because I feel like the show needs to take things down a notch and stop trying to one-up itself. The Confidential is definitely worth your time. It helps when you're going through BBC withdrawals :) And yes, Doctor Who is really at its best with companions like Donna who can keep away from all the romantic entanglements. @Lady: I know! I've been so busy, I need low maintenance threads where people not only do not think I've died due to my long absence, but where a long absence means I have less than a page of posts to catch up on :P What can I say, school demands I spend most of my time on my computer in a conventionally educational way. Sorry, but I have to agree with Lauri on the Amy thing. And I had a whole giant paragraph of spoilers written here which I came THIS CLOSE to posting! Phew! Better get on that Lady, before I ruin things for you! Anyways, I'll just say that my issues with Amy all come from the fact that I think she sees Rory as a consolation prize for not getting the Doctor and it drives me crazy because I really love Rory :) *dreamy sigh*

Re: Doctor Merlock

badgerpride — Sun, 18 Mar 2012 00:57:55 -0500

I kind of forgot about this thread for a while. But in the last two days I've watched about nine episodes of Merlin, so it's pretty much the only thing I'm capable of thinking of. I just got done watching A Servent of Two Masters. I think it's my favorite episode from the entire show.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lauriloth — Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:06:41 -0500

@Spags- I do hope there is a new companion. It's getting time. I won't mind too much if the Pond's show up a bit though. I mean...Rory. ♥ Ahem. But I just don't want anything tragic for them. :( And it does seem like it's trying to one-up itself. I love all the epicness, but after a while they might end up going way overboard. There was nothing wrong with the Nine and Ten days, people still love those. Sometimes all the ones with Eleven are a bit much. It might be time to tone it down a tad. I've really been wanting to see Confidential. Gotta do that someday! Exactly! Out of all the companions, I personally think Donna was the best for him. There was no drama or complications with their relationship. They cared for each other deeply but they were just real good friends. That's how it should always be. The Doctor has enough drama as is. He just needs a good buddy to keep him company and support him. Okay, as far as the Amy thing goes... [quote=Spaghetti7] Hmm... well, I can't cite anything from the 6th season to argue against you, but I guess it's pretty much just a continuation of the same attitude Amy has in season 5. I know she does love Rory, and I think she does get over the Doctor (well, sorta. She tries to anyways) but there's no way she loves him as much as he loves her. It just makes their relationship a bit awkward and I feel so bad for Rory, always getting beat up or killed or abandoned and whatnot. I just want to reach through my tv screen and give him a hug. [/quote] My thoughts to the dot. I think Amy cares very much for Rory, but she's not very loyal to him. It just seems like sometimes she doesn't care about him nearly as much as he does her. Rory does so much for both her and the Doctor and he doesn't get nearly enough credit. I feel like giving him a hug all the time, too. :( @Badger-Oh!!! I love that episode! So hilarious! XD

Re: Doctor Merlock

badgerpride — Sun, 18 Mar 2012 17:51:35 -0500

@Lauri- I really liked when Arthur hugged Merlin after they found him, even though he was covered in dirt. It's nice to see him show that he does care. At the beginning on the episode, do you know what it was that hit Merlin? I can't really tell what it is.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Spaghetti7 — Tue, 20 Mar 2012 03:18:31 -0500

Regarding Merlin: I love A Servant of Two Masters! It's been a while since I watched season 4 and I got through it in just a couple of days so my memory is a bit hazy (just another excuse to rewatch it) but that one is quite hilarious. It's right up there with the episode in season 2 (or is it season 3?) where Merlin goes to hug Arthur when their relationship clearly hasn't reached that stage and a boatload of awkwardness ensues :) (You have no idea how proud I am of the fact that I found that and got the html stuff right.) Okay, for those of you who haven't finished season 6 of Doctor Who, MAJOR SPOILERS got that? So just avoid the temptation and pretend like my post ends HERE. Alright, I'm on vacation in the great US of A and found to my astonishment that my Netflix account now gives me access to all of the stuff that's available in the states--including Doctor Who. Seeing as I also got sick on the way down, I decided to spend my evening drinking strong tea and rewatching my favourite episodes. I ended up on The Wedding of River Song and I sort of re-realized a bunch of stuff that I now feel the urge to expound on. First of all, I think it happened only because I got all excited about finally figuring out how the whole Utah showdown thing worked out, but I COMPLETELY forgot about the loose ends that are still to be dealt with in season 7! First of all, there's still the matter of The Question. We know that it's Doctor who? or at least, that's implied. But that's been a thing since the 60's. I'd be disappointed if they actually decided to give away the Doctor's name, but at the same time, what's the point of bringing it up if it's a taboo? We were also given a name: The Fields of Trenzalor with no other knowledge. I did a couple of quick searches through dictionaries and translators to see if anything would come up that might give us a hint but I couldn't find anything. The show DID however mention "the fall of the 11th" which makes me wonder if the 7th season with be Matt Smith's last. It would make me really sad because honestly, I think if they can manage to take the writing down a notch, he'd be great to have on the show for several more years. Obviously he can't stay forever but I don't think the show will last if they change the Doctor every 2-3 seasons. The companions, yeah, but I think that the Doctor has to stick around long enough that the show has some measure of consistency. On a completely different note: Isn't it odd that the Silence is called a religious order when they're presented as a species? Yet the creatures claimed to be The Silence. I'm wondering if maybe there's some sort of a process that turns people into those forgettable aliens in old suits. Or maybe it's like the cult of skarow where only a small portion of those aliens belong to the Silence. Or maybe I'm just missing something, I don't know, I'm awful when it comes to guessing about shows and Doctor Who is sort of unguessable. I also have to say that I really can't decide what to think about River Song. Talking about the show, I want to say that I don't like her and that she shouldn't be there, etc. etc. but she's got a bit of an irresistible character. For whatever reason I was shocked to realize that while I was watching, I wanted her and the Doctor to get together. Also, I think every time Rory appeared, spoke, or was spoken about, he was more awe-inspiring and huggable than usual. Those two characteristics rarely show a positive correlation, but in the case of Rory Williams... <3 *ehem* I'll just go sit in a corner now and keep my fangirling to a dreamy smile instead of inflicting it on the rest of the world. Lauri you must read this: I was finishing up this really long post when I had a sudden epiphany (or maybe I'm just really slow with these things). You said that Amy has loyalty issues and that's absolutely true. But what I realized is this: it all comes from the fact that the Doctor abandoned her as a kid. Ever since then, she's been afraid of people abandoning her--and it messes up her relationship with Rory. I mean think about it! Any time something happens where she gets the slightest idea that he might leave her, she goes to pieces! It makes me pity her and Rory and at the same time, love Rory more for the fact that he loved her enough for them to get around it--sorta. I'm gonna stop now before this post gets any more out of hand than it already has.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lauriloth — Sun, 25 Mar 2012 17:58:16 -0500

@Badger-Yes, yes, yes! It's so nice! Because (slight spoilers for Season 4) it takes forever for Arthur to admit Merlin is his friend, but in the newest season he finally does. You have no idea how happy that makes me!^_^(End) And it's been a while since I've seen it, so I have no memory of what it was. Like Spags said, just another excuse to rewatch it! XD @Spags- Continuing DW Season 6 spoilers here, so NO LOOKY! I assume the question is "Doctor Who?" but you never know about Moffat. It could be something completely unexpected. I don't think I'd actually mind them giving away the Doctor's real name, but I also don't mind them keeping it a secret for eternity. I'll honestly be happy either way. I have no memory of this The Fields of Trenzalor thing. When was that mentioned? I really, really need to rewatch Season 6. I definitely will before the new season comes out. Or at least try anyway. Everything just got sooo confusing. O_O I have mixed feelings about them getting rid of Matt Smith. On the one hand, I would actually like another Doctor because, really, I've just never been very fond of Smith. On the other hand though, Smith plays a fairly well Doctor (I know that sounds contradictory. You see, I think he plays a good Doctor, I just don't like him too much personally. I'd probably love him to death if he had been the first Doctor I saw.) and I fear the next one might not be good. What if they get someone even worse and the show goes completely downhill? So basically, I want a new Doctor, I'm just kind of scared about it. As far as the Silence goes, I'm awful at guessing this stuff as well. I've actually not thought about the Silence a whole lot, so I really have no theories on them. Perhaps there is some sort of process and they were not that way naturally. I have no idea. I still stand the same with River: She annoys me. Eheh. I think the Doctor deserves someone else, or, like we were saying before, just leave out all romance with him period. I think that would be the best. It just gets way too complicate with him. Oh, please inflict all the fangirliness you wish. I agree. Rory is kind of the bestest ever and I'm going to VERY much miss him when he's gone. He's...he's just too amazing for words. Oh my goodness, Spags! That's right! It makes perfect sense. Of course she would have loyalty issues, everyone keeps leaving her. Well then, that gives me a newfound respect for her. I can't believe I didn't think of this before. You're a genius! Now I really can't blame her too much for the way she acts with Rory. But still, when a guy waits for you for 2 thousand years, it just seems like you'd respect him a bit more.

Re: Doctor Merlock

badgerpride — Sun, 25 Mar 2012 21:56:27 -0500

@Lauri- I know! Pretty much all of my favorite moments between those two are ones where Arthur actually shows that he cares about Merlin. One of my favorites is in Lady of the Lake when Arthur talks to Merlin at the very end and cheers him up. Although he kind of ruins it by dumping all of those chores on him.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lauriloth — Wed, 04 Apr 2012 00:20:25 -0500

@Badger-Those are definitely my most favorite moments. They're great! Of course...Arthur always has to ruin them. XD Silly Arthur. @Spags- Continuing slight DW season 6 spoilers I was thinking of The Girl Who Waited the moment I read your epiphany about Amy. That episode makes sooo much more sense now. It was already heart wrenching, but now. o.o Well, now I feel so sorry for Amy! I really do. She's been through so much. Now I can't really blame her for the way she acts. I'm also just realizing something. We get mad at her for cheating on Rory for the Doctor. But, well, think about it. Both the Doctor and Rory are totally and completely amazing. I would think any of us would have an uber hard time choosing really. I just haven't been fair with Amy and really sat down and thought about why she is and acts how she does. End @Lady-What Spags said.^_^ I always feel like I never add anything to the conversation or throw in new things. I'm always so bad about this. Meh. It's easier when there's new episodes to talk about with the shows I guess.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lady_Warrior — Wed, 11 Apr 2012 18:55:57 -0500

You have no idea how glad I am that you did. You know, take back what you said about her. Because I love all three of them, and though you're right, that Rory had to wait and wait and wait and WAIT for her, that's just what she needed. I think they're the perfect couple. Which brings me to... SEASON 7 SPOILERS That picture floating around, of Rory leaving the house in a huff, jacket flung over his shoulders, and Amy screaming after him, "I HATE THIS!" And then he has papers that are apparently Divorce papers. And the fact that they die? The Ponds? At the hands of Weeping Angels? Why? Tell me, why would Moffat do that to us? I see you lot (Lauri and Spags) were already considering that there should be a new companion. I was non too pleased to hear that there would be, because I am absolutely in love with the Ponds and wouldn't mind seeing them around for another season or so. But all right, that's another issue altogether. The fact is, divorce? My Amy and my Rory, divorce? When it comes down to this and choosing sides, I hope it's Rory who initiated it. I can't bear to see him being subject to more cruelty, he's waited long enough. I mean, I do believe Amy loves him as much as he loves her, but he's waited so long for her that it's way too cruel to have him being left behind by Amy again. (Also about her flirting with anyone and everyone...if you've seen the mini-episodes, she also starts flirting with herself. So. That's just a trait of hers and I love it, because in the end it's all about Rory). Um. Yes. So. I've finished all the seasons and that last Christmas special was really something, wasn't it? The last few minutes? Wow. Also, also, about the finale, River Song's wedding...how AMAZING was Rory? "It's already activated, ma'am." I think he's my favourite character from the whole series. I don't know. I love the Doctor, and I love Amy, but when I start thinking about Rory and the point of his devotion...I just...there's no comparison. None. I loved Amy in the suit and "We should go get Coffee sometimes. And get married." And Rory's just...going along with the flow, like yeah, sure, of course we can. AND NOW A QUESTION. Is the Doctor left-handed, right-handed, or neither? 'Cause when he's telling Winston the story about what happened, he keeps glancing at his left arm that has a few marks, and since he glances their, I'm assuming he's right-handed because he's looking at his left automatically. But then they show that his right arm is absolutely FULL which would mean he's left handed, and that's why he started on that arm. BUT THEN WHY WOULD HE LOOK AT HIS LEFT ARM FIRST. Yeah. Maybe it doesn't matter, or maybe I'm missing something...I need to re-see that episode. Anyhow.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Spaghetti7 — Thu, 12 Apr 2012 02:59:55 -0500

