Any more this is an obligatory thread. Discuss what you love and what Riordan did to drive you crazy in the books. Who are your favorite characters? Have a favorite moment? You can share your feelings about the movies here good or bad, but please keep it respectful. Everyone has a different opinion and their opinions are no less valid then the next.
There will likely be discussion of Son of Neptune here, so if you haven't read it yet, there may be spoilers here. People who want to discuss SoN, please do something to warn for spoilers so those who don't want to be spoiled can scroll on by - it's common courtesy.
I personally was a big fan of the last three books in the (main?) series. I loved the Hunters, the Labyrinth, and the big battle.
For the Heroes of Olympus, The Lost Hero was pretty good. I liked how we could see so much characterization in each chapter from the different viewpoints.
As for The Kane Chronicles...They're pretty okay. I like the second one more than the first, which I felt got a little muddled near the end.
Vague Spoilers For The Son of Neptune coming up...I am having an incredibly hard time even remembering what happened. I felt it was a rehash of The Lost Hero (Well, that was sort of the point.). I really only liked it because Percy came back, the other two heroes, I didn't really care for them at all.
Loved these books, just Percy is a little too goofy for my taste. Anyway, those books sparked ideas for my own trilogy...... which totally upsets me because whenever I try to read Son of Neptune I feel crazy! Number one reason is that since I started writing this trilogy I gave the Greek gods such a different personality I was like "what? Hades doesn't act like that!........ Number two reason is that I take Latin for foreign language and I understand the majority of latin words they say...
I love Riordan's books! I've read Percy Jackson and The Lost Hero and can't wait to read Son of Neptune! I also enjoyed the first Kane Chronicles book, but disliked the second.
As for the PJ movie... don't even get me started... >.
The new nano boards apparently don't like me. That last post had actual words in it, but it cut out everything except my banging on the keyboard. *stares down awkward moment*
Anyway, I didn't realize it until I was reading The Last Olympian, but I am completely in love with Percy Jackson (the character). I don't generally fall for the main character of a series (usually because most of the books I read are narrated by girls), but...I don't know. I just really love Percy.
I'll admit, I'd never heard of the books until I saw the movie. And so, as usually happens when I see the movie first, I actually liked the movie better than the book. But now I like the books more. And although they could have done a way better job with the movie, it was still pretty great. It was one of those rare movies I knew I [em]had[/em] to see again right after I saw it. Still, I hope the next movie (if they ever get around to making it) stays truer to the books.
I was a little apprehensive about reading Heroes of Olympus because I didn't think any new characters could stand up to the old ones, but I absolutely love Jason, Piper and Leo. I haven't read The Son of Neptune yet because unforunately I'm broke so I have to wait for my library to get it.
Percy Jackson is to me what Harry Potter is to thousands of people across the English speaking world. It got me into reading and writing. I'm currently re-reading it before November for inspiration and the like. I have The Titan's Curse out in front of me right now and my brain is begging me to pick it up again. I have not read the Last Olympian or any of the other series that take place in Riordan's universe, but I checked them out from the library and am going to change that.
I've never seen the movie, mostly because I didn't agree with the aging of Percy and the fact that Annabeth was brunette. One of her main attributes that comes up quite frequently is her hair color! Alright, enough ranting.
See, I'm one of those people that create settings and will continue to write in that setting even if the story has nothing to do with the original character. I hope Riordan continues to set novels and stories in the Percy Jackson universe. I want to see Percy grow up and do even more epic things. I wouldn't mind if he wasn't in a story either. It's Riordan's prerogative to write whatever he wants. I just hope he keeps writing about myths, monsters, and half-bloods.
Book five disappointed me. It was okay, but I feel as if a lot of its potential was untapped.
I disagree about him ending it with book five. I think the "Heroes of Olympus" series is an even better series than the Percy series.
I really liked "The Red Pyramid" (haven't gotten to "Throne of Fire" yet), probably more than I liked the Percy books in fact, except for that stupid gimmick where they pause in the middle to make it clear to everybody that they're talking into a recorder.
