Ok, so these humans have been captured and they're like the westboro baptist people but they're protesting vampires and not gays. They know that shouting insults won't get them killed (the vampires are very worried about PR type stuff), the most they'll get is slapped do they REALLY want to ssay something that will affect them. How might they insult the vampires though? I'd like to avoid the usual "bloodsucker" "leech" insults. Those are expected. And nothing too poetic...we're talking basically redneck idiots. What might they say?
It's a pity you want rednecks; I have a load of ways for a smart, genre savvy person to wind up a vamp. All I can think of is them just getting it wrong. I've been lobbied by badly informed Christians (not that all Christians are badly informed, but, believe me, these ones were), and there just comes a point where you find yourself sick to the teeth of saying, "No, I don't worship Satan; Satan, as you visualise him, is a post classical construct. No, I don't sacrifice goats - that was Abraham - why not read your own Holy Book? And the black clobber has nothing to do with my religion." You can be reasonable for a certain length of time, but in the end you either walk away shaking your head, or snap, depending on temperament. Vampires, would snap.
So, as for Eg. Redneck waves cross: Come here, spawn of satan, damned corpse and feel the wrath of the LORD. Vampire: Look, I've told you, we're not undead, we're not irrelgious, and you're invading my personal space. Redneck: Foul demon, you shall not deceive me with the lies of Beelzebub (yes, I've met people who speak like this, especially if they have an audience) Vampire: Not a demon. Vampire. And, actually, I'm a Christian myself.... Redneck: Repent, unbeliever, for the fire of God shall... continue ad nauseum.
Remove the poetry if you feel like it. As I say, I've encountered the odd nutter who does their denouncing in hock King James style (some of them even use the second person informal, and get it wrong. Obliging as I am, I tend to correct their grammar), but the same list of utterly misinformed nonsense, repeated endlessly, is guaranteed to get vampire tempers blazing.
Zombie? If I were a vampire, I would be VERY offended by being compared to an even more corpselike undead.
In that vein, anything along the lines of "corpse." Or if they're religious, anything along the lines of "demon." For anything more creative, I'd need to know the details of your vampire mythos (can they enter houses uninvited, go out in the sun, subsist on animal blood/dead man's blood or only on live human's blood, do they have reflections, etc.).
They can enter houses, they do have reflections, some of them are religious some arent (like humans) and religious symbols don't affect them, they can't go out in the sun for more than thirty seconds before starting to burn (the ones with naturally darker skin would be able to go out longer before burning...rather like a human with a tan won't sunburn as quickly as a pale human), they can live on any blood but they PREFER human blood and the vast majority of them get it from blood banks or willing humans...some don't.
Huh. That pretty much wipes out my repertoire. I meant the protesters being religious, though, which it seems from your description of them like they would be, so they could still use any variant on "demon" you want.
Okay, I now feel that I have to add a scene like this to my vampire story... or maybe in the sequel. lol. (Mine are biological vamps with reflections, no fear of a cross... they sound like vamps after my own heart :) Although my full vamps just get really bad sunburn real quick, otherwise very similar (live on ox blood mostly). I want to read the book already :)
Now I'm trying to think on insults.. hmmm....
So I suppose the religious types would see them as demons? abominations? Insult their more free sexual orientation? (vamps don't discriminate on gender, right?)
They would quote the bible, I dare say. Need some that are about blood and demons.. should be heaps.
"And whatsoever man there be of the house of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn among you, that eateth any manner of blood; I will even set my face against that soul that eateth blood, and will cut him off from among his people. For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul. Therefore I said unto the children of Israel, No soul of you shall eat blood, neither shall any stranger that sojourneth among you eat blood. And whatsoever man there be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn among you, which hunteth and catcheth any beast or fowl that may be eaten; he shall even pour out the blood thereof, and cover it with dust. For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off." Leviticus 17:10-14, KJV
My translation of the Bible is the New Living Translation, which is more modern, 'accessible' language. So it might be more interesting. Or it might be more interesting to have a preacher-type yelling long passages of archaic English at the vampires while the rest just chant insults.
