Using Scrivener looks good but another bloody payout because personal Computing world does not like giving decent stuff for free and so more problems for those of us on low fixed incomes. *sigh* I am on another note glad to see Windows Version. I am also pleased to see what looks like a commitment to Cross Platform availabilty, theoretically Scrivener could go whole way, Iphone, Ipad, Nokia, Blackberry App land.. Desktop syncing...
The people who code Scrivener, answer tech support, and everything else want to be paid too. They want to be able to have a 401k and retire before they're 98. ;)
With the updates to Scrivener this past year, I'm really looking forward to Nano this year. The targets, the name generator. I have it already set up to back-up projects like crazy.
I use main Target window (Apple-Ctrl-T) to help me keep track of where I'm at each day. Set the daily quota, the hopeful word count of the entire novel, and away I go. Has anyone used the target controls on individual documents instead (the 3-inset circles on the bottom right)? Any benefit in doing that other than drilling down to what is wanted down to each document/scene/chapter?
I don't usually set word count goals, so I haven't used the targets feature yet. But I'll probably look into it for this year's novel. I've been using Scrivener for several years, and keep being amazed by it, especially with the latest version. Anything that's longer than a blog post has its own Project file, so no matter how disorganized and crazy things get, everything's in one place, ready for business.
HE ADDED A NAME GENERATOR?? I haven't updated my old Scrivener yet, but I think that alone would be worth price of admission even without the other new awesome sounding features...
i wonder how to usea name generator, there is so much on here to use all i do is the individul texts for scenes which was greeat for me,but last night i lot my intire50 k i didn finally find after 2 hours but im learyof it now.
I'm joining in with the Scrivener love! However, I've noticed a bit of a discrepancy between the targets feature and the project word-count: both have been set to just include what would go into my compile, and yet there's a hefty difference between the two. The target says ~11000, the word count ~9000. Anyone have any ideas what could be causing this? Thanks!
Project Statistics uses your complete compile settings, meaning that it may exclude annotations, add titles or prefixes, etc. based on how you've set things up in File > Compile. Project Targets, since it needs to keep a live update as you write, will calculate based off the text displayed in the editor, so including inline notes, not including titles, and so on. It also will include the text of files that you have set to compile even if in the formatting of compile you've fancied this up to include just the title of the document's type rather than its text. For instance, if you set a folder to compile and have written some notes directly in that folder text but aren't compiling them, Project Statistics will not count them but the Project Targets will. If you find you're doing this a lot--writing text in a document that you do want to compile, just without text--you might want to just deselect "include in compile" for these temporarily to keep your Targets more on track, then adjust the settings at the end of the month when you're ready to compile the whole draft for validation.
i wish i understood all this. i would like to use scrivener but i am computer iliterate. all i did was just type in idiviual scenes which helped me so i can move them about,but now i have my 50k and all this daily documents and cant figure out how to get it to the verify process.I would by scrivenr but after last nihgt when i accidently hit a key thee word compile apeared adn i lost my entire 50 k, after 32 hours of crying and searching i finally found it i think but i cnat figure out to verify on word count on NaNo
I love scrivener to bits, and I do use the targets for individual documents, mainly because I like to tap buttons instead of tricky key strokes, but also because it keeps me on track, and stops me from straying into different chapters. I like to keep things simple and it works for me. I've reached the 50k goal every time for six years.
I'm on Ubuntu 11.04 (for a day or two more ;-) ) and I'm LOVING Scrivener Beta - works just fine. It's not as complete as the Mac version, sure, but it's working just fine for me...
PS - it was when I read that the lead writer for Gears of War III was using it - then I stopped wondering about what I wanted to use, and signed up, quick smart...
I got Scrivener after I won NaNo last year, and have used it more for planning some more intricate pieces than for writing. However, I think it may be time to break it in. I haven't decided yet if I'm going to use it. There's a lot about it that seems to have those scary complications and distractions that aren't conducive to NaNo, but then again it has features like the target system and fullscreen writing.