@Lauri: Haha, it's okay, I feel like that too sometimes! I think we're just too similar when it comes to our opinions on our favourite shows. (On the other hand, it's pretty darn awesome because I feel like I'm having a conversation with a slightly smarter me. Not to mention we're able to discuss shows without getting hung up on silly disagreements.) Amy and Rory and Series 6/7 spoilers @Lady_Warrior: YES! I'm so excited! I've been re-watching the series with a friend (I managed to turn her into a Whovian mid-Donna season) and we just finished season 6 a couple days ago. Is Rory just amazing? I really can't get over him. Although I almost started crying I was laughing so hard at all the stuff between him and Amy during Wedding of River Song, from the "portrait" Amy drew of him to "she called you Mr Hottiness and said she'd like to go out with you for texting and scones" they're just brilliant and the Doctor somehow manages to emphasis it, even though it usually doesn't reflect well on him. I FREAKED OUT when you said that thing about Amy and Rory breaking up/divorcing but I found the video and it wasn't as bad as I thought. I couldn't see any papers and I didn't find any references so for now I'm going to assume that it's just one of their ups and downs and that Amy is being stupid. Hopefully she'll come around and Rory will forgive her. If they were to split, I really don't know how I'd want it to happen. I'd hate Amy if she broke it off with Rory, I don't care what excuses or reasons she has, that guy has put up with WAY too much for her to just walk out. On the other hand, I might like Rory a little less if he walked away from Amy since she's had more than her fair share of abandonment. Argh. They just have to stay together. I saw another clip, it was the same location and they were wearing the same clothes, just standing outside their house talking although you couldn't hear what they were saying. At the end of the clip Rory does this weird (slightly Sherlockian) fist pump/happy dance and then they go inside. That sounds even more awkward than the clip actually is. Here's a link with both of them, although I don't know which order they'll appear in within the show, obviously. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=I-Rz_0FGK3M Oh, never mind. Saw a spoiler about the divorce papers on the doctor who website which makes me inclined to believe it. I looked back at that quick little clip of explosions and stuff that they had from the 7th series and I realized that the Ponds seem pretty cold in all the clips, although it's hard to judge when you never see them together for more than 5 seconds at a time. THIS IS REALLY BOTHERING ME NOW. *deep breath* I trust Steven Moffet. I've gotten used to the fact that he screws around with my head on a regular basis and has yet to do anything to mess up either Doctor Who or Sherlock. *exhale* <--This is what I repeat to myself whenever I get stressed out about my two favourite tv shows. But if THIS is what he means by a "heartbreaking farewell"... I know that the companions always get crappy endings but they're supposed to get squashed or eaten or thrown into parallel dimensions--not divorce their spouses! I really need to stop thinking about this before I go crazy. By the way, now that you're caught up, what do you think of the Doctor and River? Lauri and I disagree slightly. (I mean, I want to agree with her but I find River an irresistibly likable character even though logic tells me I shouldn't be a fan.) Oh and for the Doctor, I'd be more inclined to say that he's neither-handed than I would ambidextrous. I don't know how that would work exactly but it's the Doctor so I don't feel like I have to explain myself. After all, this is someone who thinks he speaks baby and sprinkles people with pepper shakers. And that's just in one episode.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Spaghetti7 — Sat, 14 Apr 2012 18:30:21 -0500

Wait a minute... you don't like the Craig episodes? LADY! I'm sorry but that is just not acceptable! Craig is... he's CRAIG! He's like Rory except Rory got all the normal beaten out of him after a couple months in the TARDIS. (Not that Rory isn't less awesome for it, I just like having characters behave like normal people around the Doctor.) I strongly recommend watching the 9th and 10th Doctors. You might not get into them as much because most of the episodes stand alone rather than being connected in this giant web of mind blowing spacey-wacey stuff. They also have a lot more camp and general weirdness :) *sigh* As sad as it is, I'm willing to bet that something happens to Amy and Rory. Or maybe just to Amy. Darn it, that would be as but River seems to connect with her a lot more than she does Rory, maybe it's just a mother-daughter thing, but I could see River being a little bit distant from Rory in his past if she's really close to him in the future and doesn't want to play around with time too much, or if she's just not able to face him when she knows what's going to happen in his future... Gah! Why does this reasoning have to make so much sense?! Ditto on everything that you said about the Doctor. I love Amy's Choice not because of the stuff that goes on between her and Rory (in fact, Amy gets on my nerves a bit in that episode) but I love looking at that episode knowing that the Dream Lord is the Doctor, or at least is based off of him.

Re: Doctor Merlock

badgerpride — Sun, 15 Apr 2012 00:23:57 -0500

Wait, is all of this stuff about Amy and Rory just speculation, or is it actually going to happen? I'm a little confused.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lady_Warrior — Sun, 15 Apr 2012 22:25:06 -0500

~~AMYISNOTANNOYING~~ Sorry, I'm horribly in love with all the three of the main characters, so... Also, Craig might be returning? Happy, happy day! :D I would love seeing a bit of all this familiarity mixed up with all the change. I think I'm also getting excited for Jenna. :D I wasn't really looking too forward to her, but I'm slowly warming up to her. Question! Has there ever been a non-human Companion?

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lauriloth — Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:12:52 -0500

Wow. I've got a lot to catch up on. Okay so... DIVORCE? WHAT. WHAT. WHAT. WHAT. WHAT?? The idea breaks my heart into little, bite sized pieces. Funnily enough though, what bothers me the most is that it just doesn't fit. Doctor Who is a not a soap opera. The biggest conflicts are missing bees and statues that throw people in other times, not divorces. That's why we love DW, for it's ridiculous stories and unrealism. We don't want normal life dramas in it. Like Spags said, companions supposed to leave through parallel worlds or invaded by aliens or something. Divorce? Seriously? No, this can't happen. Personally, I think if they start throwing in things like this, the show will go down hill fast. We're not watching a soap opera! It would just be awful all around. Annd... [quote=Spaghetti7]If they were to split, I really don't know how I'd want it to happen. I'd hate Amy if she broke it off with Rory, I don't care what excuses or reasons she has, that guy has put up with WAY too much for her to just walk out. On the other hand, I might like Rory a little less if he walked away from Amy since she's had more than her fair share of abandonment. Argh. They just have to stay together.[/quote] This is exactly how I feel about it. As you said, Amy has no right to leave Rory. He's given her no reason whatsoever to do so (I mean, he waited for her for two thousand years!). He has been nothing but loyal and understanding as well as just all around amazing. But, I'd also be inclined to dislike Rory a bit if he left her. Which I don't want to do, because, well, he's RORY! I LOVE HIM! Er...anyways... I just can't really imagine him leaving her though. After all they have done and been through? It's obvious he loves he more than anything. Surely he wouldn't. This just can't happen guys! D: [quote=Spaghetti7] @Lauri: Haha, it's okay, I feel like that too sometimes! I think we're just too similar when it comes to our opinions on our favourite shows. (On the other hand, it's pretty darn awesome because I feel like I'm having a conversation with a slightly smarter me. Not to mention we're able to discuss shows without getting hung up on silly disagreements.)[/quote] Slightly smarter? o.o What. You're the smart one, girl! I never have any opinions of my own or any idea what's going on with these shows. You're always coming up with brilliant thoughts on it all. I do love how we pretty much always have the same opinion and can fangirl and discuss without any disagreements. ^__^ The Doctor is neither-handed? Ahahaha! I can totally picture this. XD And he does supposed to have really bad handwriting, doesn't he? So this could definitely be the case. [quote=Spaghetti7]Why does River always travel back in time to see the Doctor when her parents are young? The answer that just popped into my head is "because she CAN'T see them in the correct time line" which makes me really nervous for the Ponds and their ending. I always thought it was weird how she seems to have such a close connection with them, it'd be like me travelling back in time to see my parents in their 20's when I'm in my 40's. But if her parents are divorced or dead or whatever it is that happens to them in the future, then it makes a lot more sense. *headdesk* Just when I thought I'd gotten over all of my worries about series 7.[/quote] See? This is why you're the smart one, because you're always coming up with brilliant thoughts like this. You might be very right, which scares me. Why would River only go to see her parents when they're young if nothing else but because she can't when they're older? Meh! D': I don't like this thought at all! [quote=Spaghetti7]I hate the way the companions get crappy endings, but it makes sense. Traveling through all of time and space and dealing with exploding planets and ruptures in time on a regular basis, at some point you won't make a last minute escape. I may not like Martha, but I definitely respect her for being able to leave the Doctor of her own will before anything happened to her.[/quote] I definitely agree with this. You really have to admire Martha for what she did. If I could travel with the Doctor, I would so until I absolutely couldn't anymore. I would have no discipline at all. I'd have Rose's mentality and probably get myself killed for it. It's a dangerous, risky business traveling with him, no matter how wonderful it may be. So it definitely makes sense that the companions get awful endings, as much as I hate it. Also, CRAIG IS AMAZING! Anyways... *Reads through Spags list* *Has a heart attack* First of all, I DIDN'T KNOW WE KNEW WHO WAS PLAYING THE NEW COMPANION! Sorry for the spazzing, but I just did not realize this. *goes to look her up* Hm...she might be all right. I'm super curious as to how they are going to meet and everything. I have such a hard time waiting for these shows... Second, I so, so, SO hope Craig will come back! That would be fantastic! It'd be really great to see Jack again. And I really, really, really hope they bring the Master in again. I think I'd die a little inside (from happiness) if Benedict Cumberbatch played the Master, but I love John Simm so much I really assume him come back. He's just so amazingly brilliant and my Whovian heart would explode form happiness to see him reappear. Ah, so the Daleks are coming back? Because I had heard they were never going to return again, which made me sad, because I've always been really fond of them, for some odd reason. Although, the rainbow Daleks are so ridiculously lame I'm not sure how happy I can really be. <.< [quote=Lady_Warrior]Question! Has there ever been a non-human Companion? [/quote] Not to my knowledge. I've always found it odd that all his companions happen to be humans from our times. I mean, he travels everywhere. Wouldn't he occasionally get an alien or even someone from some different time? It's kinda silly really. I guess they just want the audience to relate to the companions. Still though, they could at least be from some other time. I think that would be cool! I might have had even more to say...I'm not sure. There was so much to catch up on. But this post is so long, I'm just going to hit submit now.

Re: Doctor Merlock

LibraryMouse233 — Mon, 16 Apr 2012 18:30:38 -0500

This is my new home! :) Just kidding, but I really love Sherlock, Doctor Who, and Merlin! My favorite Doctor has got to be Matt Smith. Although I really like David Tennant, I came into the series with Matt Smith, and so I am very partial to him. Sherlock Holmes has been a long time obsession of mine, starting with the books and slowly working its way into trying to see all the different adaptations of it. What I really love about Sherlock is that it offers fresh new story lines that draw inspiration from the canon, but also bring something very vibrant and new to them. Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman have wonderful chemistry as Sherlock and John, and Mark Gatiss is a brilliant Mycroft. The man who played Moriarty (I can't remember his name, and can't be bothered to look it up right now) played the role beautifully. The original Moriarty was very calm and collected so that one could hardly tell he was up to anything, but this Moriarty give off the feel of a ticking time bomb, and a somewhat neurotic one at that. I fell in love with that. I also really love how even though the scenery is updated, it still gives off the feel of an older time, making the transition less awkward and more, for lack of a better word, awesome. As for Merlin, I am still very much a budding fan, but just know that I love Colin Morgan, and I really wish I had more time to sit down and just watch a few episodes of the show at a time.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lady_Warrior — Wed, 18 Apr 2012 01:01:31 -0500

[quote=Lauriloth] The idea breaks my heart into little, bite sized pieces. Funnily enough though, what bothers me the most is that it just doesn't fit. Doctor Who is a not a soap opera. The biggest conflicts are missing bees and statues that throw people in other times, not divorces. That's why we love DW, for it's ridiculous stories and unrealism. We don't want normal life dramas in it. Like Spags said, companions supposed to leave through parallel worlds or invaded by aliens or something. Divorce? Seriously? No, this can't happen. Personally, I think if they start throwing in things like this, the show will go down hill fast. We're not watching a soap opera! It would just be awful all around. [/quote] WOW. I'm so surprised to see this. Even when Spags said it. It breaks my heart a little. Because I think the most brilliant thing about Doctor Who is the fact that DESPITE all the ridiculous stories and unrealism - there's this part of the universe and story that's so, so, so much darker. There's a reason I watched (nearly) all the episodes biting my fist or something so I wouldn't scream. There is so much depth. And I think evolving human relationships is all a part of that. Now, I'm not familiar with the older series, so I can't say, and maybe that's why both of you reacted like you did. But for me, coming in with Matt Smith being my first Doctor, I can honestly say I find everything brilliantly perfect. Yes, there is Amy/Rory drama. But they're not going to be on there for much longer. And sometimes it's easier to believe what you're saying when you have two human humans on the show, interacting and disbelieving and having their whole lives changing as a result of it (and Moffat said as much, too, I believe). But that's not the point. It's just...I'm not saying they should make this into a whole relationship based series. And Moffat hasn't. There have been so many episodes where Amy is without Rory, and it's all a result of time. And Moffat wrapped up their relationship drama by 1. Introducing Rory into the TARDIS and 2. Getting them married by the finale. So...yeah. It worked out. tl;dr- Having some drama is always good, and it complements the darker side of the show. Since we only ever see hints of how dark and twisted the Doctor is, it's good to see some drama aired out.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Spaghetti7 — Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:24:40 -0500

Wow, I really wasn't expecting your response. I guess the differences between series 1-4 and the later series are a lot more distinct than I thought. I guess it comes from having two companions, but the Doctor really is quite different when he only has one companion. Even with Craig, because the episodes take place in and around Craig's house, they involve a lot of his life and problems. When you watch the older series it's the companion and the Doctor and while a good companion has to hold her (or his) own against the Doctor, they can't ever overshadow him. While you may see some of their life before they meet the Doctor, it's to show you what they're leaving behind, not the problems they're bringing along. Do you remember the first episodes of series 5 with Amy? The way she ran away from her wedding with Rory and put her life on hold in order to travel with the Doctor? Until Rory came in on the scene, that's the way Doctor Who has always been. The people who travel with him are those who want to run away, want something more than the life they've got and are willing to risk anything if they can just stay with the Doctor and not go back to their normal, human lives. The episodes where companions do return home are usually awkward and in the end, they're happy to leave and go back into space. When the Doctor brings Rory along, it's the first time that a companion has brought some of their troubles from home onto the TARDIS so half of series 5 and all of series 6 have a very different feel. He's always said that he prefers to travel with just one other person (doesn't want the TARDIS getting "domestic") but earlier in the series there's a girl who comes with him who has a boyfriend at home and her traveling with the Doctor causes all sorts of problems in their relationship. I think it's because of that whole thing that the Doctor even considered bringing Rory along at all. I think it was definitely the right thing to do, but when you consider that it's always been the Doctor and his plus one, the addition of even a little drama is huge. --- Also, yeah, I was disappointed when I found out Moriarty was dead too. Even though I'd already firmly believed he was dead, I don't think my brain made the connection that he wouldn't be coming back to the show.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Spaghetti7 — Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:29:26 -0500

Somehow rereading that I feel like it sounded like I was upset or something. (Tone of voice transfers so well over the internet!) I was just surprised with your response (the same way you were surprised with what Lauri and I said, I suppose :P) Anyways, I just wanted to add that the closest thing the older series have to drama is when the companions disagree with the Doctor about his ethics. That's usually where a lot of the character development comes in and where you see some of the darker tones in the show. Those two sentences look really awkward in a separate post but oh well, what can you do without an edit button?