That's not funny, it's stupid, gimmicky, and annoying. Not really sure what's he's trying to accomplish there. It's just a novel, it's obvious that nobody remembers anything in the painstaking detail that the characters profess to in the"Kane Chronicles". Just write it like a freaking story and stop with this "Hey! look at me! Remember, I'm actually talking into a recorder right now!" nonsense.
I actually enjoy Heroes of Olympus more than PJatO, if only because I like that we're seeing the story through more than one character's eyes. I also love that we have Roman heroes as well as Greek heroes in this series. Plus I love that (if Son of Neptune is any indication of the other two books) he's trolling us like no one's business.
My only complaint with The Lost HeroSon of Neptune, or his editor had words with him.
Edit: My only complaint with The Lost Hero is that when Riordan swiched POV during a battle scene, he didn't add anything to the scene. IT WAS THE SAME INSIPID THING REHASHED with nothing new added to the scene. Jason could be talking about being a badass around the Cyclopes and then the POV would switch to Piper and it would be, wow, Jason is being a badass. Son of Neptune didn't seem to suffer from this when POVs switched. The POV switches actually advanced the story this time. Riordan is either getting better or his editor had words with him. :P
(how did the internet swallow that much text? :( )
I love these books. They were my life for about a year. I'm fond of the last few books of the first series, not the second series so much. They're great, though. What I don't like about his later books is that be becomes a lying little troll with his cliffhangers. Honestly. He could have written four more damn pages and I would have been happy. *curls up into a ball and sobs*
I didn't know so many people got angry at cliffhangers. I didn't know that was actually possible. I mean, the man is writing a series. He has to keep us hooked for the next adventure our valiant heroes will have. We are devoted fans nonetheless and would pick up most books that have to do with Mr. Jackson. I like the cliffhangers though. It gives me something to look forward to.
I both love and hate cliffhangers. They make me want to read the next book, yeah, but they make me want to read the next book immediately, and not want to wait another year.
I finished Son of Neptune a couple of days ago and I think it's his best one yet.
I read Percy Jackson and the Olympians all earlier this year (after people were telling me it would be a good series to read) and I loved them. I also read the first two books in the Kane Chronicles and I like them, but I don't love them. And then there was The Heroes of Olympus. I thought it couldn't get better after PJO but I was wrong - HoO is epic and I love the series so much more than PJO. I cannot wait for The Mark of Athena to come out! I don't think the cliffhanger was that bad, I think the one in MoA will be much worse xD (but I have to admit that I *needed* to read more when I finished SoN - and I was out of unread RR books)
The movie was no way near the awesomeness of PJO - although I liked Grover. Wasn't a fan at all of Annabeth's casting. The focus in the movie was all wrong. Ugh.
What do you guys think of the fact that Rick finally confirmed there will be a series based on Norse mythology? It won't come out until like 2015, but I'm very excited!
Kind excited! I'm not a big fan of Norse Mythology, but I know Riordan can work his magic and make me love the stories. I just want an epic crossover to happen.
The day he writes those books, I am buying them. There's no way those books would not be entertaining, not to mention the potential for trolling multiple fanbases at once.
I just got Son of Neptune and the Roman camp makes Camp Half-Blood look so unorganized! But I still love Camp Half-Blood, they're so much cooler. Piper, Leo, and Jason were really good but I'll have to see about Hazel and Frank. I was glad that he finally gave some depth to Aphrodite's kids, and Jason was just so awesome, and Leo was a pretty cool guy. I'll probably come back later once I'm done with SoN. :)
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I'm currently reading Heroes of Olympus, but WOW. It blew away all my complaints about Book 5 (tacky, bad writing, etc..). It's really awesome, and I can't wait to get Son Of Neptune - soon, and as soon as I finish this one! ^__^
Norse Mythology? O.O That would be cool. Especially if he DID weave everything together!