That's awesome...another one I wish I could use :( I can't see redneck people thinking that deeply into it. I like the coffin thing though...I can't believe I didn't think of that! *stealing*
I'd LOVE to use that but my story is set in 2080...most of the humans that would be shouting wouldn't even be alive when Twilight came out and if they were then they were too young to have heard of it.
You could say it started a trend, if you really wanted to use it. Maybe in a decade or so, there's a big wave of all paranormal creatures sparkling, or all vampires sparkling at least.
The rednecks I've known were not idiots—just close-minded and intolerant. Rednecks tend to have a strong us vs. them mentality. So whatever your 2080 rednecks pride themselves on being, have them taunt the vampires for being the opposite. If they think of themselves as courageous, have them accuse the vampires of being cowardly. If they think of themselves as righteous people who are on the one true path to holiness, have them call the vampires filthy beasts and repugnant sinful monsters. And so on...
This is what I was thinking. If the vampires consider themselves civilized, calling them out as beasts and monsters might especially sting, especially if said vampire is working VERY HARD to fight their inner beasts.
I think they'd concentrate on gender and sexuality and the fact of their being dead. Perverts, deviants, anti-gay insults - and the one that might really cut deep, if you want a redneck insult to ACTUALLY anger the vampire, after the warmup of demons, Satan spawn, filthy corpses and accusations of gayness...
The final breaking straw would be to their pride.
"You cowards! I'm not afraid to meet my Maker but you, you'd do anything rather than die. You'd kill your best friend or your lover, you'd kill your kid, you'd kill anyone just to get another unbreathing night of unlife! The least of us are better than you, we're willing to put our lives on the line for Christ because we know He'd welcome us! You're just running from the Hell you deserve!"
If enough other insults precede that one, straining the tension, that last accusation of cowardice would sting deep. Especially to any of them who HAD killed relatives, loved ones, anyone they cared about even in self defense. Especially in self defense.
Surely at least one of them made a kill that made him or her cry afterwards. I think that one would go right to the heart. Especially to the most prideful or the one with the greatest regrets.
I think being called an evil and disgusting "thing" as opposed to "man" or "person" would be fairly insulting, as it pretty much strips vampires of their humanity.
Well, I hate to go for the gendered anti-sex-worker insults, but as you've likened your anti-vamp protesters to the WBC, I feel they're somewhat expected. If there's a female vampire who's very powerful, they might call her "Satan's whore" or something along those lines. just feel like they'd be massive slut-shamers and thus would insult the sexuality (if they have any?) of any lady vamps they come across, especially if she was in charge or generally revered by other vampires.
And building off of what the person above me said, they could refer to vampires as "it" instead of by the correct pronouns. That would probably cut deep, and it's actually used in real life--one of the most insulting things you can do to a non-binary person is refer to hir as "it" instead of by the pronouns zie prefers.
go the venture bros route and have a character that just calls them "Draculas" instead of vampires. The vampires could get super annoyed and tell him that not all of them are named "Dracula". lol
"Draculas are foul cursed beasts that are condemned to hell! All Draculas will burn!!!"
Insulting a vampire...how might you do such a (dangerous) thing?
Ok, so these humans have been captured and they're like the westboro baptist people but they're protesting vampires and not gays. They know that shouting insults won't get them killed (the vampires are very worried about PR type stuff), the most they'll get is slapped do they REALLY want to ssay something that will affect them. How might they insult the vampires though? I'd like to avoid the usual "bloodsucker" "leech" insults. Those are expected. And nothing too poetic...we're talking basically redneck idiots. What might they say?
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It's a pity you want rednecks; I have a load of ways for a smart, genre savvy person to wind up a vamp. All I can think of is them just getting it wrong. I've been lobbied by badly informed Christians (not that all Christians are badly informed, but, believe me, these ones were), and there just comes a point where you find yourself sick to the teeth of saying, "No, I don't worship Satan; Satan, as you visualise him, is a post classical construct. No, I don't sacrifice goats - that was Abraham - why not read your own Holy Book? And the black clobber has nothing to do with my religion." You can be reasonable for a certain length of time, but in the end you either walk away shaking your head, or snap, depending on temperament. Vampires, would snap.
