So recently I've been getting the idea that some of my novel ideas are not for me; I'm not fit to write them (sounds like I feel like delegating the work; this thread is not about that, no).
First I tried writing a parallel world fantasy-reality comedy. It felt increasingly like my worlds were flat, drab and incomplete. So, after some three or four months I dropped it, had a break and moved on to a different thing.
This time it was - actually still kind of is - another parallel reality thing. It starts in our universe with a very violent event. The protagonist, who is a teenager, observes this violent event... and then the plot goes on; with many other strange and upsetting events for this teenager. So I got stuck, I think, not being able, or being tired of trying to get into his head. Right now I've almost no idea how he would feel after all this stuff has happened to him.
So I'm just starting to think I'm bad writer material - it seems I'm bad with constructing virtual worlds, with human psychology - and these things seem pretty important for a writer. I'd even go as far as to say that most successful writers I know off start with them as their fortes, and only have to work on language... er... other things.
I won't deny any opinions that it might be completely unrelated depression (in fact, I was diagnosed with it this year). Or that everybody works at these skills and that I have to, too. Or that I just need to step away for a bit (although I haven't actually touched the novel for a couple of weeks now). Or that my problems are very complex and it's natural that they should take long to work out (but it's depressing to not write anything meanwhile).
But I can't help thinking that I may not be cut out for writing. I guess I'm not asking for reassurances, but for realistic honest answers. Preferably with historic precedent. Like, a great writer started out with flat worlds lacking detail and equally flat characters and how long it took him to get to vivacity.
Also, suggestions as to what I should do as I'm obviously in no shape to continue on this novel. Writing prompts? Although I fail to see how they would help me with complex worlds and long-term emotional development of characters.
I guess for all I've just written, I can't say I'm ready to give up on writing. It's like an integral part of my life, even though I sometimes ignore it for pretty long periods of time. It's like a mode of thinking about myself - "I'm a writer". I mean it gives meaning to my life...
Well, that last bit might be redundant. Enough has been said about it... well, historically. I guess I felt like a lyrical digression.
Hey, same thing with me. I wrote an entire novel....162,000 or something word count. But when I re-read it, I realized how stupid the plot was and how dry the characters were. So I watched some old movies, asked my mom to tell me her life story and next thing I know I got a complex plotline and a sense of characters that can slowly develop over time. I think to write you just have to have an understanding of human nature to slowly develop characters to be how you want them. As for places, your imagination take you pretty far. I know in fantasy, we usually reflect off of the middle ages, but we can also use points from present day, if you're willing to explain it. That's how I got indoor pluming, and somewhat natural speak back into my book. It sounds cheesy now but it makes logical sense on paper. Then there's description. I'll admit, that'st the hardest part. You're afraid you're not able to capture whatever you're writing about perfectly. But take the Hunger Games as an example (no offense to the novel at all if anyone here is in love with it) that was a huge success and the best description you got from it was a golden horn in the center of a bread field...after that it was just back-refernces and a lot more to do with movement or what a character was thinking than the actual senses. If you're really worried about that, read the word of the day to dictionary.com and you're vocab will get way bigger. Read some classic novels and the style kind of brushes off on you. That kind of stuff can help. Besides, we're still young. If it doesn't work out, we always got that medical profession to fall back on.
Sorry to nitpick but I just can't feel like it's the same thing with someone who wrote 162,000 words. Those 3 or 4 months were barely enough for me to pull about ten times fewer out of myself. :0
Also, whoah! What medical profession? I've got no profession right now. And like I'm not even thinking about trying to have writing as my main vocation. Are you? Well, I guess you are, with 162k words. ;) I'm jealous, so what?
Well, first of all, I don't think you need a complete fantasy world to write a story. So what if the world that your characters live in is a drab place, covered in mud and fog, smelling of swamp waters and damp, rotting plants? It's their world and you must tell the story like that. What does your character hear? Smell? Does he/she get stung by bees and mosquitoes, bitten by fleas, shivered from when snow melted and trickled down his/her jacket?
Try changing the point of view for your characters. If your main character is in a first person, why not try rewriting it so that it is in a third person?
Most importantly, don't give up on writing. How long have you been writing? As for historic precedent, why don't you look back on one of your first pieces of writing and compare it to the last thing you've written? Congratulate yourself. You've improved from that time.
I consider myself to be self-apprenticing for writership for over 10 years. I'm afraid I destroyed my first pieces.
The fantasy world is not drab in literal sense. In fact, the fantasy world, in that sense in which I consider it drab, is a bit livelier than the reality. The real universe is less coherent with what I consider reality. You know, unintentionally. I'm afraid my characters don't get bitten by mosquitoes. I guess I kind of forgot that they existed (one of my major problems).
My character is in third person, but I want to have a consistent viewpoint, so I guess my mode is called third-person subjective.