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lady_Warrior — Thu, 19 Apr 2012 16:25:44 -0500

Hahaha, wow. I completely get what you're saying, though, it makes so much sense (I've seen the first two episodes of S1 and I know what you mean about running away and leaving it all behind). Same with Amy running away from her wedding and stuff. I'll admit, I never thought Rory was going to be such a huge part of the show, either. But then, I think it makes sense because they're River Song's parents, you know? They're actually a part of the Doctor's history, like. They're his in-laws. So maybe that's why Moffat chose to link them so closely to the Doctor. I mean, if it was just always a plus one, I would believe how he cares for his companions and manages to leave them behind. But with the Ponds, they're just so close. Again, not sure if he has such a close relationship with EVERY companion, but Amy and Rory, they just seem special. I don't think having this loop of exploring a Companion's backstory would work EVERY time (aka with Jenna). But for these two, it worked out perfectly, because it was always a part of the Doctor's story. Does that make sense? Haha. I'm sorta really excited about the seventh series (aren't we all?). Oooh, question! The present Doctor, where we left him at the end of the Christmas Special, he was >1000 years old, right? Because at the beginning of Series 6, the future!Doctor is that old and by the end I'm assuming that's who he is and... Wow. I just LOVED the overarching story plots in both series, it was just so good.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lady_Warrior — Sun, 22 Apr 2012 11:06:22 -0500

SO I'VE STARTED WATCHING SEASON 1 AND I AM IN LOVE With the Doctor and Rose and the story and akdlfadhjfbadf So glad I have four (and a half) more seasons to watch.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Spaghetti7 — Sun, 22 Apr 2012 18:27:45 -0500

I think every regeneration the Doctor has at least one person that he really connects with. You also can't really compare companions because it's sort of like telling a person to rank all the friends they'd ever had in their life, from elementary school to university to when they're in their 30's, etc. But as far as the first three go, I think Rose is someone he connects with, Martha is a bit of a dud, and then Donna was his best friend. Which is why I love Donna so much :) The only female companion who never once considered him as anything more than a friend. *sigh* I want another Donna. But I agree that his ties to the Ponds are a bit deeper simply for the fact that he's tied to the whole family. But in the end, it's always back to the Doctor and the TARDIS. As sad as it is, I think he has more in common with her than any of the humans or aliens or robots that he's traveled with. Yes, he is over 1000 now. I think they're a bit too casual about tacking on a century here or there to his age though. Since this series will presumably continue on forever, they should really try to keep the aging to a minimum before he starts using scientific notation to keep track of it.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lady_Warrior — Mon, 23 Apr 2012 01:01:36 -0500

MY HEART CHRISTOPHER ECCLESTON WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY I'm sorry. I just have really mixed feelings right about now and I need to vent in every possible outlet I can find. That was so sad. That last episode was so sad. Nine and Rose, Rose and Nine. It's so much. Oh my gosh. I seriously can't. I can't. Too many feelings right now. Arrgh. I think. Oh my gosh. I love this Doctor. I love Nine. They're all my darlings, all the regenerations. Even though they're all the same person. I don't care. My gosh.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Spaghetti7 — Mon, 23 Apr 2012 18:29:54 -0500

There are a few companions that do stay with the Doctor more than others. Rose especially, since he doesn't regenerate before she leaves so I think that leaves a stronger mark on him. (I also think that the way he and Rose separate has something to do with this, but I don't want to spoil anything for you.) But I think when his personality changes, it allows him to sort of archive all his memories from his previous regenerations, almost as if he can see them as the memories of a different person. It could just be a coping mechanism, but I think he's naturally inclined to move on into his "next life". There's also the fact that he almost always feels guilty about losing his companions because it never really ends well so I can't blame him for not wanting to bring it up, especially since it would only remind him of what he already knows: that letting someone come along with him is a one way ticket to a sticky end. I agree that Christopher Eccleston should've stayed for at least a second series. Unfortunately, he had a bad relationship with the people at Doctor Who and wasn't willing to stick around, even though he played a brilliant Doctor. The details are sketchy and I don't think they really want everyone to know about it, but they didn't part on good terms and when asked if he would come back to the show for the 50th anniversary or something like that he gave a very definite no.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Spaghetti7 — Wed, 25 Apr 2012 01:29:19 -0500

Doctor Who always seems like the show that would be perfect to work for but I guess it's good to have a bit of a reality check and realize that no matter how great a job is, you'll never have everyone getting along with everyone else all the time. I think what made it such a big issue was the fact that both parties involved were so well known to the fans and I'm not sure how much they told the public (I'm not really interested in knowing) but I am glad that it didn't seem to affect his performance on the show in any way. Also, I can't imagine the show if David Tennant and Matt Smith hadn't been cast as the 10th and 11th Doctors so if I can't squeeze in another season with the 9th Doctor, I guess I'll just have to appreciate the episodes that he did do. YES! I've seen that episode a dozen times and every time I still laugh when Cassandra first takes over his body. It's like they went out of their way to make him do something extra awkward in his first real Doctor Who episode :P (I don't count the Christmas episode as his first, he was unconscious for most of it, not to mention running around in a bathrobe.) I think there might've been something else I wanted to say but all I can think of is: David Tennant *dreamy sigh* (This is the reason I find it much easier to discuss my theories and opinions about Doctor Who when we're looking at the 11th Doctor, it's much easier to concentrate and put my fangirling to the side.) I'm so glad that you're watching these episodes!

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lady_Warrior — Wed, 25 Apr 2012 22:45:25 -0500

The most important thing I took out of your post is: David Tennant *dreamy sigh* Ahhh, yes, David Tennant. ~~How do I love thee? Let me count the ways~~ *coughs* Anyway, yes, you're right, of course. Nothing is always smooth sailing, though it appears to be from the front, and it's sad but hey. Also, I need to see that part again. Oh, that was delicious. Absolutely delicious. Loved the end, too. Also, also! The Christmas episode! "Haven't figured out what I am yet....Sexy? *wink*" Ohhhh, I love this Doctor. I love them all, of course. I just...I'm fangirling about this one right, now, 'kay. And seeing these seasons is helping me answer so many of the questions I had, conscious or otherwise. Like the Companion one I asked you! And then Sarah Jane Smith shows up, and I'm like...ohhhh. Oh. Makes so much sense. They're just answering my questions like that, snap snap. I love it. I can't wait to go back to series 5 and 6 and realize what I'd missed. Anyway. *squeal* I just....I love David Tennant. He's doing such a brilliant job. Such. A. Brilliant. Job. I can't believe that no Doctor before Matt Smith had ever been nominated for a BAFTA! And that Matt Smith wasn't, again, this year. But her, BENEDICT CUMBERBATCH, PEOPLE. He's nominated for Leading Actor again this year! :D I hope he gets it. Oh, and Andrew Scott and Martin Freeman have both been nominated for Supporting Actor...against each other, LOL. I want to say that I want Andrew Scott to win, and I do, but then I think of that last scene of Martin's where he's like "Let me through...please, he's my friend..." and I just die. And then I think of Moriarty, brilliant, brilliant Moriarty, and it's obvious he should win. And then back to the loop. Okay, sorry, do I come across as too-obsessed or over-fangirling? I'm sorry. Just stop me when I become over-weird. (Also, I can't imagine the show without the Doctors being who they are. All three were perfect perfect perfect.)

Re: Doctor Merlock

Spaghetti7 — Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:29:29 -0500

I know, I love him! He's brilliant :D I mean, Matt Smith is great but David Tennant is just so lovable. Plus he's a huge geek which makes him quite funny in interviews. (His costar in season 4 isn't into science fiction at all, ironically, so he's always pretending to get mad at her for not having seen Star Wars and stuff like that, it's great.) Also, him and John Barrowman are really funny together, every time they're together something funny happens. I feel a little bit sorry for Bille Piper because I think half the time David Tennant was just waiting around for another episode with Captain Jack. If you get a chance to, I highly HIGHLY recommend David Tennant's Hamlet. I watched it shortly after finishing Doctor Who and I actually liked him better as Hamlet than the Doctor which really says something. Patrick Stewart plays Claudius and the cast in general is quite good. Originally, the group preformed as part of the Royal Shakespearean Company but they got such good reviews they decided to turn it into a movie. It really influences the way that it's filmed so if you're a movie geek, you'll appreciate it :) I find it very amusing that Martin Freeman and Andrew Scott are competing for the same award :P I also agree that I can't decide who should get it. I'd say Freeman, just because he's more of a main character than Moriarty, but Moriarty was brilliantly depicted. Maybe they can share it or something, haha. And unless you start buying plane tickets so you can go and stalk Doctor Who actors, I won't worry too much. We fangirl a LOT here. (Speaking of plane tickets, I found out that one of my favourite actors from the tv series Firefly and a bunch of other Joss Whedon stuff is IN MY CITY filming a movie. I'm still trying to figure out how I'm going to track him down but I REALLY want to see him!)

Re: Doctor Merlock

badgerpride — Sat, 28 Apr 2012 17:43:49 -0500

What's a BAFTA? I know it's an award, but I don't really know anything else.

Re: Doctor Merlock

badgerpride — Thu, 03 May 2012 21:16:15 -0500

Season two of Sherlock premieres on Sunday in the U.S.! I'm really excited, even though I've already seen all of the episodes.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lauriloth — Sat, 05 May 2012 15:25:37 -0500

Goodness gracious. I've got to stop taking so long to come over here. This is going to take a while. *cracks knuckles* [quote=Spaghetti7]Oh yes, definitely the smarter one. You've got your gifs down (I still take half an hour to figure those out and then freak out and think they're not working at the last minute), not to mention most of my information comes from me stalking doctor who websites for updates. If you had less of a social life and/or cared less about things like AP exams that are right around the corner, we'd definitely be on even ground as far as who hears what first :)[/quote] I was forced to learn basic HTML years ago because of another site where it was used a lot. It took a lot of studying though and I'm still not very adequate. And...ahahaha! Me? Social life? Pft. No such thing. I'm just too lazy to go read up on all the DW theories and such. I already spend too much time on the computer as is. o.o Your reasons as to why Amy would die makes a scary amount of sense. *sniffles* I don't want her to die! I don't want anyone to die! She should get tossed in the parallel universe with Rose, I'm sure they'd have a lot to talk about. XD Ehehehe. ...No. That'd probably be a disaster. [quote=Spaghetti7]The reasoning behind all the 1900s/2000s human companions actually is so that the audience can relate to someone, but I think that it's possible to argue that the Doctor chooses people who are technologically capable enough to appreciate some of what he does in the TARDIS but still naive enough that all the worlds he takes them too still have a huge "wow" factor. Within the Doctor Who universe, I think our time is sort of on the brink of new technology and inter-space travel so it's perfect for him to take companions from. The reason he prefers humans is obviously because they look like Time Lords. It's sort of like being the last human being and so all your friends are these neanderthals who can't touch your IQ but at least look like humans enough that you can sometimes fool yourself into thinking that you aren't alone. As for why he picked humans before the Time Lords were all killed, I think it's because he was always an outcast from their society and no one would've wanted to travel with him. (Like the TARDIS said, only he was mad enough to hop in a time machine and never go back to Gallifrey.)[/quote] Gah! See? More proof that you are BRILLIANT! That makes perfect sense. The Doctor loves to be all show off-y, but if he brought someone from the, say, medieval times, he'd never be able to explain it all to them. While people from modern times are adequate enough in technology that we can sort of grasp it all, but still be in awe over everything and feed to his...vanity. XD And yes, bringing along someone who looks in appearance like him is probably much more comfortable and makes him feel less lonely. It is all clear to me now. [quote=Spaghetti7]Anyways, it's great to have someone else around here! This thread sort of morphs between Merlin, Sherlock and Doctor Who depending on what we're currently watching/which series we're waiting for but if there are things you want to add in about certain episodes, I can promise you that most of us remember everything that's happened in these three shows so it's not like we won't reply and/or fangirl with you just because something is slightly off topic. In fact, we probably won't even notice :)[/quote] Yes, this. It's funny how we kind of get on kicks with shows and go on and on about one of them for a long time then move to another. We're rarely talking about more than one at the same time. But I'm always up for talking about any of them. :D [quote=Lady_Warrior] I don't know why I was so surprised to hear Andrew Scott isn't coming back. -.- Like seriously, my reaction was to go NOOO WHAAAAT and then I realized of course, he's (as good as?) dead. Idk, I probably assumed he would pull something off, haha. Ha. *sobs* Moriarty was brilliant. [/quote] This was my exact reaction. To the dot. *sniffs* [quote=Lady_Warrior]WOW. I'm so surprised to see this. Even when Spags said it. It breaks my heart a little. Because I think the most brilliant thing about Doctor Who is the fact that DESPITE all the ridiculous stories and unrealism - there's this part of the universe and story that's so, so, so much darker. There's a reason I watched (nearly) all the episodes biting my fist or something so I wouldn't scream. There is so much depth. And I think evolving human relationships is all a part of that. Now, I'm not familiar with the older series, so I can't say, and maybe that's why both of you reacted like you did. But for me, coming in with Matt Smith being my first Doctor, I can honestly say I find everything brilliantly perfect. Yes, there is Amy/Rory drama. But they're not going to be on there for much longer. And sometimes it's easier to believe what you're saying when you have two human humans on the show, interacting and disbelieving and having their whole lives changing as a result of it (and Moffat said as much, too, I believe). But that's not the point. It's just...I'm not saying they should make this into a whole relationship based series. And Moffat hasn't. There have been so many episodes where Amy is without Rory, and it's all a result of time. And Moffat wrapped up their relationship drama by 1. Introducing Rory into the TARDIS and 2. Getting them married by the finale. So...yeah. It worked out. tl;dr- Having some drama is always good, and it complements the darker side of the show. Since we only ever see hints of how dark and twisted the Doctor is, it's good to see some drama aired out. [/quote] I do see your point here. It's kind of confusing how I feel about all the every day drama in the show. On the one hand, I really, really love all the ones with major Amy and Rory character development. Moffat did handle all that perfectly without making the show look like a soap opera. I just don't want the show to get too far into that where it will turn into your every day TV series drama. Things fall into that so easily. Doctor Who really sets itself apart from any other show, and I want it to stay that way. Some drama there is perfectly fine, I rather like it, I just fear it can go too far. Like with divorce? Please no. *sigh* That's not Doctor Who. DW is running around through space doing completely crazy things. The TARDIS isn't "domestic" and I just hope it stays that way. It probably will, I just know it is so easy to fall into that soap opera thing with shows. I fear that may happen. [quote=Lady_Warrior] SO I'VE STARTED WATCHING SEASON 1 AND I AM IN LOVE With the Doctor and Rose and the story and akdlfadhjfbadf So glad I have four (and a half) more seasons to watch. [/quote] I TOLD YOU YOU'D LOVE IT!!!! I KEPT TELLING YOU TO WATCH IT. Yes. YES! :D [quote=Lady_Warrior]I wish, though, in relation to the Companions and all - I wish the newer regenerated Doctor would sometimes refer to the older Companions, talk about them as if HE knew them, not his past regeneration. Because we know that he has all the memories, he DID know them. But the way they gloss over that is just...oh, yeah, okay, new body, new friends. Maybe just a look or a sentence to let us see that he still remembers and still cares. [/quote] I agree completely. I really, really hate how once the Doctor has regenerated it is like a completely new person and life. They did with Nine and Ten, but once you got to Eleven it was as if Rose, Martha, Donna, everyone, didn't even exist. I mean, surely the Doctor still cares about them, whether he looks different or not. It makes no sense. I'd be ecstatic if he occasionally mentions his days with Rose or something. Even small mention. Just SOMETHING! I know they kind of rebooted the series once Smith came along, but WHY? He's still the Doctor and still cared about all those people. I just don't like how they handle all that. No one can forget people that easily. Blargh. Spags did make a really good point though. The Doctor's mentality on handling things is to run away from them. So regenerating is probably kind of his cop out. Still though, all us fans would like a mention here and there of older stuff. 'Twould make me veeery happy. [quote=Lady_Warrior]Okay, sorry, do I come across as too-obsessed or over-fangirling? I'm sorry. Just stop me when I become over-weird.[/quote] Uh....NO! You're just letting out my exact feelings. Because every time I read your posts I'm going, "Yep. That's how I feel." "Spot on!" "Exactly!" "My exact thoughts!" Seriously. I totally get you, girl! Fangirl all you want. Please! I don't know anyone in real life who watches DW other than my brother, so I need people to fangirl with! [quote=Spaghetti7]There's something about Britain. It's like the popular kid of the western world that everyone wants to be like. (Which I guess would make the USA the average, mainstream people who make up most of the western world while Canada is the awkward little sibling that wants to be more like it's older, cooler brother but really has more in common with the other normal, average kids. Australia and New Zealand can be the cousins from out of town who you don't really know that well. They're the ones who you see once a year at family gatherings but for the most part you live separate lives.)[/quote] I loved how you explained this. Ahahaha. XD Wait...WHOA! You're going to school in the UK? I'm jelly. SO JELLY! That sounds amazing! :D Annnd...River Song might be leaving? Hm. Heh. I'm really not sure how I feel about this. At first I was like, "Oh thank goodness, she's so annoying." Then I started thinking about it and realized...maybe not. It might shouldn't be her time quite yet. Plus there is the fact that if she leaved tragically that puts yet another horrible heartbreak on the Doctor's shoulders. I just don't know how much more he can handle. I don't like my Doctor being heartbroken! D: [quote=Lady_Warrior]Anyway. David Tennant needs to carry the Olympic torch. Does the UK not realize this? [/quote] YES! He HAS to! Whoo! Caught up. I had even more I could have responded to, but since I had so much to catch up on I tried to keep it to the more important stuff. ...Sorta.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Spaghetti7 — Sun, 06 May 2012 10:00:46 -0500

