This thread brings me so much joy each year, and it is my pleasure to bring it to you again in November 2011!
You know you're writing lit-fic when...
- You're thinking you might be sci-fi, but you don't think you're sci-fi enough to be sci-fi, or you might be romance, but you're not romantic enough to be romance, or you might be... [ad infinitum]
- People ask you a direct, simple questions about your novel and your answer always seems to be "uuuuhhhhhh..."
- After planning your novel for weeks, you realise you have neglected the plot.
- Thinking about your novel always seems to lead to what feels like a tiny existential crisis.
LOL, I have 4 out of 4, so I can say without any doubt that YES, I'M WRITING LIT-FIC! :D I hope it doesn't turn out too much of an existential crisis! I'm a rookie, I really don't know what to expect here! I'm getting super psyched now, I found my genre! =)
uuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Perfect! I love all 7,716 of my words so far. Watching my characters grow - or at least converse, or think or whatever it is they are doing.
What is that p word pl...pl..plot? I need a dictionary on that one.
...You have to force yourself to write an actual action-y, conflict-y event, and reward your slavish efforts with some rich, yummy character development in the name of a reaction. The action takes 5000 words. The reaction takes 50000.
Raquelin wrote: ...You have to force yourself to write an actual action-y, conflict-y event, and reward your slavish efforts with some rich, yummy character development in the name of a reaction. The action takes 5000 words. The reaction takes 50000.
Bewitched.Rhapsody wrote: - when the fact that your character likes open floor plans or dislikes the color yellow is actually extremely important to the plot.
oooooh, your mentioning of yellow brought to mind one of my most favourite short stories ever: Charlotte Perkins Gilman's "The Yellow Wallpaper". (Project Gutenberg has it free to download and read.)
I think a good solution to the character name problem (which I have every freaking year (except that year when my character was called "the man with no name" for most of the story)) is to use a last name as a first name. Like "Murphy" or "York" or "Chase". It works for me at least.
Photographs. Yes. When I can't articulate what the characters are feeling I draw them. The feelings. Not the characters. Braiding together short stories is my plan for this years NaNo. I can't decide on one for each day or just coming up with them as I go. If I do that there is a possibility that there will be hundreds and that no one will have a name.
The short story thing, definitely. I did that one year - I followed the travels of a $5 bill as it circulated throughout a small town. A couple of characters kept repeating but overall it was a rambling mish-mash of daily life. No plot but lots of interesting people.
-When you have a character rush out to save the world, only to have him stuck in the middle of another character's monologue about how there aren't any heroes.
When the entire novel is written in the interrogative mood. I am not doing this, but I noticed Padgett Powell's novel(?) on a shelf while I was out and about today, and I could not help but add this.
I swore I was writing chick lit last year, but that was because I thought Lit Fic was too cool for me... now I'm officially aware it was lit fic because these pretty much all apply. The one of "people ask what your novel is about and your reply is 'uhhh'" is RIDICULOUSLY true. It's happened on numerous occasions.
When the characters of your entire 50,000 word nano all start in the same setting and none of them leave by the end of the novel, making the whole story a continuous stream of events in a short few hours window.... this is the excuse for a novel that I am attempting to create this year!
You have been told that your novel is not so much a novel but really more of a concept :)
—when you keep making footnotes, and then keep telling more interesting stories in the footnotes than you do in the main text
—when you're mixing in so many facts about this-and-that, I mean complete non sequiturs or barely sequiturs, that you start to wonder if what you're writing is really fiction
—when you get about 50K words into the thing, you get distracted by the thought that you're actually writing a huge interconnected multilevel personal essay, which of course will be impossible to sell to a publisher, let alone market
Agreed. I love Infinite Jest's footnotes. They make you go, "Ohhh, so that was part of that and /that/ was... *mindblown*" Infinite Jest makes me go incoherent and I love it for that.
- When your MC has meaningful interactions with his semi-sentient clairvoyant household appliances
- When a character dies because you need the drama, then comes back as a moldy piece of fruit because you still need that character as a counterpoint to your MC
- When you tell people about the clairvoyant microwave and the moldy fruit character and explain their relevance to your theme of self sabotage and they just, sort of, look at you.