Re: The Last Olympian, my problem with it was not bad writing; I thought it was written, technically-wise quite well. But it was still definitely on a level below the other Percy books.
I think my biggest problem was the unfulfilled foreshadowing. I'll put it this way:
Conflict from previous books: "Percy, personal loyalty is your FATAL FLAW, and you must conquer it or there will be problems." Resolution: Personal loyalty causes him no problems and he defeats Kronos with basically no trouble at all being caused by his personal loyalty to others.
Conflict from earlier in the book: Becoming invincible is NOT GREAT. You will have the CURSE OF ACHILLES which is, like, really bad! Resolution: The "Curse of Achilles" is nonexistent; in fact, becoming invulnerable gives Percy no ill effects whatsoever and is the major factor that contributed to Percy's victory in the war. There is absolutely nothing bad about being invincible.
That's all I could think of off the top of my head (I had a longer list earlier, but I can't think of them all right now), but still, those are two HUGE pieces of foreshadowing that amounted to...nothing at all. I felt cheated, like victory was too easy.
I LOVED "The Lost Hero", easily my favorite Riordan book (although I've only read part of "Son of Neptune"). My second favorite Riordan book is probably "The Battle of the Labyrinth", which was awesome and part of the reason "The Last Olympian" disappointed me so much; my expectations were high.
Oh, and I hated that Riordan went for what I call the "Disney Hercules" ending (having Percy get offered godhood and immortality but turn it down). I mean, not only did an already made movie do this, it was a FAMOUS, WELL KNOWN movie about GREEK MYTHOLOGY!
Of course Disney was going to go that route, they had to have the happy-ever-after ending with the couple in love. Also, Hercules was never a god, he was a hero, so there wasn't any reason he should have been allowed on Olympus anyway. The Disney movie had hardly anything to do with the actual story, anyway. In the actual story Hera was so angry at Zeus that she drove Hercules insane and made him *kill* his wife and children. He had to do the 12 labors to atone for that. :/
Riordan does a great job including most of the actual myths, including the important fact that the Greek gods are dicks and make terrible parents.
Percy's choice made sense. It was more important to him that the gods be involved in their kids' lives. Also, who wants to be 16 forever? Percy spent the series learning that the gods aren't really great people, why would he want to spend the rest of eternity with them?
1. Herakles DID become a god in the actual myth. He was offered the option at the end of his life, and didn't turn it down. I know the real story of Herakles.
(Although I recall of a myth where they ("they" meaning "whatever demigod was in this myth because I can't think of the name") find the spirit of the mortal Herakles in the underworld. I think the explanation given was that as Herakles burned to death the mortal part of him was burned away and the godly part remained, or something like that. Anyway, he was the god of manhood.)
2. Percy's choice was in character, I hated that he was offered that choice in the first place. How unnecessary and cliche.
BTW, I don't think the point made was that Percy didn't want to spend eternity with the gods because they're not great people. I don't think the gods are particularly bad people, or at least not all of them-they have good and bad qualities, and some are worse than others. Basically, what I'm saying is that the gods are very human.
Percy decided not to become a god because he realized that immortality was far less important than love and family.
Re-reading this, I just want to point out that if the tone seems harsh that was absolutely 100% unintentional. It's just supposed to be a quick reply, and nothing more is implied in it than that. It's only supposed to continue the discussion.
(I just wanted to make sure I said this because when I re-read the post it came out as harsh and it was not meant to AT ALL. Just to clarify.)
I have gotten through 96 pages of Son of Neptune sitting for an hour in Barnes and Noble. Didn't have the money with me at the time to buy a copy (but I WILL).
My thoughts so far: Very interesting. So far (although I haven't gotten to "war games" yet, which I'm very curious about) I think the Roman Camp is really fascinating (interesting how there seems to be more people at the Roman Camp than the Greek Camp), but I would prefer to live at Camp Half Blood. That said, because I don't know as much about it the Roman Camp is far more interesting to read ABOUT.