So, as for Eg. Redneck waves cross: Come here, spawn of satan, damned corpse and feel the wrath of the LORD.
Vampire: Look, I've told you, we're not undead, we're not irrelgious, and you're invading my personal space.
Redneck: Foul demon, you shall not deceive me with the lies of Beelzebub (yes, I've met people who speak like this, especially if they have an audience)
Vampire: Not a demon. Vampire. And, actually, I'm a Christian myself....
Redneck: Repent, unbeliever, for the fire of God shall...
continue ad nauseum.
Remove the poetry if you feel like it. As I say, I've encountered the odd nutter who does their denouncing in hock King James style (some of them even use the second person informal, and get it wrong. Obliging as I am, I tend to correct their grammar), but the same list of utterly misinformed nonsense, repeated endlessly, is guaranteed to get vampire tempers blazing.
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Zombie? If I were a vampire, I would be VERY offended by being compared to an even more corpselike undead.
In that vein, anything along the lines of "corpse." Or if they're religious, anything along the lines of "demon." For anything more creative, I'd need to know the details of your vampire mythos (can they enter houses uninvited, go out in the sun, subsist on animal blood/dead man's blood or only on live human's blood, do they have reflections, etc.).
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They can enter houses, they do have reflections, some of them are religious some arent (like humans) and religious symbols don't affect them, they can't go out in the sun for more than thirty seconds before starting to burn (the ones with naturally darker skin would be able to go out longer before burning...rather like a human with a tan won't sunburn as quickly as a pale human), they can live on any blood but they PREFER human blood and the vast majority of them get it from blood banks or willing humans...some don't.
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Huh. That pretty much wipes out my repertoire. I meant the protesters being religious, though, which it seems from your description of them like they would be, so they could still use any variant on "demon" you want.
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Well, I think calling a religious vampire a demon could have a particular sting to it, regardless of who says it, yes?
This also adds words like incubus/succubus in as possibilities.
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Okay, I now feel that I have to add a scene like this to my vampire story... or maybe in the sequel. lol. (Mine are biological vamps with reflections, no fear of a cross... they sound like vamps after my own heart :) Although my full vamps just get really bad sunburn real quick, otherwise very similar (live on ox blood mostly). I want to read the book already :)
Now I'm trying to think on insults.. hmmm....
So I suppose the religious types would see them as demons? abominations? Insult their more free sexual orientation? (vamps don't discriminate on gender, right?)
They would quote the bible, I dare say. Need some that are about blood and demons.. should be heaps.
"And whatsoever man there be of the house of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn among you, that eateth any manner of blood; I will even set my face against that soul that eateth blood, and will cut him off from among his people. For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul. Therefore I said unto the children of Israel, No soul of you shall eat blood, neither shall any stranger that sojourneth among you eat blood. And whatsoever man there be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn among you, which hunteth and catcheth any beast or fowl that may be eaten; he shall even pour out the blood thereof, and cover it with dust. For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off."
Leviticus 17:10-14, KJV
Or not... it's all a bit boring. lol.
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My translation of the Bible is the New Living Translation, which is more modern, 'accessible' language. So it might be more interesting. Or it might be more interesting to have a preacher-type yelling long passages of archaic English at the vampires while the rest just chant insults.
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I also like the idea of zombie-based disses.
Additionally, if your vampires don't *actually* sleep in coffins and aren't all Eastern European, allusions to things like that could be annoying.
If your story is modern and you don't mind stamping a date on it, you can have people yelling silly things like "sparkle for me!"
soulless stiffs, anemic shamblers, molesters/rapists, heliophobic flying rats
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heliophobic flying rats?
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sun-fearing bats.