I had a big long comment here that I was about to post when my cat jumped on my keyboard and managed to land on the right combination of buttons to close the window. Again. Now I'm about to run out the door and I don't have time to rewrite it but if I post this, at least I'll remember to come back and fix that.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lauriloth — Sun, 06 May 2012 13:56:51 -0500

Oh man, Spags, that' awful! I completely sympathize. When I was writing the last super long post I did (not yesterday's but the one before that) I was almost finished and just had one more quicky thing to type, but I accidentally closed the tab so had to do it all over again. >.> It made me sick. I know how heartbreaking that is so here, have a James McAvoy in a TARDIS to make you smile.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Spaghetti7 — Tue, 08 May 2012 10:24:33 -0500

@badger: It's great that you've started early as far as saving up for university. I recommend starting a savings account for it though, rather than a shoebox :P The secret is to make sure that you never EVER take any money out of that account. And then work through the summer and send it all straight to the post-secondary account because even though it makes your summers suck, it's not impossible to have your first year of tuition covered before you graduate, even if the university you want to go to pretty darn expensive. Now I'm gonna stop talking like my mom and tell you not to freak out about it too much, since most people change their majors and don't end up using the degree they have for the job they get anyways :) [quote=badgerpride] Season two of Sherlock premieres on Sunday in the U.S.! I'm really excited, even though I've already seen all of the episodes. [/quote] Awesome! I still have no idea when it shows in Canada but I really want to buy the DVD :) [quote=Lady_Warrior] Anyway. David Tennant needs to carry the Olympic torch. Does the UK not realize this? [/quote] YES! I really, really hope he does! I think it's a definite possibility, I mean, Doctor Who is such a huge part of British culture. And if they offer it to Matt Smith or anyone else involved with Doctor Who, that person should be very nice and redirect them to David Tennant's doorstep. [quote=Lauriloth] Your reasons as to why Amy would die makes a scary amount of sense. *sniffles* I don't want her to die! I don't want anyone to die! She should get tossed in the parallel universe with Rose, I'm sure they'd have a lot to talk about. XD Ehehehe. ...No. That'd probably be a disaster.[/quote] Haha, that WOULD be a disaster! Poor Amy, she'd lose it and start throwing herself at anything with a pulse, which would invariably lead to her making a pass and Rose's Doctor and things would just get increasingly messy from there until Amy jumped off a bridge and Rose spent her life regretting that she couldn't have done the honours herself! ...okay, maybe it wouldn't be quite that bad... but then again, think about all the other times Amy thought she'd lost Rory forever... Gah! I almost don't want to watch this series, I'm so stressed out about Rory and Amy! [quote=Lauriloth] [quote=Spaghetti7]The reasoning behind all the 1900s/2000s human companions actually is so that the audience can relate to someone, but I think that it's possible to argue that the Doctor chooses people who are technologically capable enough to appreciate some of what he does in the TARDIS but still naive enough that all the worlds he takes them too still have a huge "wow" factor. Within the Doctor Who universe, I think our time is sort of on the brink of new technology and inter-space travel so it's perfect for him to take companions from. The reason he prefers humans is obviously because they look like Time Lords. It's sort of like being the last human being and so all your friends are these neanderthals who can't touch your IQ but at least look like humans enough that you can sometimes fool yourself into thinking that you aren't alone. As for why he picked humans before the Time Lords were all killed, I think it's because he was always an outcast from their society and no one would've wanted to travel with him. (Like the TARDIS said, only he was mad enough to hop in a time machine and never go back to Gallifrey.)[/quote] Gah! See? More proof that you are BRILLIANT! That makes perfect sense. The Doctor loves to be all show off-y, but if he brought someone from the, say, medieval times, he'd never be able to explain it all to them. While people from modern times are adequate enough in technology that we can sort of grasp it all, but still be in awe over everything and feed to his...vanity. XD And yes, bringing along someone who looks in appearance like him is probably much more comfortable and makes him feel less lonely. It is all clear to me now. [/quote] I took some time working this out. I was very upset about how Doctor Who offered no apparent excuse for the way the companions are all human females from our time in history other than the convenience of giving the audience someone relatable and creating a nice balance with good chemistry as far as scripting went. [quote=Lauriloth] Annnd...River Song might be leaving? Hm. Heh. I'm really not sure how I feel about this. At first I was like, "Oh thank goodness, she's so annoying." Then I started thinking about it and realized...maybe not. It might shouldn't be her time quite yet. Plus there is the fact that if she leaved tragically that puts yet another horrible heartbreak on the Doctor's shoulders. I just don't know how much more he can handle. I don't like my Doctor being heartbroken! D:[/quote] I know what you mean! Right before she died, River told the 10th Doctor when she'd last seen him and how she had known something was up by the way he was acting, so obviously he'll be heartbroken when he sees her for the (second) last time from her perspective, but that doesn't mean that he can't see earlier versions of her afterwards. I'm actually very curious about how they're going to wrap up the River Song timeline because we always see things from the Doctor's perspective which means that we get hints and glimpses of River's timeline, but we have no idea how things are going to end up for him. I'm wondering if River will know when she's meeting the Doctor for the last time from his perspective and now I'm getting all depressed because if she does, that will be the saddest thing I've seen on Doctor Who since--well, you can guess what I'm thinking of Lauriloth. *sigh* The look on their faces right after the wall closes will forever be etched into my memory. *suddenly goes from really depressed to really excited* James McAvoy? JAMES MCAVOY! *fangirlsquealing* I LOVE THAT GUY! I think this is my new favourite gif, it might've even beat out the one with Merlin creeping on the Doctor :P Anyways, I've got an AP exam to get to that I probably shouldn't be late for so I'll stop talking now.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lady_Warrior — Tue, 08 May 2012 17:42:22 -0500

DAVID TENNANT IS NOT ON THE TORCHBEARERS LIST! *sobs* I hope that's not final and that he turns up and OMG PLEEEEEASE.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Spaghetti7 — Wed, 09 May 2012 19:53:56 -0500

*HEADDESK* Ignore that, Lady, it's not what you think! Normally I'm so careful about spoilers around here! Ugh. There are some things that seem like such an integral part of Doctor Who, I forget that they aren't general knowledge! How can David Tennant not be on the list of torch bearers? I am seriously peeved about that! *sigh* At least the rest of us can remember it the way it should've been. Really though, they get all sorts of celebrities and whatnot to do it, why not him?

Re: Doctor Merlock

Spaghetti7 — Fri, 11 May 2012 09:09:10 -0500

Oh boy, you're in the Martha season. *winces* It's okay, the 4th season is MUCH better, just plug on through. Besides, there are actually some really cool monsters and aliens in the 3rd season. I think they did that to compensate for the not-Rose-ness of it. The Shakespeare episode is actually one of my favourites though, although that's mostly because of a few really awesome lines :)

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lauriloth — Fri, 11 May 2012 15:43:27 -0500

[quote=Lady_Warrior] I'm ashamed (or proud?) to say that it did, in fact, make me smile. Oh, James McAvoy, you rogue. [/quote] PROUD! :D ....I guess. *shrugs* He is a rogue though. :3 [quote=Spaghetti7]Haha, that WOULD be a disaster! Poor Amy, she'd lose it and start throwing herself at anything with a pulse, which would invariably lead to her making a pass and Rose's Doctor and things would just get increasingly messy from there until Amy jumped off a bridge and Rose spent her life regretting that she couldn't have done the honours herself! ...okay, maybe it wouldn't be quite that bad... but then again, think about all the other times Amy thought she'd lost Rory forever...[/quote] Yes. This. The problem is, it probably would almost be that bad. Amy and Rose would most like detest each other to a violent degree. And Half Ten would be all, "I NEED ME A TARDIS! HALP! D:" And...yeah. It'd be horrible. [quote=Spaghetti7]I took some time working this out. I was very upset about how Doctor Who offered no apparent excuse for the way the companions are all human females from our time in history other than the convenience of giving the audience someone relatable and creating a nice balance with good chemistry as far as scripting went.[/quote] The problem with TV shows opposed to, say, books, is that the writers seem to think they don't have to explain things. They just want to feed to the audience with whatever action and drama pops in their head and not bother with the little details or even deep explanations. It often gets on my nerves. As a writer myself, I spend vast amounts of time trying to seal all those plot holes and any questions that need answering, down to minute ones. That's a very important part of writing. And yet TV show writers seem to dismiss that. It gets really annoying. [quote=Spaghetti7]I know what you mean! Right before she died, River told the 10th Doctor when she'd last seen him and how she had known something was up by the way he was acting, so obviously he'll be heartbroken when he sees her for the (second) last time from her perspective, but that doesn't mean that he can't see earlier versions of her afterwards. I'm actually very curious about how they're going to wrap up the River Song timeline because we always see things from the Doctor's perspective which means that we get hints and glimpses of River's timeline, but we have no idea how things are going to end up for him. I'm wondering if River will know when she's meeting the Doctor for the last time from his perspective and now I'm getting all depressed because if she does, that will be the saddest thing I've seen on Doctor Who since--well, you can guess what I'm thinking of Lauriloth. *sigh* The look on their faces right after the wall closes will forever be etched into my memory.[/quote] Sort of continuing River spoilers here, Lady. It does make one curious how it's going to work, being as how we already know her ending. (Which always makes me sad that his first meeting of her was her last meeting of him, but anyways.) So what makes it where the Doctor can't see her anymore? What will his last time of seeing her be? It's all just so confusing...I can't even imagine how it will work. But I have great faith in Moffat, so I'm not really worrying about it. ...Except for the probable horrible heartbreak the Doctor will suffer. D': End [quote=Spaghetti7]*suddenly goes from really depressed to really excited* James McAvoy? JAMES MCAVOY! *fangirlsquealing* I LOVE THAT GUY! I think this is my new favourite gif, it might've even beat out the one with Merlin creeping on the Doctor :P[/quote] Yay! I didn't know if you liked him or not, but he's JAMES MCAVOY! Who doesn't love him? Plus, you're like my brain twin, so obviously if I like him you would, too. XD But yes, I adore that GIF. Ah, if only he could be the next Doctor. I think my life would be complete. [quote=Lady_Warrior] DAVID TENNANT IS NOT ON THE TORCHBEARERS LIST! *sobs* I hope that's not final and that he turns up and OMG PLEEEEEASE. [/quote] WHAAAT? NOOOOO!!!!!!! D: But...but...but...he has to! @Martha/Season 3 discussion- My feelings on this is very confusing. You see, the first time I watched through the series I did not like Martha a bit. In my mind, she was just "the companion that replaced Rose" and thus I automatically didn't like her. Then when I started the series over for the second time, I, of course, knew what was going to happen so could see Martha as an actual person and not just "the companion that replaced Rose". And I discovered I actually liked Martha, a lot. I felt so guilty for not liking her for so long and not giving her a chance. Once I did, I realized she is actually a very strong, rather great character. I'm almost inclined to say I like her better than Amy, honestly. Martha is pretty cool. I just hate it took me so long to see that. As far as the episodes, season 3 has some pretty great ones. One of which is my (and pretty much the universal) favorite episode ever. There's some really good stuff in that season. So don't dread it, Lady, enjoy it! ^_^