I'm also really curious to see what's up with the prophecy. like why the Romans have had it for thousands of years whereas the Greeks just learned about it. (It seems as if the Greek method is better; at least when they receive prophecies they have an approximate timetable for when it'll come true, and by "approximate" I mean "really soon").
Thoughts on the book itself: So far it seems much darker than any other Riordan book I've read (which is odd since somebody DIED pretty early on in The Last Olympian). I think it's because there isn't as much humor. There are humorous bits and lines (Riordan is really funny), but not as much as in any of his previous books (including "The Lost Hero", the Percy Jackson Series, and the Kane Chronicles).
This darker and serious tone is not necessarily a bad thing, but it does distinguish this book from the other Riordan books I've read; it ratchets up the suspense a bit, and that's saying something because Riordan is a MASTER at suspense; he does a great job with making the reader really curious to turn the page.
Verdict so far: I REALLY want to buy a copy because I REALLY want to know what happens next. The whole thing is just very...intriguing.
I think it'll get better for you when you read the rest of the book - I found myself laughing out loud and snorting at certain quite a few bits and pieces in the story (of which I will tell you nothing because I don't want to spoil it). I think Rick is building up to a bigger and more intense climax than he did when he wrote PJO, which is probably the reason for the darker feel in the book.
And yes, I am also quite intruiged by the whole "We have known the Prophecy for thousands of years" idea. I wonder if Rick will answer that for us in the next couple of books..
My current addiction, I think, this series. I love the way Rick keeps leaving us with the cliff-hangers. It's driving me crazy, but I love it. And he sure can write a nice, thick, interesting book, with good pacing and lots of character-viewpoint-switching. That's his strength, I think. I liked the original series, but this one is even better--he just keeps improving!
Also, I'm thrilled that Percy is back. He's matured into being just like the old Percy we know and love--only MORE so. :D Main characters aren't always the characters I like best, but Percy definitely is.
I can't wait for more about Leo Valdez, either. He is awesome.
I really love these books. I like the Heroes of Olympus and Kane Chronicles a bit better than Percy Jackson, but they're all great reads. My favorite parts of the books are how he manages to incorporate really obscure mythology WHILE masterfully side-stepping all the less-than-family-friendly bits. I think my favorite example of this was in the Kane Chronicles.
"Hey, in some myths it says Isis and Osiris were brother and sister, and in some it says they were husband and wife? What gives?" "Well, you see, the myths repeat throughout history, so sometimes they were siblings, and other times they were married!"
Way to neatly sidestep the problem of godly incest, Rick Riordan. A+
My other favorite part is how he manages to incorporate all the modern things into the world. I just about died laughing when I heard about the Amazons running Amazon.com! :D
I think my favorite moment of side-stepping is reading about the birth of Aphrodite and how she formed when the "substance" of Ouranos dripped into the ocean.
(Slightly explicit warning)
Actually, the myths were a bit more specific about that. It wasn't just Ouranos's substance. It was, to put it bluntly, his balls. They were cut off by Kronos, fell into the ocean, and turned into Aphrodite. Lovely.
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Any more this is an obligatory thread. Discuss what you love and what Riordan did to drive you crazy in the books. Who are your favorite characters? Have a favorite moment? You can share your feelings about the movies here good or bad, but please keep it respectful. Everyone has a different opinion and their opinions are no less valid then the next.
There will likely be discussion of Son of Neptune here, so if you haven't read it yet, there may be spoilers here. People who want to discuss SoN, please do something to warn for spoilers so those who don't want to be spoiled can scroll on by - it's common courtesy.
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These books are really something.
I personally was a big fan of the last three books in the (main?) series. I loved the Hunters, the Labyrinth, and the big battle.
For the Heroes of Olympus, The Lost Hero was pretty good. I liked how we could see so much characterization in each chapter from the different viewpoints.
As for The Kane Chronicles...They're pretty okay. I like the second one more than the first, which I felt got a little muddled near the end.