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That's awesome...another one I wish I could use :( I can't see redneck people thinking that deeply into it. I like the coffin thing though...I can't believe I didn't think of that! *stealing*
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I love "Sparkle for me!" If I am ever in a situation where I can safely diss a vampire (or vampire wannabe) and want to, I am so saying that to them.
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I'd LOVE to use that but my story is set in 2080...most of the humans that would be shouting wouldn't even be alive when Twilight came out and if they were then they were too young to have heard of it.
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You could say it started a trend, if you really wanted to use it. Maybe in a decade or so, there's a big wave of all paranormal creatures sparkling, or all vampires sparkling at least.
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The fine folks at Fellowship of the Sun have some things to say about vampires: http://fellowshipofthesun.org/home.html
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I love True Blood :)
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okay, hold on.. where can I get the first book of the series ;)
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Of my series? http://storywrite.com/list/515963-Shade
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You should seriously publish these on smashwords.com or something. looks like a fun read. (and make a few dollars as well. lol)
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Got any insult ideas though?
And I might, I don't know
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Still thinking. lol. I tried some bible research, but that was a bit thin...
I keeping just hitting
abomination
soulless demon
monster
spawn of satan
type stuff.
in the name of Jesus Christ I command thee demon soul to leave this child of God...
would annoy me tho. lol
MOD NOTE
Moved from Reference Desk. OP noted.
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The rednecks I've known were not idiots—just close-minded and intolerant. Rednecks tend to have a strong us vs. them mentality. So whatever your 2080 rednecks pride themselves on being, have them taunt the vampires for being the opposite. If they think of themselves as courageous, have them accuse the vampires of being cowardly. If they think of themselves as righteous people who are on the one true path to holiness, have them call the vampires filthy beasts and repugnant sinful monsters. And so on...
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+1
This is what I was thinking. If the vampires consider themselves civilized, calling them out as beasts and monsters might especially sting, especially if said vampire is working VERY HARD to fight their inner beasts.
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I think they'd concentrate on gender and sexuality and the fact of their being dead. Perverts, deviants, anti-gay insults - and the one that might really cut deep, if you want a redneck insult to ACTUALLY anger the vampire, after the warmup of demons, Satan spawn, filthy corpses and accusations of gayness...
The final breaking straw would be to their pride.
"You cowards! I'm not afraid to meet my Maker but you, you'd do anything rather than die. You'd kill your best friend or your lover, you'd kill your kid, you'd kill anyone just to get another unbreathing night of unlife! The least of us are better than you, we're willing to put our lives on the line for Christ because we know He'd welcome us! You're just running from the Hell you deserve!"
If enough other insults precede that one, straining the tension, that last accusation of cowardice would sting deep. Especially to any of them who HAD killed relatives, loved ones, anyone they cared about even in self defense. Especially in self defense.
Surely at least one of them made a kill that made him or her cry afterwards. I think that one would go right to the heart. Especially to the most prideful or the one with the greatest regrets.
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what alysdragon said
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I think being called an evil and disgusting "thing" as opposed to "man" or "person" would be fairly insulting, as it pretty much strips vampires of their humanity.
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Well, I hate to go for the gendered anti-sex-worker insults, but as you've likened your anti-vamp protesters to the WBC, I feel they're somewhat expected. If there's a female vampire who's very powerful, they might call her "Satan's whore" or something along those lines. just feel like they'd be massive slut-shamers and thus would insult the sexuality (if they have any?) of any lady vamps they come across, especially if she was in charge or generally revered by other vampires.
And building off of what the person above me said, they could refer to vampires as "it" instead of by the correct pronouns. That would probably cut deep, and it's actually used in real life--one of the most insulting things you can do to a non-binary person is refer to hir as "it" instead of by the pronouns zie prefers.
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go the venture bros route and have a character that just calls them "Draculas" instead of vampires. The vampires could get super annoyed and tell him that not all of them are named "Dracula". lol
"Draculas are foul cursed beasts that are condemned to hell! All Draculas will burn!!!"
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"Draculas Suck!"