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badgerpride — Mon, 14 May 2012 22:06:06 -0500

I love my friend. He had a dream last night that was a montage of my life, and I married Rory and had River Song as a child. Then Rory and I died holding hands. I approve.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lady_Warrior — Thu, 17 May 2012 18:28:59 -0500

So tumblr got me so excited for a moment I didn't know what to do with myself. And then I went to verify the 'fact' and realized it wasn't true. So before you guys get excited, this picture is fake. I was so happy and excited for a moment. BLAH. YOU SHOULDN'T MESS WITH SERIOUS STUFF LIKE THIS. I'm sad, I know. ;____;

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lauriloth — Sat, 19 May 2012 14:14:14 -0500

[quote=Spaghetti7]THIS. Obviously most books do have varying degrees of plot holes no matter how hard the author tries to fill them in, if you're willing to look far enough, but tv shows leave GAPING CRATERS. I know that it's a completely different form of media and because you take it in over a much shorter period of time (45 minutes compared to 3-4 hours over the course of 1-2 weeks) people have much less time to sit back and examine the show because oh my gosh explosions and flashing lights and stuff is always happening in front of my face! But just because you can get away with it does NOT mean it's acceptable. Especially when it comes to unique and original shows with a fan base that has been committed for multiple decades. For the most part, I think Doctor Who does follow that standard and holds up to scrutiny, but there's still the odd thing that makes me wonder if they were sloppy or if I'm just going crazy.[/quote] It's true that sometimes not every single tiny hole can be plugged in. But yes, these craters that TV shows leave everywhere is somewhat infuriating. As far as DW goes, I think once Moffat took over, plot holes really started to get filled in. The earlier ones were pretty cheesy and didn't always answer the questions well. Moffat, on the other hand, I think fixes everything with a fine toothed comb. The thing about him is he has an answer for everything even if he doesn't show the audience. He really likes to get his audience to think deeply, so even if it seems like there is plot holes with his stories, there isn't. You just have to think reeeally hard about it. If that makes sense. And remind me, what is this "thing" we're talking about? [quote=Spaghetti7]Yep, pretty much. Part of me is tempted to start listing random crap I like just to see if you agree but I think it would take all the fun out of finding these weird connections when we don't expect to :)[/quote] Ahahaha. That's funny. I probably would agree to everything! XD [quote=Spaghetti7]And finally... regarding the whole Martha thing. *deep breath* Look, it's not that I hate her, at least not anymore. I just don't think she was what the Doctor needed at that point. After losing Rose, I think he grabbed the first person that reminded him of her which led to all sorts of problems. First of all, despite similarities, Martha isn't Rose so every time she shows that, instead of embracing her as her own complete character the Doctor (and the audience) just look at her like she's substandard. Second of all, she's smitten with the Doctor which really is a problem he's not at all qualified to deal with. *sigh* I guess I don't hate her and I understand why it happened, but what the Doctor really needed was a Donna Nobel. In fact he still does. I'm crossing my fingers hoping that we get someone like that in the second half of series 7 :)[/quote] See? Another thing we agree on. As a person, I like Martha a lot. But as a companion for the Doctor at that time, it just wasn't good for him...at all. It wasn't a good time for her to have to travel with him either. He desperately needed a companion like Donna who is strictly a friend and doesn't want him to be infatuated with her either. It just gets too complicated as is. But doing it right after all the tragedy with Rose was just awful. I felt bad for the Doctor and Martha. It wasn't the right time for either of them to travel together. And you are so, so right. The Doctor still needs a "Donna". He and Donna had so much fun and there wasn't any of that kind of drama. It was so good for him. I'm with you, I can only hope the next one will be like that. [quote=badgerpride] I love my friend. He had a dream last night that was a montage of my life, and I married Rory and had River Song as a child. Then Rory and I died holding hands. I approve. [/quote] *Stamps "Awesome Dreamer" seal on your forehead* I approve as well. *Looks at fake picture* *Gets heartsick* People. >.>

Re: Doctor Merlock

badgerpride — Sun, 20 May 2012 23:00:58 -0500

I just watched Reichenbach Fall when it premiered on TV, so now *SPOILERS FOR REICHENBACK FALL* *SERIOUSLY, THIS IS A SPOILER, YOU SHOULD STOP READING NOW* I'm thinking again about how Sherlock might have faked his death. I only have one theory though.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Spaghetti7 — Mon, 21 May 2012 21:46:47 -0500

[quote=Lauriloth] As far as DW goes, I think once Moffat took over, plot holes really started to get filled in. The earlier ones were pretty cheesy and didn't always answer the questions well. Moffat, on the other hand, I think fixes everything with a fine toothed comb. The thing about him is he has an answer for everything even if he doesn't show the audience. He really likes to get his audience to think deeply, so even if it seems like there is plot holes with his stories, there isn't. You just have to think reeeally hard about it. If that makes sense. And remind me, what is this "thing" we're talking about?[/quote] I actually wasn't refering to anything is specific, just a few things that get under my nerves. Like the Globe Theatre which has 20 sides, not 14. (Both the original and the rebuild.) I mean really? 14 wasn't essential to the story, why didn't someone look that up?! Spoilers for the end of Doctor Who series 5 As far as Moffat goes, the one that I really can't figure out is the ending to The Big Bang Two. I mean, the TARDIS exploding with the energy of the Pandorica at every point in history? The TARDIS was stuck in a time loop with River Song. I don't understand how it would be able to suddenly transport itself EVERYWHERE at the same "time". Obviously as a time machine the TARDIS exists at different points in history all at once, but within its own personal time stream, how can the TARDIS move itself to two different places at once? And then what about the Pandorica? Is it inside the TARDIS? Did he put it on some sort of a hitch on the back? I mean obviously the Pandorica has the potential to restore things and the TARDIS can travel in space and time but when time and space are ending it gets complicated and the logistics of it all don't seem to add up. I also feel like Moffat got a few too many different timeline going. Obviously we know what the Doctor knows because we see everything from his perspective, but I really have no idea how Amy and Rory and especially River Song remember everything. It's all too confusing and I have a feeling that if Moffat sat down and tried to write it all out, he might have a few loose ends that wouldn't quite tie up. I like the way he manages to pull everything together, but sometimes I feel like I'm so amazed that he managed to get any sense out of his convulated plot twists, I don't look as closely as I should at the result. Or maybe I don't look closely enough, like I said, I really don't know if the problem is with me or the writing. And even if there ARE a few holes here and there, it's not like any of them are irritating enough to stop me from watching the show :) [quote=Lauriloth]The Doctor still needs a "Donna". He and Donna had so much fun and there wasn't any of that kind of drama. It was so good for him. I'm with you, I can only hope the next one will be like that.[/quote] Fingers crossed :) And as far as Sherlock goes... for those of you who are interested, I present once more: the very nearly exhaustive list of theories and snippets regarding the ending of Sherlock Series 2 I'd also love to hear your theory badger, we're all going crazy trying to sort it out. And Moffat has already said (just to get under our skin a little more, I think) that there's a big clue everyone has missed. He also hinted that the secret lies in a point where Sherlock behaves out of character. I can't wait for the series to come out of DVD here in Canada so that I can buy them and go through the episode slowly with a notebook and deerstalker :)

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lady_Warrior — Tue, 22 May 2012 14:23:41 -0500

Speaking of how Moffat has a great eye for detail, there's something that's bugging me. You know how River says that they keep meeting out of order, the Doctor and her? Each meeting she knows more about him and he less about her? How does that work? :/ I would ask in a more detailed fashion but...I'm really not sure what it is that I'm asking...

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lauriloth — Wed, 23 May 2012 14:38:42 -0500

[quote=Spaghetti7]I actually wasn't refering to anything is specific, just a few things that get under my nerves. Like the Globe Theatre which has 20 sides, not 14. (Both the original and the rebuild.) I mean really? 14 wasn't essential to the story, why didn't someone look that up?![/quote] Oooh, okay. I just thought I forgot about something specific we were talking about in previous discussions or something. *shrugs* Also...I feel ashamed, I didn't even know that about the Globe Theater. Eheh. But the writers should definitely know! Yes, someone should look these things up. It's these little things that could easily be fixed that annoy me. I understand how some big plot things are hard to fix, but why not make up for it by making little things perfectly right? That probably made no sense... [quote=Spaghetti7]Spoilers for the end of Doctor Who series 5 As far as Moffat goes, the one that I really can't figure out is the ending to The Big Bang Two. I mean, the TARDIS exploding with the energy of the Pandorica at every point in history? The TARDIS was stuck in a time loop with River Song. I don't understand how it would be able to suddenly transport itself EVERYWHERE at the same "time". Obviously as a time machine the TARDIS exists at different points in history all at once, but within its own personal time stream, how can the TARDIS move itself to two different places at once? And then what about the Pandorica? Is it inside the TARDIS? Did he put it on some sort of a hitch on the back? I mean obviously the Pandorica has the potential to restore things and the TARDIS can travel in space and time but when time and space are ending it gets complicated and the logistics of it all don't seem to add up. I also feel like Moffat got a few too many different timeline going. Obviously we know what the Doctor knows because we see everything from his perspective, but I really have no idea how Amy and Rory and especially River Song remember everything. It's all too confusing and I have a feeling that if Moffat sat down and tried to write it all out, he might have a few loose ends that wouldn't quite tie up. I like the way he manages to pull everything together, but sometimes I feel like I'm so amazed that he managed to get any sense out of his convulated plot twists, I don't look as closely as I should at the result. Or maybe I don't look closely enough, like I said, I really don't know if the problem is with me or the writing. And even if there ARE a few holes here and there, it's not like any of them are irritating enough to stop me from watching the show :)[/quote] Ah yes! I didn't think about the whole Pandorica thing when I said Moffat usually doesn't leave plot holes. All of that did bother me a bit. It just kind of...didn't make a whole lot of sense. He built everything up so highly, then the result seemed a bit...odd? I don't know. I just didn't quite get it. As far as the multiple timelines go, I actually like it that way. I love the utterly confusing ridiculousness of it all. You do make a point about Amy, Rory, and River though. The Doctor can handle and understand it all, sure. But how do they keep up with everything? Since the TARDIS kind of gets inside your head, do you think that would help? I don't know, this just came to me right now. Perhaps the TARDIS helps them grasp all the wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff a bit better. *shrugs* I have no clue. It might just begin all making sense after traveling with the Doctor after a time. Yes. Plot holes, big and gaping or not, would never make me stop watching! I mean, Merlin constantly has completely unexplained things, but I really just don't care. I love the show and characters too much to even worry about it. I don't like plot holes and how TV writers seem to think they don't have to bother filling them, but I can easily accept it and just enjoy the show for what it is. Besides, a little cheese adds some flavor. XD [quote=Spaghetti7]And as far as Sherlock goes... for those of you who are interested, I present once more: the very nearly exhaustive list of theories and snippets regarding the ending of Sherlock Series 2[/quote] Ah! Now that was a good read. Really gets the brain ticking... [quote=Spaghetti7]It's difficult to explain without some sort of a diagram... Aha! Feel free to ignore the above and simply follow this.[/quote] Wow. That person was brilliant. [quote=Spaghetti7] Haha, it's okay. The problem is you're forgetting that when River Song regenerates, she looks a lot older than she is played by Alex Kingston. She has 3 different bodies in total: Melody, Mels, and River. When she goes from Melody to Mels, we're not sure what exactly age she becomes but she does say that she becomes a child so really, the most she could gain/lose as far as looking the wrong age is maybe 5 years. Then her Mels regeneration is supposedly the same physical age as Amy (same year at school) so when she regenerates into River Song, she has to be in her late 20's at the oldest. [/quote] You explain things so well. o.o I never know how to explain all these wibbly wobbly things. My mind grasps it, I just can't put it into words to make any sense. Lol.

Re: Doctor Merlock

BlueGonfalon — Tue, 11 Oct 2011 15:35:21 -0500

Hi Lauri!! Can we start our gif war again? Pwwweeeaase?

Re: Doctor Merlock

BlueGonfalon — Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:21:30 -0500

OOh, yeah, that'd be nice! I miss it a lot. But we are beginning something new! Omigosh...I just thought of something. This thread...REGENERATED!! =D

Re: Doctor Merlock

Spaghetti7 — Wed, 12 Oct 2011 21:37:28 -0500

Well there's always this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDZQGS6hoC8

Re: Doctor Merlock

Launisch — Wed, 12 Oct 2011 22:03:22 -0500

YES. Ought I to leave a video now? I feel that I should. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3twjoxiwikw&t=0m45s

Re: Doctor Merlock

GallifreyGirl — Sun, 16 Oct 2011 20:53:51 -0500

Shoot! That's not the gif I thought I was using! *considers changing it* Nah, I'm too lazy.