Vague Spoilers For The Son of Neptune coming up...I am having an incredibly hard time even remembering what happened. I felt it was a rehash of The Lost Hero (Well, that was sort of the point.). I really only liked it because Percy came back, the other two heroes, I didn't really care for them at all.
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Loved these books, just Percy is a little too goofy for my taste. Anyway, those books sparked ideas for my own trilogy...... which totally upsets me because whenever I try to read Son of Neptune I feel crazy! Number one reason is that since I started writing this trilogy I gave the Greek gods such a different personality I was like "what? Hades doesn't act like that!........ Number two reason is that I take Latin for foreign language and I understand the majority of latin words they say...
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Love the books, my favourite character being Annabeth (Who is blonde. Just syain'...) - although Luke was pretty amazing too when I think about it.
Loved Son of Neptune, but don't want to spoil anything for anyone...
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I love Riordan's books! I've read Percy Jackson and The Lost Hero and can't wait to read Son of Neptune! I also enjoyed the first Kane Chronicles book, but disliked the second.
As for the PJ movie... don't even get me started... >.
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The new nano boards apparently don't like me. That last post had actual words in it, but it cut out everything except my banging on the keyboard. *stares down awkward moment*
Anyway, I didn't realize it until I was reading The Last Olympian, but I am completely in love with Percy Jackson (the character). I don't generally fall for the main character of a series (usually because most of the books I read are narrated by girls), but...I don't know. I just really love Percy.
I'll admit, I'd never heard of the books until I saw the movie. And so, as usually happens when I see the movie first, I actually liked the movie better than the book. But now I like the books more. And although they could have done a way better job with the movie, it was still pretty great. It was one of those rare movies I knew I [em]had[/em] to see again right after I saw it. Still, I hope the next movie (if they ever get around to making it) stays truer to the books.
I was a little apprehensive about reading Heroes of Olympus because I didn't think any new characters could stand up to the old ones, but I absolutely love Jason, Piper and Leo. I haven't read The Son of Neptune yet because unforunately I'm broke so I have to wait for my library to get it.
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*laughs at awkward moment*
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In a nice way. Because that was epic. :)
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Percy Jackson is to me what Harry Potter is to thousands of people across the English speaking world. It got me into reading and writing. I'm currently re-reading it before November for inspiration and the like. I have The Titan's Curse out in front of me right now and my brain is begging me to pick it up again. I have not read the Last Olympian or any of the other series that take place in Riordan's universe, but I checked them out from the library and am going to change that.
I've never seen the movie, mostly because I didn't agree with the aging of Percy and the fact that Annabeth was brunette. One of her main attributes that comes up quite frequently is her hair color! Alright, enough ranting.
I love this series.
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He should have ended it with Book five.
That is all.
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See, I'm one of those people that create settings and will continue to write in that setting even if the story has nothing to do with the original character. I hope Riordan continues to set novels and stories in the Percy Jackson universe. I want to see Percy grow up and do even more epic things. I wouldn't mind if he wasn't in a story either. It's Riordan's prerogative to write whatever he wants. I just hope he keeps writing about myths, monsters, and half-bloods.
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Book five disappointed me. It was okay, but I feel as if a lot of its potential was untapped.
I disagree about him ending it with book five. I think the "Heroes of Olympus" series is an even better series than the Percy series.
I really liked "The Red Pyramid" (haven't gotten to "Throne of Fire" yet), probably more than I liked the Percy books in fact, except for that stupid gimmick where they pause in the middle to make it clear to everybody that they're talking into a recorder.
That's not funny, it's stupid, gimmicky, and annoying. Not really sure what's he's trying to accomplish there. It's just a novel, it's obvious that nobody remembers anything in the painstaking detail that the characters profess to in the"Kane Chronicles". Just write it like a freaking story and stop with this "Hey! look at me! Remember, I'm actually talking into a recorder right now!" nonsense.