- When you sit back after planning and think "you know what,even I probably wouldn't read this."
The 'even I wouldn't read this' feeling. Get it all the time! The irony is, I would read a book where one of the characters is a microwave and another is a mouldy bit of fruit. I've already read a book where one of the characters is a 500 pound Bengal tiger...
haha, | did this a bit last year, except | exercised full capricious creatorship over their abilities
a coffee cup that could see but not hear and had to relate an intense conversation between two angry lovers basely solely upon body language and inference.
also a chair who was abandoned when a building caught fire and has the priviledge of being the only character in the story who swore
When you finally hunker down and write your synopsis, it takes a half an hour and ends up reading as fallows:
Boy and Girl and Boy. It's a tale of sex, romance, drugs, more sex, betrayal. hate, love, 48 fifths of whiskey and 3 bottles of vodka and what it means to define yourself, and to fit in, all while having something to do with the Pink Flamingo pool.
There are so many cigarettes in your novel you gave up quitting.
You already know you are going to give up sleep.
You're not sure if you're stable enough to be writing about anyone who is that messed up.
..when you catch two characters in the same room, and they are actually talking to each other (yay for you!) and then you realize that what you hoped to be their conversation is a dialogue of internal monologues about things that they would never tell each other.
You Know You're Writing Lit-Fic When...
This thread brings me so much joy each year, and it is my pleasure to bring it to you again in November 2011!
You know you're writing lit-fic when...
- You're thinking you might be sci-fi, but you don't think you're sci-fi enough to be sci-fi, or you might be romance, but you're not romantic enough to be romance, or you might be... [ad infinitum]
- People ask you a direct, simple questions about your novel and your answer always seems to be "uuuuhhhhhh..."
- After planning your novel for weeks, you realise you have neglected the plot.
- Thinking about your novel always seems to lead to what feels like a tiny existential crisis.
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Oh yeah. Totally identified with the "uuuuuhhhhhh" reply.
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'People ask you a direct, simple questions about your novel and your answer always seems to be "uuuuhhhhhh..."'
Always happens to me whenever someone asks me what my novel is about.
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Agreed...and then they look at you like you have three heads.
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^ Yep, yep, yep and yep.
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Check, check, check, and, yep. Check.
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LOL, I have 4 out of 4, so I can say without any doubt that YES, I'M WRITING LIT-FIC! :D
I hope it doesn't turn out too much of an existential crisis! I'm a rookie, I really don't know what to expect here!
I'm getting super psyched now, I found my genre! =)
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or in my instance, "about 20k words into the novel" I realise such. X_x
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And in my instance, 25k words into the novel I realized this...Oops.
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"Thinking about your novel always seems to lead to what feels like a tiny existential crisis."
-- Oh most definitely
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yes, yup, yeah, oh hell yes.
Wow, I didn't actually know what genre I was writing. BUT NOW I DO...and I'm even more intimidated. Gah!!!
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These cracked me up!
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Haaaa, yeah. Definitely know I'm writing lit-fic now.
"uuuuuhhh..."
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Pretty much 4 for 4 here.
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uuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Perfect! I love all 7,716 of my words so far. Watching my characters grow - or at least converse, or think or whatever it is they are doing.
What is that p word pl...pl..plot? I need a dictionary on that one.
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Oh man, that was "check" after "check"! Almost too true to be funny!
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O - M - G. Too funny.
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Jorge Luis Borges appeals to one's sense of Magical Realism.
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When you veer into the treachorous contested waters of Philosophy and Politics. So try to change Society [whilst you are at it].
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...You have to force yourself to write an actual action-y, conflict-y event, and reward your slavish efforts with some rich, yummy character development in the name of a reaction. The action takes 5000 words. The reaction takes 50000.
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OH GOSH YES.
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EXACTLY!
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- when your outline actually says a lot of the time, "... And then the main ponders about this for a bit."