Re: Doctor Merlock

SetsunaSakamoto — Fri, 21 Oct 2011 18:35:16 -0500

www.crossingthewhoniverse.com :P

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Launisch — Mon, 24 Oct 2011 06:02:09 -0500

And this cliffhanger is just RIDICULOUS. It doesn't make you go, "Hm, I wonder what happens next"; it makes you grab your screen and ram your head against it frantically in the hopes that somehow, something else will happen. When I heard the next season was being delayed, I had to resist the urge to hurl my computer out the window. That's just cruel.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Spaghetti7 — Wed, 26 Oct 2011 19:14:29 -0500

[quote=Lauriloth] *takes a deep breath* Okay, okay. I will try to forgive you. ;) I have to admit, Matt Smith does play a fine Doctor, so it confuses me why I do not like him so much. I just cannot understand it. I try to like him, and he has so many quirky and silly ways which I normally would love in any sort of character, but I just don't like him. GAH! I cannot figure it out. It is probably Tennant's and all his awesomeness fault. ;P[/quote] You know, I think if I'd watched David Tennant as the series progressed, I wouldn't have accepted Matt Smith quite so easily. First of all, I would've been much more used to Tennant and less willing to let him go. Second, I had the benefit of knowing that Matt Smith was coming next when I watched the series so while it did shock me, I sorta knew it was coming. [quote=SetsunaSakamoto]But honestly... The highlight of seasons 5 and 6? Rory. Just... Rory. <3 [/quote] This. Right here. I honestly do not know if I would even liked the newer ones that much if it were not for Rory. Amy annoys me, I do not like Matt Smith, but Rory...oh dear, dear Rory. ^_^ He is too good for Amy. ♥ [/quote] YES. Amy wouldn't have been so bad if it was just her but the way Rory loves her and how she just sorta tolerates him as if he's only there to ruin her fun time with the Doctor... yeah, she gets on my nerves. Rory on the other hand is absolutely amazing :)

Re: Doctor Merlock

Spaghetti7 — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:27:42 -0500

LOL! If this were a facebook group, you would've just stumbled over our picture :P As soon as the Nanomail from last year comes back, I'll have to add all the new material to my ever growing collection of gifs, pictures, and whatnots. It is great though. We all have issues keeping our fangirling and whatnot straight with these three shows because we loved them so much. The strange thing is how many other people like all three of these shows when they're so different from each other but somehow it works :) Oh and by the way, for the DoctorDonna fans, if you haven't seen it already, this cracks me up every time I watch it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxB1gB6K-2A

Re: Doctor Merlock

SetsunaSakamoto — Sun, 30 Oct 2011 15:43:23 -0500

:D <3 The extent of my Doctor Who obsession is really unknown to most people... And then they see my fanfic list... Ahem:

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SetsunaSakamoto — Mon, 31 Oct 2011 14:48:33 -0500

:P I write strictly canon things. Speculative things a lot too, but only before certain things are revealed. Like my super long River-is-actually-Donna fic that SHOULD have been real, but wasn't... *shakes fist at Moffat*

Re: Doctor Merlock

SetsunaSakamoto — Sat, 12 Nov 2011 09:43:45 -0600

If you'd like to read it, there's a link in my profile to my ff.net site. The story is called "Demon's Run". Going to make it into a whole series because Donna-River is too cool. Lol

Re: Doctor Merlock

vampirequeen — Sun, 13 Nov 2011 17:44:43 -0600

^stupid typos. Ignore them.

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BlueGonfalon — Thu, 08 Dec 2011 13:21:57 -0600

REALLY? REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY???????? AIYEEEEEEEE!!!! I'M SO EXCITED!!!

Re: Doctor Merlock

Spaghetti7 — Sat, 10 Dec 2011 12:44:24 -0600

Welcome to the club! We started this last year when a couple of us were talking about these three shows on and unrelated thread and very kindly told to migrate elsewhere. What we didn't expect was the number of people out there who also love these three shows, seeing as the all of them are extremely different from each other. Well, aside from the BBC connection :) Anyways, I can't encourage you strongly enough to go ahead and watch Merlin. It's the complete opposite of Sherlock and we all know it's impossible to try and compare anything to Doctor Who, but you sorta fall in love with it without realizing it :)

Re: Doctor Merlock

Spaghetti7 — Mon, 26 Dec 2011 18:51:07 -0600

If it isn't want of spare time that's getting in your way, I might be able to point you in the direction of an extremely useful link *insert conspiratorial wink*

Re: Doctor Merlock

Spaghetti7 — Wed, 28 Dec 2011 01:51:32 -0600

[quote=BlueGonfalon] ...whoa. It's like...all our favorite shows are having a crossover thing. o.O [/quote] LOL! I know what you mean. Fanfiction writers are a bit crazy and will latch onto just about anything, but sometimes it seems like writers and directors go out of their way to throw them material :P Also, I sent you a message. If it doesn't work, let me know right away and I will find a way to fix it so that you can join in on the discussion without fear of spoilers :) @Lauri: I never noticed the handholding thing. I will now take note of this while I rewatch the old Doctor Who episodes. (I'm going through them slowly, just from time to time, still in season 2 and loving it *dreamy sigh*) I'm going a bit crazy trying to figure out the next companion. A little while ago, I was sure it would be River, but I realized that the show would turn into an awful melodramatic romantic sci-fi and breathed a sigh of relief when I realized that Steven Moffat would never let it happen. I also saw something somewhere online where it mentioned that the companion would be someone new, which takes Craig and ~~maybe~~ Alphie/Stormageddon off of my list. I figure it'll be another girl, although it would be kind of weird at first, I'd love to see the Doctor with a male companion. It's highly unlikely so I'm focusing my wishes on it being a girl who won't fall for the Doctor period. ...I guess what I'm saying, is that I want another Donna Noble :)

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lady_Warrior — Wed, 07 Mar 2012 23:37:14 -0600

I'm in the same boat! D: My friend's ahead of me and I'm all NOOOO but I'm so busy I can't catch up! D: Matt Smith. <3

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lady_Warrior — Sat, 10 Mar 2012 09:36:52 -0600

:O I don't think she sees Rory as a consolation prize! She sees him as someone who'll always be there, no matter what stuff she goes through. And she's just like that, flirting with the Doctor, flirting with herself... xD

Re: Doctor Merlock

Spaghetti7 — Fri, 16 Mar 2012 02:43:20 -0500

Hmm... well, I can't cite anything from the 6th season to argue against you, but I guess it's pretty much just a continuation of the same attitude Amy has in season 5. I know she does love Rory, and I think she does get over the Doctor (well, sorta. She tries to anyways) but there's no way she loves him as much as he loves her. It just makes their relationship a bit awkward and I feel so bad for Rory, always getting beat up or killed or abandoned and whatnot. I just want to reach through my tv screen and give him a hug.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Spaghetti7 — Mon, 26 Mar 2012 12:26:42 -0500

Nothing but series 6 of Doctor Who spoilers [quote=Lauriloth] Oh my goodness, Spags! That's right! It makes perfect sense. Of course she would have loyalty issues, everyone keeps leaving her. Well then, that gives me a newfound respect for her. I can't believe I didn't think of this before. You're a genius! Now I really can't blame her too much for the way she acts with Rory. But still, when a guy waits for you for 2 thousand years, it just seems like you'd respect him a bit more. [/quote] Rewatch The Girl Who Waited. Trust me, it makes SO much more sense. Instead of going "what the heck is wrong with Amy?!" you suddenly realize that for her, Rory has been the one person in her life who she never had to wait for. Even from when they were kids, he's been the one waiting for her and assuring her that no matter what happens, he'll always be there. Sure, she's used to getting abandoned by the Doctor, but when Rory leaves her for 30 years... But then even though she's tried to cut herself off from it and act like she doesn't love him, she can't quite bring herself to do it, so she helps him. And it's hard too, because let's face it, he basically asks her for help to get the old version of her back--abandoning her again--but she helps him anyways. Then you have that scene at the end of the episode where they're standing on either side of the TARDIS doors and she tells him not to let her in. Really, that episode shows you how much she DOES love Rory. I mean yes, the fact that she still runs around flirting with anything on two legs isn't very nice but it's her way of coping. Scared of being abandoned? Make everyone you can want you as much as possible. Yes, she's still obsessed with the Doctor, (think of how you'd behave if you were in the TARDIS with the Doctor and your boyfriend just sort of showed up one day) but no matter what, she'll never leave Rory. (I mean let's face it, who would leave Rory?) end spoilers Lady Warrior wherever you are, there's something you need to know: After an intense discussion and the rewatching of two Doctor Who episodes, I take back what I said about Amy. She isn't my favourite character, but she's pretty darn awesome and she definitely loves Rory. I no longer hold any sort of grudge against her. (Well, maybe just a tiny little bit) but really, for the most part I'm over it. Yes, she does some crappy things to Rory but she's got very legitimate reasons for being a bit of a twat and the fact that her and Rory love each other enough to work past her problems is really sweet :)

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lady_Warrior — Wed, 11 Apr 2012 18:57:19 -0500

none* there* Sheesh.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lady_Warrior — Thu, 12 Apr 2012 12:16:17 -0500

Okay, so. First I shall address the divorce thing. I don't think it happens after all! Or if they do have one of their downs, I think they patch it up, because, as you know, the DW crew is in New York filming and (posting as links so you don't have to follow if you don't want to for fear of spoilers): http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2cbqaUycL1rswfk2o1_500.jpg http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2cbqaUycL1rswfk2o2_400.jpg So unless they're together in RL (which I would still totally support)...everything ends up being FINE between them! So relieved. Okay, now to start addressing what you said. Yes, the Doctor is adorable, he just makes everything so much better between the two of them, I love it. "Texting and scones". Oh, oh, and (since this is somewhat related because we're talking about the Doctor's inadequacy with human behaviour), the way he greets people? "This is how they greet people nowadays, isn't it?" and then he gets this serious little expression and air-kisses them...it's just so adorable. *coughs* Anyway. You're right in saying that it would be unforgiveable of Amy if she had Divorced him, and you're right about Rory too. I didn't think of it like that, but...after sticking by her so long, he would know better than anyone how it would hurt her, him leaving. Like, even in that episode where they're stuck and Rory keeps waiting for her so long he starts hating her. Oh, goodness, just thinking about it makes my heart hurt. Can you imagine? In one stream, Amy's just turning the corner to find him. In another, Rory's just sitting there waiting and waiting and waiting for Amy to return. Ugh... As for that clip...the fist-pump/happy dance actually happens before, I think. Because he's wearing his jacket, and later he storms out with the jacket in his hands. I really don't know what's up with those two but it better not be something too bad, Moffat. I'm already heart-broken over the scant spoilers I've been seeing. I'll be an absolute mess when the actual episodes come out. What's with this Companions getting crappy endings? NOOOOO. I hate it. I mean, I love these two, I just love love love love love love love love love these two, to bits. I can't imagine the show without them. The next companion will have to be one heckuva girl to make me forget these two. I hope they come back later for, like, a cameo or something. River Song. Right. I absolutely LOVE HER. First episode she appeared, I wasn't so sure. But from the second episode onwards...definitely. She's one of my favourites too. I mean, I actually love every character that's appeared, but the Doctor, Amy, Rory and her are my tops. Of course. And I totally ship Eleven and River. Shipping Eleven/Amy seems so far away now, it's weird. That was before Rory came on the scene, of course. So there. That's my take on it. Also, that makes sense! Neither-handed is much more appropriate than ambidextrous, I totally buy that.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Spaghetti7 — Fri, 13 Apr 2012 00:40:11 -0500

I'm not sure if this will make sense or not but... if the Ponds almost get a divorce and then change their minds at the last minute I think THAT might make me mad too. Doctor Who has always had a touch of romance here and there but never any drama. Even the Ponds have been on the show for an unusually long time and as much as I love them, I really want to see the 11th Doctor interacting with someone else. They've also taken up a lot of space on the show, I don't know if that makes sense, but I guess because the Doctor normally just has his plus 1, the Ponds have needed a lot more time to develope their own relationship and backstory apart from the Doctor. I'm not saying that I don't like it, but I think that in the end the show does have to be about the Doctor and the TARDIS, not the drama that goes on between his companions without his noticing. Also, side note, I really hope that River doesn't leave with the Ponds. That would make me really sad, not to mention create an awkward break at the halfway point in the series. I've calmed down about the Ponds now, though. I'm just going to assume the best. I think that there will be a legitimate reason for the conflict (Maybe it will have something to do with River? Do you think they'll have another kid? That would be weird, since River would be meeting with someone she pressumably knows in the future who is around her age and not a funky part timelord.) Why does River always travel back in time to see the Doctor when her parents are young? The answer that just popped into my head is "because she CAN'T see them in the correct time line" which makes me really nervous for the Ponds and their ending. I always thought it was weird how she seems to have such a close connection with them, it'd be like me travelling back in time to see my parents in their 20's when I'm in my 40's. But if her parents are divorced or dead or whatever it is that happens to them in the future, then it makes a lot more sense. *headdesk* Just when I thought I'd gotten over all of my worries about series 7. I hate the way the companions get crappy endings, but it makes sense. Traveling through all of time and space and dealing with exploding planets and ruptures in time on a regular basis, at some point you won't make a last minute escape. I may not like Martha, but I definitely respect her for being able to leave the Doctor of her own will before anything happened to her. I love this show to pieces, but it's no wonder that there's a part of the Doctor that hates himself. He's not willing to stop running around and stay in one place, being the last of his kind it's not really an option, and yet he's not able to be alone without getting lonely and causing damage to the rest of the world without someone there to make him see sense. I can't remember which episode it is, but he says that when he offers his companions all of space and time it's like offering a suitcase of candy to a 5 year old, they just have to say yes. And at some point or another, they get hurt and the few that are able to go back to their lives aren't able to adjust to normal life on Earth. But what other options does he have? So he puts on a good face and gets excited over interesting aliens because with no way of ending the cycle the best he can do is try to fly around meeting as many different people as he can, always looking for something new to create the illusion of change. This show suddenly became deeply depressing. But I think that's part of what I like about Doctor Who. It doesn't always have a happy ending and there are a lot of darker undertones to some of the episodes but then "the good things don't always soften the bad things, and vice versa, the bad things don't necessarily spoil the good things or make them unimportant" :)

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lady_Warrior — Fri, 13 Apr 2012 12:47:42 -0500