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I actually enjoy Heroes of Olympus more than PJatO, if only because I like that we're seeing the story through more than one character's eyes. I also love that we have Roman heroes as well as Greek heroes in this series. Plus I love that (if Son of Neptune is any indication of the other two books) he's trolling us like no one's business.
My only complaint with The Lost HeroSon of Neptune, or his editor had words with him.
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Edit: My only complaint with The Lost Hero is that when Riordan swiched POV during a battle scene, he didn't add anything to the scene. IT WAS THE SAME INSIPID THING REHASHED with nothing new added to the scene. Jason could be talking about being a badass around the Cyclopes and then the POV would switch to Piper and it would be, wow, Jason is being a badass. Son of Neptune didn't seem to suffer from this when POVs switched. The POV switches actually advanced the story this time. Riordan is either getting better or his editor had words with him. :P
(how did the internet swallow that much text? :( )
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I love these books. They were my life for about a year. I'm fond of the last few books of the first series, not the second series so much. They're great, though. What I don't like about his later books is that be becomes a lying little troll with his cliffhangers. Honestly. He could have written four more damn pages and I would have been happy. *curls up into a ball and sobs*
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I didn't know so many people got angry at cliffhangers. I didn't know that was actually possible. I mean, the man is writing a series. He has to keep us hooked for the next adventure our valiant heroes will have. We are devoted fans nonetheless and would pick up most books that have to do with Mr. Jackson. I like the cliffhangers though. It gives me something to look forward to.
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I both love and hate cliffhangers. They make me want to read the next book, yeah, but they make me want to read the next book immediately, and not want to wait another year.
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I finished Son of Neptune a couple of days ago and I think it's his best one yet.
I read Percy Jackson and the Olympians all earlier this year (after people were telling me it would be a good series to read) and I loved them. I also read the first two books in the Kane Chronicles and I like them, but I don't love them. And then there was The Heroes of Olympus. I thought it couldn't get better after PJO but I was wrong - HoO is epic and I love the series so much more than PJO. I cannot wait for The Mark of Athena to come out! I don't think the cliffhanger was that bad, I think the one in MoA will be much worse xD (but I have to admit that I *needed* to read more when I finished SoN - and I was out of unread RR books)
The movie was no way near the awesomeness of PJO - although I liked Grover. Wasn't a fan at all of Annabeth's casting. The focus in the movie was all wrong. Ugh.
What do you guys think of the fact that Rick finally confirmed there will be a series based on Norse mythology? It won't come out until like 2015, but I'm very excited!
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Kind excited! I'm not a big fan of Norse Mythology, but I know Riordan can work his magic and make me love the stories. I just want an epic crossover to happen.
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That would be so epic! If he wrote all these books based on different mythologies and then wrote a final series weaving them all together!
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The day he writes those books, I am buying them. There's no way those books would not be entertaining, not to mention the potential for trolling multiple fanbases at once.
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There will be so many crossover ships! It'll be tormenting!
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I just got Son of Neptune and the Roman camp makes Camp Half-Blood look so unorganized! But I still love Camp Half-Blood, they're so much cooler. Piper, Leo, and Jason were really good but I'll have to see about Hazel and Frank. I was glad that he finally gave some depth to Aphrodite's kids, and Jason was just so awesome, and Leo was a pretty cool guy. I'll probably come back later once I'm done with SoN. :)
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I'm currently reading Heroes of Olympus, but WOW. It blew away all my complaints about Book 5 (tacky, bad writing, etc..). It's really awesome, and I can't wait to get Son Of Neptune - soon, and as soon as I finish this one! ^__^
Norse Mythology? O.O That would be cool. Especially if he DID weave everything together!
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Re: The Last Olympian, my problem with it was not bad writing; I thought it was written, technically-wise quite well. But it was still definitely on a level below the other Percy books.
I think my biggest problem was the unfulfilled foreshadowing. I'll put it this way:
Conflict from previous books: "Percy, personal loyalty is your FATAL FLAW, and you must conquer it or there will be problems."