Also, after a night of thought I came to an idea:
So, if writing is a learning process, and here attempted on my own, it is possible that I took on a challenge that is beyond my level. In this case it would seem reasonable that I should try to go back to a challenge of appropriate level. By that I mean restarting on a different story.
My argument against this is that accomplished writers don't seem to find writing easier from story to story. It could be that they continuously increase their challenge, although it doesn't seem like it.
Personally, I don't think writing will ever get "easier". I mean, it's like solving various *really* long math problems. You have to write it out (basic manual stuff), solve it (plot/fantasy world/characters/ect) and check it (editing and revising). You can't just skip things, so... It never get easier.
Don't quit. Every book is challenging in different ways! Don't quit just because it's hard. Even if you fail, you'll have learned something! :D
I don't... well, I'm not a mathematician, but I've written my fair share of long chemical equations... chains. From this point, I can say it gets easier in that you become more familiar with smaller steps and various regularities. I'd like to imagine it's the same with maths. Well, I guess when it comes to bigger picture it's not so simple. Yeah, and writing is not the same as science in that it usually shuns building on previous stuff (called copyright infringement). Except for sequels. I guess if I ever write anything sequel-worthy I'll stick to it like Terry Pratchett just to keep my sanity.
This might not relate to your post at all, BUT I'm in more or less the same position. Writing is just one of those things I have been doing on again off again throughout my life, except that when I was in fifth grade I didn't worry about things like plot point, character development etc. etc. It's only now, when I worry about those things, that I start doubting that I'm cut out for this at all. Which is a pointless thought because I'll keep trying and I'll keep doing Nano and Screnzy either way.
Sometimes I wonder if all the big writers started out with things like character sheets. Did Arthur Conan Doyle pretend-interview Sherlock Holmes and asked him what his favourite fruit was or for his shoe size? Maybe. I don't know. There might not even be a way of knowing, but I just can't picture it.
But I digress. I can't give you any advice. Obsession works for me, personally. Getting so obsessed with something I want to do something similar.
Thanks, I guess... :) Although if I had to do it again I would have still posted in Off Topic, because I just can't get past the fact that the section is titled "Life During NaNo" and it's like two months later.
Self-doubt, and writing fictional worlds and emotional development
So recently I've been getting the idea that some of my novel ideas are not for me; I'm not fit to write them (sounds like I feel like delegating the work; this thread is not about that, no).
First I tried writing a parallel world fantasy-reality comedy. It felt increasingly like my worlds were flat, drab and incomplete. So, after some three or four months I dropped it, had a break and moved on to a different thing.
This time it was - actually still kind of is - another parallel reality thing. It starts in our universe with a very violent event. The protagonist, who is a teenager, observes this violent event... and then the plot goes on; with many other strange and upsetting events for this teenager. So I got stuck, I think, not being able, or being tired of trying to get into his head. Right now I've almost no idea how he would feel after all this stuff has happened to him.
So I'm just starting to think I'm bad writer material - it seems I'm bad with constructing virtual worlds, with human psychology - and these things seem pretty important for a writer. I'd even go as far as to say that most successful writers I know off start with them as their fortes, and only have to work on language... er... other things.
I won't deny any opinions that it might be completely unrelated depression (in fact, I was diagnosed with it this year). Or that everybody works at these skills and that I have to, too. Or that I just need to step away for a bit (although I haven't actually touched the novel for a couple of weeks now). Or that my problems are very complex and it's natural that they should take long to work out (but it's depressing to not write anything meanwhile).
But I can't help thinking that I may not be cut out for writing. I guess I'm not asking for reassurances, but for realistic honest answers. Preferably with historic precedent. Like, a great writer started out with flat worlds lacking detail and equally flat characters and how long it took him to get to vivacity.
Also, suggestions as to what I should do as I'm obviously in no shape to continue on this novel. Writing prompts? Although I fail to see how they would help me with complex worlds and long-term emotional development of characters.
I guess for all I've just written, I can't say I'm ready to give up on writing. It's like an integral part of my life, even though I sometimes ignore it for pretty long periods of time. It's like a mode of thinking about myself - "I'm a writer". I mean it gives meaning to my life...
Well, that last bit might be redundant. Enough has been said about it... well, historically. I guess I felt like a lyrical digression.
Re: Self-doubt, and writing fictional worlds and emotional development
Hey, same thing with me. I wrote an entire novel....162,000 or something word count.
But when I re-read it, I realized how stupid the plot was and how dry the characters were. So I watched some old movies, asked my mom to tell me her life story and next thing I know I got a complex plotline and a sense of characters that can slowly develop over time. I think to write you just have to have an understanding of human nature to slowly develop characters to be how you want them.
As for places, your imagination take you pretty far. I know in fantasy, we usually reflect off of the middle ages, but we can also use points from present day, if you're willing to explain it. That's how I got indoor pluming, and somewhat natural speak back into my book. It sounds cheesy now but it makes logical sense on paper.