Yeah, you're right. I don't want a cop-out, not at all, just a satisfying conclusion. Then again, with Moffat at the helm, it's bound to be a good one. I haven't seen any of the seasons before Matt Smith's, so maybe that's why I don't have a good sense of how long the companions stay on for, or how important they are. I just love the Ponds to bits, but I think you're right when you say that any longer might get trying. I think it WILL be interesting to see how the Doctor gets along with others. I mean, I was always a bit disappointed in those two episodes with Craig (I think it was? The guy with the 'upstairs' that isn't really there?) because that meant no Ponds, but I'd soon really forget myself and get immersed in the Doctor and his antics again. So I suppose it's not really that bad a thing at all. I also really really really really REALLY hope River stays. That would be a major bummer, having her leave with the rest. I don't think they should do that, because you don't want to sort of reboot the whole show, you know? Ohhhh I've just realized how poignant it was, having Amy as a companion and then Rory and having them meet River Song and WOW. I wish I'd seen the older seasons first now, because that makes it so much more brilliant. Also, about them being dead or divorced...why does your reasoning make so much sense? That's so sad. And...yeah, it is, very sad. I mean...yeah. Very sad. I see how it can be that not everyone has a happy ending, but I felt that the Ponds deserve one. I think it would be cool if they had another kid...that could be potentially another reason for their fight. Maybe Amy doesn't want one, because she's scared s/he'll be taken away again (abandonment issues rear up, at a stretch), but Rory's like, no, we have to move on, we can't keep dwelling on the Doctor and the TARDIS. That would be great character development. I really love how they portray the Doctor's loneliness and self-hatred. It's just...so sad, but it's like...okay, I can't pity this guy because he's so far gone. In that one episode, the dream one (The Dream Lord?), everything he says "Oh, you can't be anyone else, you're the one person who hates me the most in this universe" and then in then end it's like, oh, it was the Doctor all aloneg...it's just so heart-breaking. But again, he's too far away for comfort. You feel as if he can only live in the moment and feel in that one moment. Outside of it, he just goes so so far away. That episode was amazing. I love that about Doctor Who, too, haha, and that quote sums it up perfectly. It has a great story, even greater characters, and it's not just a happy-happy-visiting-exciting-places-and-having-fun show. It's got a story, and such characterization... 3 It's so great. Don't know how I stayed so long without seeing it. Some of the lines are just so...wow.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lady_Warrior — Sat, 14 Apr 2012 22:00:31 -0500

NO! I LOVE THOSE EPISODES! What I meant to say was, even though it seems like I wouldn't enjoy DW without the monotony of the Ponds on it, there were episodes with Craig that DIDN'T have our favourite couple and though I'd be disappointed for a second, I'd soon get so immersed in it I wouldn't even care. I loved both those episodes, especially the second one where the woman mistakes the Doctor and Craig as a couple. xD Wait, so all Doctor Who seasons DIDN'T connect in a giant web of mind-blowing-ness? :O I didn't know that! Yeah, I've watched the first two episodes of Season 1, but I just...need to get round to watching the rest. I really do want to, especially Tenth, but...let's see. I need to survive finals first. *excuse of the moment* Also, I don't think something happens to Amy, but maybe to Rory. Because (correct me if I'm wrong), but River met Amy and everything and it was great. But the first time she met Rory, in the episode "A Good Man Goes to War" (I think?), she's like, "Oh...you're Rory..." and she seems absolutely touched and like she's seeing him for the first time ever and stuff. Which might be true, but...you know. But with Amy she didn't really seem to be. And if something DOES happen to Rory, it'll be really sad for Amy but...I'll just be glad that Rory didn't have to wait anymore. D: AND YES. She does get a bit annoying, and her "I want to die" at the end isn't really that convincing, but...I LOVE when it's like the Dream Lord is/is based off of the Doctor. It's such a BAM moment. I can't wait till season 7. Have you seen that video of Matt reading the script/filming a part of the script (not sure yet) and crying? D: It seems like an awfully sad scene.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Spaghetti7 — Sun, 15 Apr 2012 16:26:48 -0500

It's speculation based off of what we know about the series. Here are the ACTUAL facts that we have where all of this is coming from. Spoilers for series 7 in case that wasn't clear to anyone reading this. 1. Steven Moffat has told everyone that Amy and Rory are going to leave the show in the 5th episode of series 7, halfway through the season right before the Christmas episode, and that their goodbye will be "heartbreaking". The episode will involve the Weeping Angels and Moffat also said "not everyone is going to make out alive--and I mean it this time!" It's the one that's set in New York. 2. The Doctor Who website said that Rory and Amy's divorce papers were in the props room and that Arthur Darvill filmed a scene carrying them on the subway. 3. Someone watching the filming in Cardiff shot a quick clip of the shoot they were doing. It was outside of Amy and Rory's house and Rory stormed out while Amy shouted after him "I hate this!" everything else was too quiet to hear. 4. The Christmas episode will introduce the new companion, played by Jenna-Louise Coleman. Apparently it's going to be something interesting because they keep saying that her meeting with the Doctor is unconventional--even for Doctor Who. 5. River Song is definitely returning, it's rumoured she'll be making appearances within the first couple episodes. 6. Craig is rumoured to return as well as Jack Harkness and the Master. Even more interestingly, people are saying that Benedict Cumberbatch could be taking over for John Simm. I think that might be wishful thinking though so I'm not counting on it. The last time people asked Cumberbatch if he'd audition for the Doctor he said no because he didn't want his face to get connected to any one tv show so I don't expect that he'd answer a casting call. (But if John Simm comes back that would be awesome!) Oh yeah, and the first episode of the series will have Daleks. I would've been offended if they didn't make an appearance though, so I didn't think it was especially exciting.

Re: Doctor Merlock

badgerpride — Sun, 15 Apr 2012 20:48:16 -0500

Ok. Some of that stuff I already knew (Daleks, Angels, and the Amy/Rory leaving and new companion coming in), but I hadn't heard anything about divorce papers! I don't want their departure to be heartbreaking. I like Rory and Amy. Well, Amy annoys me sometimes, but I want Rory to be happy!

Re: Doctor Merlock

badgerpride — Wed, 18 Apr 2012 20:11:32 -0500

I didn't say she was annoying. It's just that sometimes she does things that annoy me. I love Amy! She's my older, Scottish alter ego!

Re: Doctor Merlock

Spaghetti7 — Mon, 16 Apr 2012 19:34:26 -0500

[quote=Lauriloth] DIVORCE? WHAT. WHAT. WHAT. WHAT. WHAT?? The idea breaks my heart into little, bite sized pieces. Funnily enough though, what bothers me the most is that it just doesn't fit. Doctor Who is a not a soap opera. The biggest conflicts are missing bees and statues that throw people in other times, not divorces. That's why we love DW, for it's ridiculous stories and unrealism. We don't want normal life dramas in it. Like Spags said, companions supposed to leave through parallel worlds or invaded by aliens or something. Divorce? Seriously? No, this can't happen. Personally, I think if they start throwing in things like this, the show will go down hill fast. We're not watching a soap opera! It would just be awful all around.[/quote] YES! There are a lot of things Moffat has done with the show where I freaked out when they were announced and then realized that it was all working out as soon as I saw it on screen (River Song being the closest thing to an exception) so I'm trying to contain my dread. Right now I'm just dying to know which episodes Moffat is writing because I can't see him letting something stupid slip into the plot but then again... divorce papers? Really? I'd feel better if it was his idea but I'd also lose some respect for him. [quote=Lauriloth] Slightly smarter? o.o What. You're the smart one, girl! I never have any opinions of my own or any idea what's going on with these shows. You're always coming up with brilliant thoughts on it all. I do love how we pretty much always have the same opinion and can fangirl and discuss without any disagreements. ^__^ [/quote] Oh yes, definitely the smarter one. You've got your gifs down (I still take half an hour to figure those out and then freak out and think they're not working at the last minute), not to mention most of my information comes from me stalking doctor who websites for updates. If you had less of a social life and/or cared less about things like AP exams that are right around the corner, we'd definitely be on even ground as far as who hears what first :) Oh yeah, and my theories are usually wrong. I'm gonna have fun quoting these old posts when the series actually starts :P But if you'd like to think that I'm the smart one, sure! (After all, there are plenty of worse things I could be.) [quote=Lauriloth] [quote=Spaghetti7]Why does River always travel back in time to see the Doctor when her parents are young? The answer that just popped into my head is "because she CAN'T see them in the correct time line" which makes me really nervous for the Ponds and their ending. I always thought it was weird how she seems to have such a close connection with them, it'd be like me travelling back in time to see my parents in their 20's when I'm in my 40's. But if her parents are divorced or dead or whatever it is that happens to them in the future, then it makes a lot more sense. *headdesk* Just when I thought I'd gotten over all of my worries about series 7.[/quote] See? This is why you're the smart one, because you're always coming up with brilliant thoughts like this. You might be very right, which scares me. Why would River only go to see her parents when they're young if nothing else but because she can't when they're older? Meh! D': I don't like this thought at all![/quote] Okay, this is the exception. I'd also like to add to this awesome/awful theory by saying that I think Amy is the one who gets killed for the following reasons: -it's always the companions that are closest to the Doctor and the most infatuated with him that have awful endings -if Rory got killed, Amy would keep traveling with the Doctor, plot-wise it doesn't work -When River first meets Amy, she reacts the same way she does when she first meets Donna. When she meets Rory it's sorta "meh, I knew I'd see you eventually." -River generally has a closer relationship with Amy than with Rory. Possibly a mother-daughter thing, possibly because she knows her time with Amy is limited and she feels awkward talking to a younger version of the guy she actually knows and thinks of as her father. (Not all of those were me, I had a brainstorming session in English class with a friend when we were supposedly discussing essay topics for Beowulf.) [quote=Lauriloth] If I could travel with the Doctor, I would until I absolutely couldn't anymore. I would have no discipline at all. I'd have Rose's mentality and probably get myself killed for it.[/quote] Yep, pretty much. It makes me wonder why he always picks girls. Maybe he likes the attention, but really? Suck it up and find another Rory because at least Rory won't go through 5 psychiatrists trying to convince everyone that the TARDIS is real. He'll just lock it away in a box inside his head, sort of like those 2,000 years he spent waiting for Amy. (*sigh* poor Rory) [quote=Lauriloth]Although, the rainbow Daleks are so ridiculously lame I'm not sure how happy I can really be.[/quote] Oh Lauri! You have no idea how much that made me smile! I'm not trying to be mean but... were pepper shakers holding egg beaters ever the height of horror movies? :P I thought the fact that they pulled off multicoloured Daleks should've won a prize for most non-threatening monster that is actually scary. It was great! [quote=Lauriloth] [quote=Lady_Warrior]Question! Has there ever been a non-human Companion? [/quote] Not to my knowledge. I've always found it odd that all his companions happen to be humans from our times. I mean, he travels everywhere. Wouldn't he occasionally get an alien or even someone from some different time? It's kinda silly really. I guess they just want the audience to relate to the companions. Still though, they could at least be from some other time. I think that would be cool! [/quote] He has traveled with aliens (and tin dogs) but I don't think there's ever been an episode without at least one human companion. There have however, been multiple people from different eras. I think Jamie is the companion who stayed on the show the longest (with the 2nd Doctor) and he was from Scotland in the 1500s. Victoria also traveled with Jamie and the Doctor for a while and she was from England in the 1800s. The reasoning behind all the 1900s/2000s human companions actually is so that the audience can relate to someone, but I think that it's possible to argue that the Doctor chooses people who are technologically capable enough to appreciate some of what he does in the TARDIS but still naive enough that all the worlds he takes them too still have a huge "wow" factor. Within the Doctor Who universe, I think our time is sort of on the brink of new technology and inter-space travel so it's perfect for him to take companions from. The reason he prefers humans is obviously because they look like Time Lords. It's sort of like being the last human being and so all your friends are these neanderthals who can't touch your IQ but at least look like humans enough that you can sometimes fool yourself into thinking that you aren't alone. As for why he picked humans before the Time Lords were all killed, I think it's because he was always an outcast from their society and no one would've wanted to travel with him. (Like the TARDIS said, only he was mad enough to hop in a time machine and never go back to Gallifrey.)

Re: Doctor Merlock

Spaghetti7 — Mon, 16 Apr 2012 19:49:59 -0500

(I'm replying to this separately so that it doesn't get lost in a giant monster of a post where you may or may not find it. We get a little carried away sometimes...) Anyways, it's great to have someone else around here! This thread sort of morphs between Merlin, Sherlock and Doctor Who depending on what we're currently watching/which series we're waiting for but if there are things you want to add in about certain episodes, I can promise you that most of us remember everything that's happened in these three shows so it's not like we won't reply and/or fangirl with you just because something is slightly off topic. In fact, we probably won't even notice :) I agree with everything you said about Sherlock. I think the number one thing I love about it, is that you love it MORE after you've read the books, not less and putting it in a modern setting ADDS to the story instead of taking away from it. I can't name any other book to screen adaptation off the top of my head that does either of those things, never mind both. The brilliant acting, witty dialogue and stellar casting is just the icing on the cake :) And on the topic of Sherlock, Andrew Scott has confirmed that he isn't coming back which means that Moriarty is as good as confirmed dead (as everyone suspected). Also, series 3 is estimated to air summer 2013 so a little more than a year away from now, which isn't too bad since I was dreading an "early 2014" announcement. Moffat also said this which I thought was interesting: "I imagine it’d be nice to stop it for a while and come back and see what they’re like in their 40s or 50s. Because normally these two characters are portrayed in their 50s. So we’re actually at the beginning. It might be interesting in a couple of decades when they come back and [we] see what they’re like." I think it'd be really cool if Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman were willing to reprise their roles a couple decades down the road. If it happens, I'll probably squeal like a fangirl when I find out and then have to remind myself that I'm in my 30's.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lady_Warrior — Wed, 18 Apr 2012 00:54:42 -0500

I don't know why I was so surprised to hear Andrew Scott isn't coming back. -.- Like seriously, my reaction was to go NOOO WHAAAAT and then I realized of course, he's (as good as?) dead. Idk, I probably assumed he would pull something off, haha. Ha. *sobs* Moriarty was brilliant.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Spaghetti7 — Sun, 22 Apr 2012 18:31:38 -0500

Just wait until you get to the 10th Doctor ;) But yes, the first series is great. I think it's a perfect bridge between the old series and the new series. While I like a lot of the changes they've made to the show and I like that Doctor Who is something that has the flexibility to change without alienating its audience, I think that the first series was a necessary transition period where they were able to test out ideas, see what worked and what didn't while still keeping a lot of the style from the original series. Plus the 9th Doctor is hilarious :)