Resolution: Personal loyalty causes him no problems and he defeats Kronos with basically no trouble at all being caused by his personal loyalty to others.
Conflict from earlier in the book: Becoming invincible is NOT GREAT. You will have the CURSE OF ACHILLES which is, like, really bad!
Resolution: The "Curse of Achilles" is nonexistent; in fact, becoming invulnerable gives Percy no ill effects whatsoever and is the major factor that contributed to Percy's victory in the war. There is absolutely nothing bad about being invincible.
That's all I could think of off the top of my head (I had a longer list earlier, but I can't think of them all right now), but still, those are two HUGE pieces of foreshadowing that amounted to...nothing at all. I felt cheated, like victory was too easy.
I LOVED "The Lost Hero", easily my favorite Riordan book (although I've only read part of "Son of Neptune"). My second favorite Riordan book is probably "The Battle of the Labyrinth", which was awesome and part of the reason "The Last Olympian" disappointed me so much; my expectations were high.
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Oh, and I hated that Riordan went for what I call the "Disney Hercules" ending (having Percy get offered godhood and immortality but turn it down). I mean, not only did an already made movie do this, it was a FAMOUS, WELL KNOWN movie about GREEK MYTHOLOGY!
I rolled my eyes at that one.
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Of course Disney was going to go that route, they had to have the happy-ever-after ending with the couple in love. Also, Hercules was never a god, he was a hero, so there wasn't any reason he should have been allowed on Olympus anyway. The Disney movie had hardly anything to do with the actual story, anyway. In the actual story Hera was so angry at Zeus that she drove Hercules insane and made him *kill* his wife and children. He had to do the 12 labors to atone for that. :/
Riordan does a great job including most of the actual myths, including the important fact that the Greek gods are dicks and make terrible parents.
Percy's choice made sense. It was more important to him that the gods be involved in their kids' lives. Also, who wants to be 16 forever? Percy spent the series learning that the gods aren't really great people, why would he want to spend the rest of eternity with them?
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1. Herakles DID become a god in the actual myth. He was offered the option at the end of his life, and didn't turn it down. I know the real story of Herakles.
(Although I recall of a myth where they ("they" meaning "whatever demigod was in this myth because I can't think of the name") find the spirit of the mortal Herakles in the underworld. I think the explanation given was that as Herakles burned to death the mortal part of him was burned away and the godly part remained, or something like that. Anyway, he was the god of manhood.)
2. Percy's choice was in character, I hated that he was offered that choice in the first place. How unnecessary and cliche.
BTW, I don't think the point made was that Percy didn't want to spend eternity with the gods because they're not great people. I don't think the gods are particularly bad people, or at least not all of them-they have good and bad qualities, and some are worse than others. Basically, what I'm saying is that the gods are very human.
Percy decided not to become a god because he realized that immortality was far less important than love and family.
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Re-reading this, I just want to point out that if the tone seems harsh that was absolutely 100% unintentional. It's just supposed to be a quick reply, and nothing more is implied in it than that. It's only supposed to continue the discussion.
(I just wanted to make sure I said this because when I re-read the post it came out as harsh and it was not meant to AT ALL. Just to clarify.)
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It did sound a bit harsh, but that's okay. Tone is hard to do on the internet.
Sorry if I went overboard in replying. I tend to ramble on and on. Helpful in writing, not always helpful in discussing.
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Still waiting for a copy of SoN to come at my library... *impatience*
@Lady: I disliked The Last Olympian the first time I read it as well, but after my second reading I liked it better.
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Wow. Son of Neptune = SoN. xD
And I might read it again waaaaaaaaaay in the future. :/
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I have gotten through 96 pages of Son of Neptune sitting for an hour in Barnes and Noble. Didn't have the money with me at the time to buy a copy (but I WILL).