I've always been so highly no-frills in the past that I'm nervous about breaking that habit, haha.
Hey, I started to really like that kind of stuff, like Q10. Then, I discovered the full screen mode in Scriv (F11 for PC users, or you can just hit the shortcut button in the tools bar). I even found a free program that I can start and then close when I'm done that gives me typewriter sounds. You can change the color of the text and background to suit your mood, so you can get into that minimalist mode and just lose yourself in the writing. It's actually quite fun to have the music going and nothing but a completely black screen with dim yellow text to fuel the creative juices on a late night write-a-thon.
The Compose option (ie, full screen) will give you exactly what you want: a screen with NO distractions. You can also configure it to show you your word-count for the day, so that you can meet your daily NaNoWriMo target!
The fabulous thing about Scrivener is that you have everything relating to your story in one place. Characters, notes, outlines, research, setting descriptions, plus whatever you can think of. Mega-fabulous: being able to shuffle scenes around in the corkboard is awesome! Try doing THAT with word (or Pages if you use a Mac).
I can't write without it. Well, I could, but I'd rather not.
Maybe it IS a Mac-only feature, but the word count (for the text) is displayed on the toolbar at the bottom in full screen mode (you have to move your mouse to the bottom of the screen to make it appear). The complete word count is only visible in the "Targets" or "Project Statistics", at least I haven't found it elsewhere. You can make the "Targets" visible in the fullscreen mode by clicking on "Project" --> "Show Project Targets". The little window pops up where you see the draft target (your total word count measured against your total word count goal, that's where you have to insert the 50k) and the session target (which gets set automatically if you enter a deadline in the options)
couldn't edit - my description is for the Mac version, but I think the windows version is similar enough to find the features if you're looking for them (someone correct me if that's not true :-/ )
Thanks! I was wondering because the poster said the full screen could be "configured" to show word count, so something more permanent than mousing over the bottom.. but maybe it's not possible.
seajewel wrote: Thanks! I was wondering because the poster said the full screen could be "configured" to show word count, so something more permanent than mousing over the bottom.. but maybe it's not possible.
Shift Apple T (or Project->Show Project Targets) will bring up the project and session target window. This window will stay up in full window mode. I've been using Scrivener the last 3 nanos (and again on this fourth), and the project target window is motivating.
Project Targets can be brought up in composition mode on the Mac but currently can't on Windows, so you can cheat around this by calling them up before you go into full screen and placing the floating window over to one side, then in FS adjust the background fade so you can see through to the project targets while you write. Document-specific word count is visible in the control panel at the bottom when you hover your mouse there or in the context menu if you select text and right-click.
I too love Scrivener! 2009 was my first year in nanowrimo and I used their 30 day trial. Once I won that year I bought the program with the discount because I was soo impressed with it. I really don't think I would have made it to 50k without the application. Since their big update last year I have been utilizing the dropbox feature to move documents from Scrivener onto my iPad for editing. It has been a dream to use! I highly recommend it to anyone who writes.
The iPad sync makes me so happy it's ridiculous. I heart Scrivener so freaking much. I've been using it since it came out for the Mac, and it makes my writing life so much easier.
I used Scrivener last year and absolutely loved it. I've used it for all my writing projects now and can't imagine writing without it. It's a fantastic piece of software!
I'm a longtime Scrivener user (on an MBP), but this is the first time I'll be integrating iPad syncing for on-the-go writing. Any suggestions for workflow management (or reference organization)?
I'm still on the hunt for a solid iPad app that can handle my research content and the draft itself.
I've also been seeking a decent app for my iPad and I've found one that looks promising and is supposed to play well with Scrivener: Notebooks by Alfons Schmid. There is also an app for the iPhone, and there are plans for a Mac version to be released later this year. I installed it today and I'm crossing my fingers.