- when the conflict is almost always internal.
- when people ask you about the plot and you say, "There isn't one, really..."
- when people say it's impossible to write a novel without a plot and you say, "Well, it's just all about the characters."
- when the fact that your character likes open floor plans or dislikes the color yellow is actually extremely important to the plot.
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oooooh, your mentioning of yellow brought to mind one of my most favourite short stories ever: Charlotte Perkins Gilman's "The Yellow Wallpaper". (Project Gutenberg has it free to download and read.)
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It's such a brilliant short story, I devoured it when I first discovered it...
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Wrote a paper on this for a Literature class. It was quite inspiring for my current novel actually, at least, a little bit.
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Thats the first thing I thought, too
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Inquisitive Person: What's it about?"
Me: People.
IP: Who's the main character?
Me: There isn't really one?
IP: Who's the antagonist?
Me: Society.
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this.
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Heck yes.
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Always.
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yep
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Story of my novel right about now -lol
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- Your story might be better off as a series of photographs.
- You're attempting to braid together ~30 short stories.
- Your outline is covered in ?'s.
- You run out of character names halfway through the outline, and can't think of any that are "real enough - but not too normal".
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THIS. Yes. My outline is filled with questions and "perhaps" statements, wondering what on Earth I'm doing.
I'm classifying my novel as "unintelligible gibberish" until I feel like I have a handle on things, which may never happen.
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I feel the same way!!
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I think a good solution to the character name problem (which I have every freaking year (except that year when my character was called "the man with no name" for most of the story)) is to use a last name as a first name. Like "Murphy" or "York" or "Chase". It works for me at least.
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This year I couldn't name half my characters, so a lot of them just got aliases, like Crank, Electric, and The Priest.
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Photographs. Yes. When I can't articulate what the characters are feeling I draw them. The feelings. Not the characters.
Braiding together short stories is my plan for this years NaNo. I can't decide on one for each day or just coming up with them as I go. If I do that there is a possibility that there will be hundreds and that no one will have a name.
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YES. Esp the braiding short stories together. XD
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All but the second perfectly describe my novel!
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The short story thing, definitely. I did that one year - I followed the travels of a $5 bill as it circulated throughout a small town. A couple of characters kept repeating but overall it was a rambling mish-mash of daily life. No plot but lots of interesting people.
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That sounds amazing! I'd love to read that book. :D
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Naaaames. >.<
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oooooooh, THIS TOO *___*
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&....
- Your MC is "that feeling you get in the pit of your stomach".
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if that is your MC, i want to read your novel.
... it can't be summed up in one word less than the complete manuscript length
... your theme is 'themes'
... the plot is how your book's voice changes
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Ha ha! I'm pretty sure my theme is "themes", too. Dang. At least I know I'm in the right place.
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yeah, that whole theme-is-themes paradox totally rocked my socks too.
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That first one is the best yet, so true
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Was that a Finnegans Wake
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-When you have a character rush out to save the world, only to have him stuck in the middle of another character's monologue about how there aren't any heroes.
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-when you can write five thousand words and then realize that your character is alone in a room and hasn't said a word the entire time.
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This.
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My entire novel so far can be summed up by this ^
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...your characters spend a hell of a lot of time in coffee shops
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Oh, oh... Yes, I identify with this one too...
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Yes, coffee shops. And for a change of pace, they'll go to a bar.
I actually think my entire "plot" (if I have one) revolves around the consumption of beverages.
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or diners, to be different
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I once read an entire fanfic that was in a coffee shop. It was called Coffee Girl.
Oh wow, it was so lit fic too, its insane.
(PS I loved it so much <3)
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When the entire novel is written in the interrogative mood. I am not doing this, but I noticed Padgett Powell's novel(?) on a shelf while I was out and about today, and I could not help but add this.
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- when you're on chapter 3 and you haven't yet flushed out any of the characters to your readers.
- when you break so many rules of writing and it either works...or you don't care.
- when you can't quite seem to fit your writing into any other genre.