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lady_Warrior — Mon, 23 Apr 2012 01:04:50 -0500

Yeah, you're right, his connection with the TARDIS is something special, and I'm so glad they personified her, even if it was for just that episode. Also, Rose is brilliant. Christopher Eccleston is brilliant. Season 1 was brilliant. This whole show is brilliant. BBC is brilliant. Bless the UK. I'm sorry. GAH. *clutches head* Ugh. This series will be the death of me. I wish, though, in relation to the Companions and all - I wish the newer regenerated Doctor would sometimes refer to the older Companions, talk about them as if HE knew them, not his past regeneration. Because we know that he has all the memories, he DID know them. But the way they gloss over that is just...oh, yeah, okay, new body, new friends. Maybe just a look or a sentence to let us see that he still remembers and still cares. I want Christopher Eccleston back. Why the heck did he leave after one season. Blah.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lady_Warrior — Tue, 24 Apr 2012 00:10:29 -0500

That last bit just about broke my heart. That's horrible. It's really saddening for such a big franchise to have such rumours associated with it. It makes the fans - or this fan, at least - really sad! D: I loved Christopher Eccleston. He really did do justice to the role, though 13 episodes was hardly enough time. David Tennant is brill too, I love him. Oh gosh, Cassandra as the Doctor... xD But you're right, I see what you mean when you say archive rather than memories...but it would be nice. Like David Tennant was like, hey Mickey, hey Jacky! Something like that. But I suppose I'll see better once I finish all the seasons. I don't want the episodes to ever end. D: So good. So, so good.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lady_Warrior — Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:08:22 -0500

David Tennant is brilliant. And yes, I shall watch Hamlet, that sounds lovely! Especially with him in it. I still can't get my mind around the fact that HE played Barty Crouch Jnr! D: I still can't. It's so weird. Also, YES I WISH THEY COULD SHARE AWARDS. Actually, I hope Andrew Scott wins, and then Martin wins an Oscar for The Hobbit. That way EVERYONE WINS! :D Andrew Scott deserves an award. His Moriarty was mad. Seriously insane. And I loved it. As for the plane tickets...no stalking planned yet, no. xD So yay! /hasn'tgotmuchtosaytoday

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lady_Warrior — Sat, 28 Apr 2012 22:44:40 -0500

It's a British award...very prestigious. I think. I mean, that's all I know, too. British Academy Film and Theatre Award (probably wrong, I just wrote that out from the top of my head). But it's awesome, and Martin's already won one, and yeah. __ ALSO THE DOCTOR WHO FEELS ARE OVERWHELMING OMG. I just finished Fear Her, and I fear I can't take much more. -.- Off to bed now, new day, new heart strengthened for more feels. D:

Re: Doctor Merlock

Spaghetti7 — Sun, 29 Apr 2012 00:36:58 -0500

The the following is not really related to Doctor Merlock. It's just the British equivalent of an Oscar. But the fact that it's British automatically makes it worth more :P There's something about Britain. It's like the popular kid of the western world that everyone wants to be like. (Which I guess would make the USA the average, mainstream people who make up most of the western world while Canada is the awkward little sibling that wants to be more like it's older, cooler brother but really has more in common with the other normal, average kids. Australia and New Zealand can be the cousins from out of town who you don't really know that well. They're the ones who you see once a year at family gatherings but for the most part you live separate lives.) Speaking of plane tickets... I'm planning on going to school in the UK next year and just bought my plane tickets :P I'll have a whole week before term starts to run around London and act like a dumb tourist with a fake British accent while looking for my favourite celebrities and checking the costs for a bus to Cardiff so I can try to walk around all the empty Doctor Who sets :D I'll do my best to come home with a REAL British accent and an extra suitcase filled with BBC goodness. The whole point being not to rub it in your face or anything but to say that when it comes to fangirling and celebrity stalking, I think I just moved into 1st place. (If I wasn't already there...) The following IS related to Doctor Who, because I felt bad about wasting your time with the above. Feel free to skip to this stuff: Spoilers for series 7! I just found out that Alex Kingston (River Song) is coming back for 5 episodes of the 7th series. This is the same number of episodes as Amy and Rory will be in which makes me nervous that she's going to leave with them. That doesn't really make sense in my mind, since it seems like that should leave her with some unaccounted for time, but almost all the details they've given about the 7th series have been regarding things before the Christmas episode. I'm not even sure if they've nailed down all the details for the second half of the series, but if they've confirmed her for 5 episodes... I don't know, it just seems like a strong indication that she's leaving the show which would make me very sad indeed. Since that's a sad point to consider (unless you're Lauri :P) I'll leave you with the following picture which I found rather amusing:

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lady_Warrior — Sun, 29 Apr 2012 12:06:54 -0500

I love that picture. And I'm jealous that you get to go to the UK (the most I've ever done is have a stop-over at Heathrow. >_<) But most of all...I'm sad that River Song might leave with her parents. I wouldn't like that, not one bit, that would be horrible. I thought it would've been nice to have some constancy, you know? Anyway. David Tennant needs to carry the Olympic torch. Does the UK not realize this?

Re: Doctor Merlock

badgerpride — Tue, 01 May 2012 18:30:32 -0500

I'm extremely jealous. I really hope that when I'm in college I'll be able to study abroad for a year in the UK (probably either Scotland or England). I actually have a shoe box under my bed where I'm saving money for said study abroad year. xD Since I've started saving early, I hope that when the time comes I'll be able to afford it.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lady_Warrior — Sun, 06 May 2012 14:26:37 -0500

I'm ashamed (or proud?) to say that it did, in fact, make me smile. Oh, James McAvoy, you rogue. I don't have much to contribute right now, but rest assured I am reading all the posts and sympathizing with Spags and waiting for her reply and then I shall hopefully add on to the discussion.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lady_Warrior — Tue, 08 May 2012 17:39:03 -0500

Rose's Doctor? *freezes up and skips the rest of the posts* This only stands out to me because I think I saw something on tumblr too and it's...yeah. Anyway, JAMES MCAVOY AS DOCTOR would be so awesome. I don't know whether I'd be able to handle it. Also, re: Olympic Torch: YES. That's what I'm hoping, that Doctor Who is such a big part of their culture, they can't NOT do that. It would be so great. And think about it - such a boost for the UK/the show. *sighs* I would just...pass out with happiness if they did that.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lady_Warrior — Wed, 09 May 2012 20:13:02 -0500

Hahaha, no worries, no worries. I should get on with watching Doctor Who (seeing as I have nothing much to do all day, either), but I just...can't...get through the Shakespeare episode. I don't know why. I just can't. Anyway. Ugh, yes, this is so annoying. Like...why. Why not. He's so awesome. Maybe it'll be a surprise? I hope so. D: HE SHOULD'VE BEEN FIRST ON THE LIST. >:/

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lady_Warrior — Fri, 11 May 2012 15:00:33 -0500

Ah, so it's just not me? I mean, I really liked the setup they had, the whole Martha's family late for party blah blah. Martha in herself seems to be a good enough character. But there's no...spark, like. I still haven't finished the Shakespeare episode, hahhhhhhh. Okay, plodding through. *gulps*

Re: Doctor Merlock

Spaghetti7 — Mon, 14 May 2012 10:06:04 -0500

[quote=Lauriloth] The problem with TV shows opposed to, say, books, is that the writers seem to think they don't have to explain things. They just want to feed to the audience with whatever action and drama pops in their head and not bother with the little details or even deep explanations. It often gets on my nerves. As a writer myself, I spend vast amounts of time trying to seal all those plot holes and any questions that need answering, down to minute ones. That's a very important part of writing. And yet TV show writers seem to dismiss that. It gets really annoying.[/quote] THIS. Obviously most books do have varying degrees of plot holes no matter how hard the author tries to fill them in, if you're willing to look far enough, but tv shows leave GAPING CRATERS. I know that it's a completely different form of media and because you take it in over a much shorter period of time (45 minutes compared to 3-4 hours over the course of 1-2 weeks) people have much less time to sit back and examine the show because oh my gosh explosions and flashing lights and stuff is always happening in front of my face! But just because you can get away with it does NOT mean it's acceptable. Especially when it comes to unique and original shows with a fan base that has been committed for multiple decades. For the most part, I think Doctor Who does follow that standard and holds up to scrutiny, but there's still the odd thing that makes me wonder if they were sloppy or if I'm just going crazy. [quote=Lauriloth] Yay! I didn't know if you liked him or not, but he's JAMES MCAVOY! Who doesn't love him? Plus, you're like my brain twin, so obviously if I like him you would, too. XD But yes, I adore that GIF. Ah, if only he could be the next Doctor. I think my life would be complete.[/quote] Yep, pretty much. Part of me is tempted to start listing random crap I like just to see if you agree but I think it would take all the fun out of finding these weird connections when we don't expect to :) And finally... regarding the whole Martha thing. *deep breath* Look, it's not that I hate her, at least not anymore. I just don't think she was what the Doctor needed at that point. After losing Rose, I think he grabbed the first person that reminded him of her which led to all sorts of problems. First of all, despite similarities, Martha isn't Rose so every time she shows that, instead of embracing her as her own complete character the Doctor (and the audience) just look at her like she's substandard. Second of all, she's smitten with the Doctor which really is a problem he's not at all qualified to deal with. *sigh* I guess I don't hate her and I understand why it happened, but what the Doctor really needed was a Donna Nobel. In fact he still does. I'm crossing my fingers hoping that we get someone like that in the second half of series 7 :)

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lady_Warrior — Mon, 14 May 2012 17:19:35 -0500

I AGREE COMPLETELY. It will be a great change. River Song is enough to deal with on her own. xD That said... I finally finished that Shakespeare episode yesterday (took me long enough). AND THE HARRY POTTER REFERENCE AT THE END JUST TOTALLY MADE IT WORTH IT.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Spaghetti7 — Mon, 14 May 2012 19:18:21 -0500

I think everyone's read/watched it, but just in case... spoilers for the 7th Harry Potter book :) I don't normally do this but... I TOLD YOU SO! I also laughed when the Doctor admitted to crying after reading the 7th book, it's like they KNEW that Fred was gonna die when they wrote the script! (I mean come on, who else would his favourite character be? Funny, gets into trouble, stands up for other people, ginger, it fits!)

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lady_Warrior — Tue, 15 May 2012 13:17:08 -0500

YES YES YES YES YES. Exactly. That was hilarious. I just love all those references. xD

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lady_Warrior — Tue, 15 May 2012 13:17:24 -0500

THAT IS BRILLIANT. HAHAHA.

Re: Doctor Merlock

badgerpride — Wed, 16 May 2012 23:33:41 -0500

It was kind of weird too. In the early part of my life I decided to go to an all ginger school in Idaho, which is where I met Rory. And then Rory and I died of some rare disease that only redheads can get.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lady_Warrior — Mon, 21 May 2012 12:16:04 -0500

O_____O But redheads are cool...

Re: Doctor Merlock

badgerpride — Fri, 18 May 2012 15:56:23 -0500

Whoever made that picture is cruel. So many people probably had false hopes.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Spaghetti7 — Sat, 19 May 2012 11:41:44 -0500

There are bad people in this world. The sort who enjoy breaking crayons and rejecting high-fives and popping small children's balloon animals. I think you just found one of them. *sigh* WHY CAN'T IT BE TRUE?!

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lady_Warrior — Mon, 21 May 2012 12:17:32 -0500

Oh, you saw it for the first time now? Well. *grins evilly* THERE ARE SO MANY THEORIES OUT THERE you don't even know. BUT. I would love to hear yours. :D I still hope Moffat's reveal is something completely new, because I love to be surprised.

Re: Doctor Merlock

Spaghetti7 — Wed, 23 May 2012 00:33:21 -0500

It's confusing because it's not like the Doctor is just traveling through time visiting her at different points, they're BOTH time travelers. We see things from the Doctor's perspective in a linear fashion so let's say they meet 5 times. If the Doctor is 800, 820, 821, 850, and 900 years old respectively for each of those times, we'll see the meetings in that order, as he ages. BUT, because River is a time traveler, she can bounce in and out of the Doctor's time line as she pleases. This means she could be 45, 40, 24, 42, and 35 in that order from the Doctor's perspective, while in her memory of events, she's 24, 35, 40, 42, and 45 while the Doctor is 900, 820, 850, and 821 years old. It only works because these meetings can happen in any point in time. Neither of them lives linearly, therefore there isn't a life within the standard framework of time for them to use as a reference point. They could meet in 2000, 1920, 2050, 5200, and 1970. The dates wouldn't matter and they'd both travel to those points in time in a completely different order. It's difficult to explain without some sort of a diagram... Aha! Feel free to ignore the above and simply follow this. I tried posting the image directly here, but it's a bit too big for the forums :P

Re: Doctor Merlock

Lady_Warrior — Wed, 23 May 2012 02:29:57 -0500

Whoever drew that is a genius. Seriously. I forgot to take into account the fact that River was a time traveller too, and so she was never consistent either. -.- That diagram helps a lot, though. ANOTHER QUESTION. In the beginning of the series, River (or someone else, but about her) says something like, "Can you imagine what it was for a young girl like me, barely 20, to meet someone like the Doctor? Do you realize what it does to a girl?" and...we see the Doctor's first meeting with River Song/Melody Pond, right? She's definitely not 20... :/ Am I remembering something wrong? Jeez, I already need to rewatch the series again...

Re: Doctor Merlock

Spaghetti7 — Wed, 23 May 2012 09:18:54 -0500

Haha, it's okay. The problem is you're forgetting that when River Song regenerates, she looks a lot older than she is played by Alex Kingston. She has 3 different bodies in total: Melody, Mels, and River. When she goes from Melody to Mels, we're not sure what exactly age she becomes but she does say that she becomes a child so really, the most she could gain/lose as far as looking the wrong age is maybe 5 years. Then her Mels regeneration is supposedly the same physical age as Amy (same year at school) so when she regenerates into River Song, she has to be in her late 20's at the oldest.