I've been investigating Simplenote for the draft with Awesome Note for research, but Notebooks looks promising. (Not too thrilled with the GUI, but if it keeps my folders organized and synced neatly, I'm willing to compromise.)
elixireleven wrote: Sweet. Let me know how it works out for you.
I've been investigating Simplenote for the draft with Awesome Note for research, but Notebooks looks promising. (Not too thrilled with the GUI, but if it keeps my folders organized and synced neatly, I'm willing to compromise.)
I used SimpleNote recently to write a 100-page pilot story. It worked out well, and syncing with Scriv was smooth:
Evernote is great for research, but not nearly as distraction free writing as SimpleNote. It's unlikely I'll use SN for nano since Scrivener is so well suited me for the last 3 years thus far.
I JUST found Scrivner. I haven't used it yet, but after going through the tutorial, I am SO excited to use it :D. SO much stuff to use, or so little. I'm glad they give you the choice, and it's not overwhelming and cramped. It's the coolest writing program I've found so far :D.
I can brain-dump everything into it and then sort it out later. And when I do sort (aka edit), it's like flowcharting and I don't have to cut and paste!
It's everything I wish I had had when I was writing my dissertation!
I didn't start using Scrivener until after NaNo last year because I didn't want the trouble of learning a new program on top of doing the challenge, but after using it all this past year I am definitely looking forward to using it for NaNo this year. It's so easy to keep your manuscript organized.
It's not available yet. It's supposed to go up next week. You can go ahead and download the regular trial now though and give it a spin. It won't interfere when you download the NaNo trial next week. (Though I think you may have to uninstall the regular trial first prior to installing the NaNo version.)
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Actually, the regular trial version runs out after you open it on 30 separate days, (so if I have it open just once a week it'll last me 30 weeks).
The NaNo trial version has a specific time limit-- it runs out December 7th no matter when you download it. However, if you download it the first day it becomes available, you get about 44 days out of it, instead of 30.
And it's set up with features that are going to be useful to Nano. I've got the regular version and have just downloaded the nano template. I haven't tried it yet but it looks like it will be good and it's great to have a nano specific template to work in.
I've been using Scrivener over the past year, since the first Win beta appeared, and quite like it. Must look into the nano template though; haven't explored that yet!
I wouldn't dream of using anything but Scrivener for NaNoWriMo. I love the full-screen mode, especially. I set it so I can still see my desktop background on either side (I always have it set for something inspiring) along with my timer program for sprints. :)
I just bought Scrivener for Mac after doing the free trial and loving it. I even went through the entire tutorial, got really excited about what it could do, and then promptly forgot everything I read. :) I'll have to go through it again prior to November 1 because I'd hate to miss out on features that could be really helpful if only I knew they existed.
First time using Scrivener this year for NaNo. I've only used it before to move and organize my last year's novel into a more manageable format. I'm really looking forward to using it!
I tried the Scrivener for Windows beta last year and really liked it. The one thing that kind of gave me a hard time is that Scrivener counts hyphenated words (for example, "bright-colored") as 2 words while the NaNo word count validator only counts them as 1 word (the word count validator actually counts the *spaces* between the words). So you'll need to allow for this so you don't come up short in your word count at the end.
I started using the Scrivener beta for Windows last year. Loved it. Using it currently for planning. I will definitely purchase it when it's available.
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Using Scrivener looks good but another bloody payout because personal Computing world does not like giving decent stuff for free and so more problems for those of us on low fixed incomes. *sigh*
I am on another note glad to see Windows Version. I am also pleased to see what looks like a commitment to Cross Platform availabilty, theoretically Scrivener could go whole way, Iphone, Ipad, Nokia, Blackberry App land.. Desktop syncing...
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The people who code Scrivener, answer tech support, and everything else want to be paid too. They want to be able to have a 401k and retire before they're 98. ;)
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With the updates to Scrivener this past year, I'm really looking forward to Nano this year. The targets, the name generator. I have it already set up to back-up projects like crazy.