Then there's description. I'll admit, that'st the hardest part. You're afraid you're not able to capture whatever you're writing about perfectly. But take the Hunger Games as an example (no offense to the novel at all if anyone here is in love with it) that was a huge success and the best description you got from it was a golden horn in the center of a bread field...after that it was just back-refernces and a lot more to do with movement or what a character was thinking than the actual senses.
If you're really worried about that, read the word of the day to dictionary.com and you're vocab will get way bigger. Read some classic novels and the style kind of brushes off on you. That kind of stuff can help. Besides, we're still young. If it doesn't work out, we always got that medical profession to fall back on.
Re: Self-doubt, and writing fictional worlds and emotional development
Sorry to nitpick but I just can't feel like it's the same thing with someone who wrote 162,000 words. Those 3 or 4 months were barely enough for me to pull about ten times fewer out of myself. :0
Also, whoah! What medical profession? I've got no profession right now. And like I'm not even thinking about trying to have writing as my main vocation. Are you? Well, I guess you are, with 162k words. ;) I'm jealous, so what?
Re: Self-doubt, and writing fictional worlds and emotional development
Well, first of all, I don't think you need a complete fantasy world to write a story. So what if the world that your characters live in is a drab place, covered in mud and fog, smelling of swamp waters and damp, rotting plants? It's their world and you must tell the story like that. What does your character hear? Smell? Does he/she get stung by bees and mosquitoes, bitten by fleas, shivered from when snow melted and trickled down his/her jacket?
Try changing the point of view for your characters. If your main character is in a first person, why not try rewriting it so that it is in a third person?
Most importantly, don't give up on writing. How long have you been writing? As for historic precedent, why don't you look back on one of your first pieces of writing and compare it to the last thing you've written? Congratulate yourself. You've improved from that time.
Re: Self-doubt, and writing fictional worlds and emotional development
I consider myself to be self-apprenticing for writership for over 10 years. I'm afraid I destroyed my first pieces.
The fantasy world is not drab in literal sense. In fact, the fantasy world, in that sense in which I consider it drab, is a bit livelier than the reality. The real universe is less coherent with what I consider reality. You know, unintentionally. I'm afraid my characters don't get bitten by mosquitoes. I guess I kind of forgot that they existed (one of my major problems).
My character is in third person, but I want to have a consistent viewpoint, so I guess my mode is called third-person subjective.
Also, after a night of thought I came to an idea:
So, if writing is a learning process, and here attempted on my own, it is possible that I took on a challenge that is beyond my level. In this case it would seem reasonable that I should try to go back to a challenge of appropriate level. By that I mean restarting on a different story.
My argument against this is that accomplished writers don't seem to find writing easier from story to story. It could be that they continuously increase their challenge, although it doesn't seem like it.
Re: Self-doubt, and writing fictional worlds and emotional development
Personally, I don't think writing will ever get "easier". I mean, it's like solving various *really* long math problems. You have to write it out (basic manual stuff), solve it (plot/fantasy world/characters/ect) and check it (editing and revising). You can't just skip things, so... It never get easier.
Don't quit. Every book is challenging in different ways! Don't quit just because it's hard. Even if you fail, you'll have learned something! :D
Re: Self-doubt, and writing fictional worlds and emotional development
I don't... well, I'm not a mathematician, but I've written my fair share of long chemical equations... chains. From this point, I can say it gets easier in that you become more familiar with smaller steps and various regularities. I'd like to imagine it's the same with maths. Well, I guess when it comes to bigger picture it's not so simple. Yeah, and writing is not the same as science in that it usually shuns building on previous stuff (called copyright infringement). Except for sequels. I guess if I ever write anything sequel-worthy I'll stick to it like Terry Pratchett just to keep my sanity.
To sum it up, yes, I definitely agree. :)
If only I knew what you meant by "if you fail".
Re: Self-doubt, and writing fictional worlds and emotional development
This might not relate to your post at all, BUT I'm in more or less the same position. Writing is just one of those things I have been doing on again off again throughout my life, except that when I was in fifth grade I didn't worry about things like plot point, character development etc. etc. It's only now, when I worry about those things, that I start doubting that I'm cut out for this at all. Which is a pointless thought because I'll keep trying and I'll keep doing Nano and Screnzy either way.
Sometimes I wonder if all the big writers started out with things like character sheets. Did Arthur Conan Doyle pretend-interview Sherlock Holmes and asked him what his favourite fruit was or for his shoe size? Maybe. I don't know. There might not even be a way of knowing, but I just can't picture it.
But I digress. I can't give you any advice. Obsession works for me, personally. Getting so obsessed with something I want to do something similar.
Re: Self-doubt, and writing fictional worlds and emotional development
Moving to NaNoWriMo Ate My Soul (it's not off topic if it's about writing!)
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Thanks, I guess... :) Although if I had to do it again I would have still posted in Off Topic, because I just can't get past the fact that the section is titled "Life During NaNo" and it's like two months later.