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--When your British Literature Professor complements your style of writing. (Junior Year)
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I swore I was writing chick lit last year, but that was because I thought Lit Fic was too cool for me... now I'm officially aware it was lit fic because these pretty much all apply. The one of "people ask what your novel is about and your reply is 'uhhh'" is RIDICULOUSLY true. It's happened on numerous occasions.
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LOL. I thought I was writing chick-lit too, for the exact same reason.
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When the characters of your entire 50,000 word nano all start in the same setting and none of them leave by the end of the novel, making the whole story a continuous stream of events in a short few hours window.... this is the excuse for a novel that I am attempting to create this year!
You have been told that your novel is not so much a novel but really more of a concept :)
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—when you keep making footnotes, and then keep telling more interesting stories in the footnotes than you do in the main text
—when you're mixing in so many facts about this-and-that, I mean complete non sequiturs or barely sequiturs, that you start to wonder if what you're writing is really fiction
—when you get about 50K words into the thing, you get distracted by the thought that you're actually writing a huge interconnected multilevel personal essay, which of course will be impossible to sell to a publisher, let alone market
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This reminded me of Infinite Jest, especially with the footnotes. I still have nightmares about those footnotes...
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Reading Infinite Jest right now. I could argue that some of the best parts of the book are in those pesky footnotes.
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Agreed. I love Infinite Jest's footnotes. They make you go, "Ohhh, so that was part of that and /that/ was... *mindblown*"
Infinite Jest makes me go incoherent and I love it for that.
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- When your MC's chosen occupation is just an excuse for him/her to get mired in existential angst.
- When your settings are just new things for the characters to get philosophical about.
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^ ...when your MC's chosen occupation is just an excuse for him/her to get mired in existential angst...
holy molars yes.
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- When your MC has meaningful interactions with his semi-sentient clairvoyant household appliances
- When a character dies because you need the drama, then comes back as a moldy piece of fruit because you still need that character as a counterpoint to your MC
- When you tell people about the clairvoyant microwave and the moldy fruit character and explain their relevance to your theme of self sabotage and they just, sort of, look at you.
- When you sit back after planning and think "you know what,even I probably wouldn't read this."
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Can I read this, if this is your novel? Pretty please?
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I second this, I'd totally love to read that!
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I would, too! Up with moldy pieces of fruit!
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The 'even I wouldn't read this' feeling. Get it all the time!
The irony is, I would read a book where one of the characters is a microwave and another is a mouldy bit of fruit. I've already read a book where one of the characters is a 500 pound Bengal tiger...
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Same here!
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haha, | did this a bit last year, except | exercised full capricious creatorship over their abilities
a coffee cup that could see but not hear and had to relate an intense conversation between two angry lovers basely solely upon body language and inference.
also a chair who was abandoned when a building caught fire and has the priviledge of being the only character in the story who swore
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I looked back on my novel last yearn and I suspect that it really belongs in this genre instead of fantasy where I had it shoved before.
Because the actual main character is an inanimate box. Sure there are other characters, but they're all just side characters in the story of the box.
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I must read this!
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Same as above! I would love to read this...
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When you finally hunker down and write your synopsis, it takes a half an hour and ends up reading as fallows:
Boy and Girl and Boy.
It's a tale of sex, romance, drugs, more sex, betrayal. hate, love, 48 fifths of whiskey and 3 bottles of vodka and what it means to define yourself, and to fit in, all while having something to do with the Pink Flamingo pool.
There are so many cigarettes in your novel you gave up quitting.
You already know you are going to give up sleep.
You're not sure if you're stable enough to be writing about anyone who is that messed up.
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LOL on the cigarrettes... Yes, that applies to me too, dang it.
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Right? Lol.
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When you have perhaps 1K of conversations in the whole book, and perhaps 30K worth of internal monologues.
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That sounds uncomfortably true of everything I've ever written.
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..when you catch two characters in the same room, and they are actually talking to each other (yay for you!) and then you realize that what you hoped to be their conversation is a dialogue of internal monologues about things that they would never tell each other.