I use main Target window (Apple-Ctrl-T) to help me keep track of where I'm at each day. Set the daily quota, the hopeful word count of the entire novel, and away I go. Has anyone used the target controls on individual documents instead (the 3-inset circles on the bottom right)? Any benefit in doing that other than drilling down to what is wanted down to each document/scene/chapter?
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I don't usually set word count goals, so I haven't used the targets feature yet. But I'll probably look into it for this year's novel. I've been using Scrivener for several years, and keep being amazed by it, especially with the latest version. Anything that's longer than a blog post has its own Project file, so no matter how disorganized and crazy things get, everything's in one place, ready for business.
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HE ADDED A NAME GENERATOR?? I haven't updated my old Scrivener yet, but I think that alone would be worth price of admission even without the other new awesome sounding features...
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i wonder how to usea name generator, there is so much on here to use all i do is the individul texts for scenes which was greeat for me,but last night i lot my intire50 k i didn finally find after 2 hours but im learyof it now.
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I'd never found the Name Generator before! This is how I'm going to avoid working on my plot for the next week!
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Hehe, glad I could help with the procrastination. :P
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This actually helped me name one of my characters. So much for being a distraction.
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I'm joining in with the Scrivener love! However, I've noticed a bit of a discrepancy between the targets feature and the project word-count: both have been set to just include what would go into my compile, and yet there's a hefty difference between the two. The target says ~11000, the word count ~9000. Anyone have any ideas what could be causing this? Thanks!
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Project Statistics uses your complete compile settings, meaning that it may exclude annotations, add titles or prefixes, etc. based on how you've set things up in File > Compile. Project Targets, since it needs to keep a live update as you write, will calculate based off the text displayed in the editor, so including inline notes, not including titles, and so on. It also will include the text of files that you have set to compile even if in the formatting of compile you've fancied this up to include just the title of the document's type rather than its text. For instance, if you set a folder to compile and have written some notes directly in that folder text but aren't compiling them, Project Statistics will not count them but the Project Targets will. If you find you're doing this a lot--writing text in a document that you do want to compile, just without text--you might want to just deselect "include in compile" for these temporarily to keep your Targets more on track, then adjust the settings at the end of the month when you're ready to compile the whole draft for validation.
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i wish i understood all this. i would like to use scrivener but i am computer iliterate. all i did was just type in idiviual scenes which helped me so i can move them about,but now i have my 50k and all this daily documents and cant figure out how to get it to the verify process.I would by scrivenr but after last nihgt when i accidently hit a key thee word compile apeared adn i lost my entire 50 k, after 32 hours of crying and searching i finally found it i think but i cnat figure out to verify on word count on NaNo
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I love scrivener to bits, and I do use the targets for individual documents, mainly because I like to tap buttons instead of tricky key strokes, but also because it keeps me on track, and stops me from straying into different chapters. I like to keep things simple and it works for me. I've reached the 50k goal every time for six years.
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Hi, scriv user here too!
Anyone using Linux?
I'll be happy to listen to any tips, still in a daze..
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I do my writing in Linux, and I'm looking forward to checking out the Linux beta!
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I'm on Ubuntu 11.04 (for a day or two more ;-) ) and I'm LOVING Scrivener Beta - works just fine. It's not as complete as the Mac version, sure, but it's working just fine for me...
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PS - it was when I read that the lead writer for Gears of War III was using it - then I stopped wondering about what I wanted to use, and signed up, quick smart...
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I didn't know that about Gears, big fan of those games and the storyline. Adding this to the random facts I now know.
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I got Scrivener after I won NaNo last year, and have used it more for planning some more intricate pieces than for writing. However, I think it may be time to break it in. I haven't decided yet if I'm going to use it. There's a lot about it that seems to have those scary complications and distractions that aren't conducive to NaNo, but then again it has features like the target system and fullscreen writing.
I've always been so highly no-frills in the past that I'm nervous about breaking that habit, haha.