My thoughts so far: Very interesting. So far (although I haven't gotten to "war games" yet, which I'm very curious about) I think the Roman Camp is really fascinating (interesting how there seems to be more people at the Roman Camp than the Greek Camp), but I would prefer to live at Camp Half Blood. That said, because I don't know as much about it the Roman Camp is far more interesting to read ABOUT.
I'm also really curious to see what's up with the prophecy. like why the Romans have had it for thousands of years whereas the Greeks just learned about it. (It seems as if the Greek method is better; at least when they receive prophecies they have an approximate timetable for when it'll come true, and by "approximate" I mean "really soon").
Thoughts on the book itself: So far it seems much darker than any other Riordan book I've read (which is odd since somebody DIED pretty early on in The Last Olympian). I think it's because there isn't as much humor. There are humorous bits and lines (Riordan is really funny), but not as much as in any of his previous books (including "The Lost Hero", the Percy Jackson Series, and the Kane Chronicles).
This darker and serious tone is not necessarily a bad thing, but it does distinguish this book from the other Riordan books I've read; it ratchets up the suspense a bit, and that's saying something because Riordan is a MASTER at suspense; he does a great job with making the reader really curious to turn the page.
Verdict so far: I REALLY want to buy a copy because I REALLY want to know what happens next. The whole thing is just very...intriguing.
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Re: humor:
I think it'll get better for you when you read the rest of the book - I found myself laughing out loud and snorting at certain quite a few bits and pieces in the story (of which I will tell you nothing because I don't want to spoil it). I think Rick is building up to a bigger and more intense climax than he did when he wrote PJO, which is probably the reason for the darker feel in the book.
And yes, I am also quite intruiged by the whole "We have known the Prophecy for thousands of years" idea. I wonder if Rick will answer that for us in the next couple of books..
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WE GOT A COPY OF SON OF NEPTUNE. *spazzes* But two of my sisters are reading it first. D:
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My current addiction, I think, this series. I love the way Rick keeps leaving us with the cliff-hangers. It's driving me crazy, but I love it. And he sure can write a nice, thick, interesting book, with good pacing and lots of character-viewpoint-switching. That's his strength, I think. I liked the original series, but this one is even better--he just keeps improving!
Also, I'm thrilled that Percy is back. He's matured into being just like the old Percy we know and love--only MORE so. :D Main characters aren't always the characters I like best, but Percy definitely is.
I can't wait for more about Leo Valdez, either. He is awesome.
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I'm not sure if you've read Son of Neptune yet - but I think we'll definitely be getting more of Leo :)
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Oh, yeah, I read The Son of Neptune. And I believe that you are right.
*spoiler-free wink* ;)
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I just started reading The Lightning Thief.
I'm excited to get into the series!
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You've only just started? Get ready for awesomeness. :D
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I really love these books. I like the Heroes of Olympus and Kane Chronicles a bit better than Percy Jackson, but they're all great reads. My favorite parts of the books are how he manages to incorporate really obscure mythology WHILE masterfully side-stepping all the less-than-family-friendly bits. I think my favorite example of this was in the Kane Chronicles.
"Hey, in some myths it says Isis and Osiris were brother and sister, and in some it says they were husband and wife? What gives?"
"Well, you see, the myths repeat throughout history, so sometimes they were siblings, and other times they were married!"
Way to neatly sidestep the problem of godly incest, Rick Riordan. A+
My other favorite part is how he manages to incorporate all the modern things into the world. I just about died laughing when I heard about the Amazons running Amazon.com! :D
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I think my favorite moment of side-stepping is reading about the birth of Aphrodite and how she formed when the "substance" of Ouranos dripped into the ocean.
(Slightly explicit warning)
Actually, the myths were a bit more specific about that. It wasn't just Ouranos's substance. It was, to put it bluntly, his balls. They were cut off by Kronos, fell into the ocean, and turned into Aphrodite. Lovely.
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Haha, you're right. I remember that. It did always think it was pretty appropriate for Aphrodite. ;)