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Hey, I started to really like that kind of stuff, like Q10. Then, I discovered the full screen mode in Scriv (F11 for PC users, or you can just hit the shortcut button in the tools bar). I even found a free program that I can start and then close when I'm done that gives me typewriter sounds. You can change the color of the text and background to suit your mood, so you can get into that minimalist mode and just lose yourself in the writing. It's actually quite fun to have the music going and nothing but a completely black screen with dim yellow text to fuel the creative juices on a late night write-a-thon.
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What's the program you use for typewriter sounds? I have a keyboard with clacky keys already but I kind of would like to try your program out! :D
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It's calle qwertick.
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Use Scrivener and go for it, I reckon!
The Compose option (ie, full screen) will give you exactly what you want: a screen with NO distractions. You can also configure it to show you your word-count for the day, so that you can meet your daily NaNoWriMo target!
The fabulous thing about Scrivener is that you have everything relating to your story in one place. Characters, notes, outlines, research, setting descriptions, plus whatever you can think of. Mega-fabulous: being able to shuffle scenes around in the corkboard is awesome! Try doing THAT with word (or Pages if you use a Mac).
I can't write without it. Well, I could, but I'd rather not.
Cheers,
Stan
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How do you show word count on the full screen? Maybe it's a Mac-only feature at the moment, I couldn't figure it out. Thanks!
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Maybe it IS a Mac-only feature, but the word count (for the text) is displayed on the toolbar at the bottom in full screen mode (you have to move your mouse to the bottom of the screen to make it appear). The complete word count is only visible in the "Targets" or "Project Statistics", at least I haven't found it elsewhere. You can make the "Targets" visible in the fullscreen mode by clicking on "Project" --> "Show Project Targets". The little window pops up where you see the draft target (your total word count measured against your total word count goal, that's where you have to insert the 50k) and the session target (which gets set automatically if you enter a deadline in the options)
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couldn't edit - my description is for the Mac version, but I think the windows version is similar enough to find the features if you're looking for them (someone correct me if that's not true :-/ )
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Thanks! I was wondering because the poster said the full screen could be "configured" to show word count, so something more permanent than mousing over the bottom.. but maybe it's not possible.
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Shift Apple T (or Project->Show Project Targets) will bring up the project and session target window. This window will stay up in full window mode. I've been using Scrivener the last 3 nanos (and again on this fourth), and the project target window is motivating.
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Project Targets can be brought up in composition mode on the Mac but currently can't on Windows, so you can cheat around this by calling them up before you go into full screen and placing the floating window over to one side, then in FS adjust the background fade so you can see through to the project targets while you write. Document-specific word count is visible in the control panel at the bottom when you hover your mouse there or in the context menu if you select text and right-click.
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I too love Scrivener! 2009 was my first year in nanowrimo and I used their 30 day trial. Once I won that year I bought the program with the discount because I was soo impressed with it. I really don't think I would have made it to 50k without the application. Since their big update last year I have been utilizing the dropbox feature to move documents from Scrivener onto my iPad for editing. It has been a dream to use! I highly recommend it to anyone who writes.
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The iPad sync makes me so happy it's ridiculous. I heart Scrivener so freaking much. I've been using it since it came out for the Mac, and it makes my writing life so much easier.
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I used Scrivener last year and absolutely loved it. I've used it for all my writing projects now and can't imagine writing without it. It's a fantastic piece of software!
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I've been using the Windows and Linux beta's for a while now, and love them! I'm glad we're close to the Windows release, finally.
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This is the only program I will ever use! Everything is so well organized and in one place!
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Love Scrivener!! :) I write on my iPad, but sync back to my MacBook with Dropbox and organize/edit in Scrivener. Great application.
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I'm a longtime Scrivener user (on an MBP), but this is the first time I'll be integrating iPad syncing for on-the-go writing. Any suggestions for workflow management (or reference organization)?
I'm still on the hunt for a solid iPad app that can handle my research content and the draft itself.
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elixireleven,
I've also been seeking a decent app for my iPad and I've found one that looks promising and is supposed to play well with Scrivener: Notebooks by Alfons Schmid. There is also an app for the iPhone, and there are plans for a Mac version to be released later this year. I installed it today and I'm crossing my fingers.
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Sweet. Let me know how it works out for you.
I've been investigating Simplenote for the draft with Awesome Note for research, but Notebooks looks promising. (Not too thrilled with the GUI, but if it keeps my folders organized and synced neatly, I'm willing to compromise.)
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I used SimpleNote recently to write a 100-page pilot story. It worked out well, and syncing with Scriv was smooth:
Sync with SimpleNote
Evernote is great for research, but not nearly as distraction free writing as SimpleNote. It's unlikely I'll use SN for nano since Scrivener is so well suited me for the last 3 years thus far.
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I JUST found Scrivner. I haven't used it yet, but after going through the tutorial, I am SO excited to use it :D. SO much stuff to use, or so little. I'm glad they give you the choice, and it's not overwhelming and cramped. It's the coolest writing program I've found so far :D.
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Love it.
I can brain-dump everything into it and then sort it out later. And when I do sort (aka edit), it's like flowcharting and I don't have to cut and paste!
It's everything I wish I had had when I was writing my dissertation!
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Me, too. I would have killed for something like this when I was in grad school.
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I didn't start using Scrivener until after NaNo last year because I didn't want the trouble of learning a new program on top of doing the challenge, but after using it all this past year I am definitely looking forward to using it for NaNo this year. It's so easy to keep your manuscript organized.
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Is the 2011 NaNo trial available yet? The link in the Special Offers section keeps giving me a 404. :(
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It's not available yet. It's supposed to go up next week. You can go ahead and download the regular trial now though and give it a spin. It won't interfere when you download the NaNo trial next week. (Though I think you may have to uninstall the regular trial first prior to installing the NaNo version.)
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What is the difference between the regular trial version and the Nano trial version?
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The main one is that the regular trial version runs out on November 7.
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Actually, the regular trial version runs out after you open it on 30 separate days, (so if I have it open just once a week it'll last me 30 weeks).
The NaNo trial version has a specific time limit-- it runs out December 7th no matter when you download it. However, if you download it the first day it becomes available, you get about 44 days out of it, instead of 30.
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And it's set up with features that are going to be useful to Nano. I've got the regular version and have just downloaded the nano template. I haven't tried it yet but it looks like it will be good and it's great to have a nano specific template to work in.
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Thanks, everyone.
I've been using Scrivener over the past year, since the first Win beta appeared, and quite like it. Must look into the nano template though; haven't explored that yet!
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I wouldn't dream of using anything but Scrivener for NaNoWriMo. I love the full-screen mode, especially. I set it so I can still see my desktop background on either side (I always have it set for something inspiring) along with my timer program for sprints. :)
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I just bought Scrivener for Mac after doing the free trial and loving it. I even went through the entire tutorial, got really excited about what it could do, and then promptly forgot everything I read. :) I'll have to go through it again prior to November 1 because I'd hate to miss out on features that could be really helpful if only I knew they existed.
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First time using Scrivener this year for NaNo. I've only used it before to move and organize my last year's novel into a more manageable format. I'm really looking forward to using it!
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I tried the Scrivener for Windows beta last year and really liked it. The one thing that kind of gave me a hard time is that Scrivener counts hyphenated words (for example, "bright-colored") as 2 words while the NaNo word count validator only counts them as 1 word (the word count validator actually counts the *spaces* between the words). So you'll need to allow for this so you don't come up short in your word count at the end.
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I use it so much that I don't even bother with Microsoft Word anymore. I love Scrivener for every stage of writing.
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I started using the Scrivener beta for Windows last year. Loved it. Using it currently for planning. I will definitely purchase it when it's available.