I know the spirit of NaNoWriMo is writing a novel. A major part of that is never going back and deleting. If you hate it, make the font white or strikethrough. Or make it a dream sequence, but don't go back. I saw the Adopt an Angel section and thought it insane that you would never delete a single sentence (still do).
I this may be because a lot of people are struggling with reaching word counts and any word should be kept, but I don't see the point of disliking editing if you are ahead of schedule.
This is my first year in NaNoWriMo and I write a comfortable 2000 words per day for an expected novel of just over 60000 words by the end of the month. When I say I write 2000 words per day, I mean I have 2000 words up to my standard, written, re-written and edited and ready to hand out to people and say, "This is actually pretty good." I iron out all spelling, grammar errors and make structure and syntax worth reading. That's my definition of 'write', not just put down lots of sentences.
So the real question is, what's wrong with editing when you are ahead of schedule and just want to write to a high standard? I wouldn't be proud if I came out with a pile of trash that's very long. If I left all of the mistakes and bad sentences I wrote in, I'd probably be unable to read anything, much less edit it.
That sounds fine, but it also sounds like you have WAAAYY more time on your hands than most of us (i.e. 9-5 jobs, come home and it's time to do chores, sort out kids, eat dinner, go to bed).
I'm sure if you have time to edit on the fly, go for it. I think perhaps the suggestion is for those who would never meet the 50k if they kept going back and obsessively editing/re-editing.
IVIilitarus wrote: I wouldn't be proud if I came out with a pile of trash that's very long. If I left all of the mistakes and bad sentences I wrote in, I'd probably be unable to read anything, much less edit it.
This is EXACTLY how I have been feeling the last couple of days. I find sitting down to write a chore because I'm behind, but I'm behind because I don't like how this process is going! This is my..gosh..third attempt at this, and I have never finished. Never even came close. And what you said: "I wouldn't be proud if I came out with a pile of trash that's very long," is why I have never finished this challenge.
It is taking every fiber of my being to just put words on paper and let the rest go, simply because I want to finish...just to say that I have.
I agree, I think the Nano Model if you can call it that is well overdue for revision. For instance 50k novellas based on the decent novels by Orwell et all, OR proper Novel lengths of 100,000+ (which for the first time I am aiming for!!). I think that the emphasis on using fluff to expand texts is bad methodology. It is almost page filling rather than Novel Writing. I am participating, for the years I have not, the reason being is I think Nano encourages bad practice in writing. hence my theory that the Model should be revised-as a matter of urgency and be replaced by a lot more sane rational yet accomodating model to make room for the would be Literary Talent that lies in all of us.
Define what you think the NaNo Model is and what aspects would you change?
I suspect that some of the fluff you are talking about are the word padding things that people do to get their word count up to the 50K goal. Another part may be the permission to 'write crap' in the process of getting a completed first draft in thirty days. Then there is the 50K goal, which is fine for a novella, but way to short for standard novels.
Well I figure that you have to start somewhere. If you are a complete novice, just getting to 50K could be a big challenge. If you have written for a number of years, getting to 50K in thirty days could be a big challenge. If you are a perfectionist, 5K in less than a decade could be a challenge.
NaNoWriMo offers a chance to overcome those challenges in a group environment, with lots of people willing to help you overcome the challenges. I know it has helped me do more writing in the last year and a half than I did in several decades. It has also helped me overcome certain tendencies to write the 'fun' parts of a story and skip things like the beginning and end.
Perhaps NaNoWriMo could be where people start to develop the Literary Talent that lies in all of us, getting to the point they they feel good about what they do. Then they could go to the graduate course on more effective ways to work. (Or suggestions on the "lot more sane, rational yet accommodating model' you speak about.)
The minimum length for a novel isn't clearly defined. The Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America have 40,000 words as the cutoff to be a novel, while other sources go as high as 70,000 words to be a novel. 50,000 words puts it within accepted limits of being a novel. Publishers may want books to be longer, but that is a different issue than whether or not it is long enough to be a novel. Also, since it is a first draft, content can be added during editing, but you can't do anything with it if it doesn't get written in the first place.
RobertLent wrote: Also, since it is a first draft, content can be added during editing, but you can't do anything with it if it doesn't get written in the first place.
This is the critical part.
I seem to recall reading a blurb on why 50K was chosen as the NaNoWriMo target. It was tough enough to make one work, yet possible to do in 30 days for the normal person. It was also a decent starter length for a novel.
If you are lucky, and you're writing the the right audience, 50K would be the right length. Of course you better edit it before you send it out.
If you are not lucky, and 50K is too short, you'll have a good start on the higher number. You may even, if you are an overachiever, reach the length you need. (But you still better edit it before you send it out.)
I wonder what percentage of NaNoWriMo winners even intend on publishing their work? Some people have the mistaken impression that NaNoWriMo is about having a novel ready for publication in 30 days. Some people just are satisfied with getting a first draft. They did what they set out to do, and don't even bother to edit it, let alone publish it. Others will clean up their draft, and maybe they will publish, and maybe they won't. I don't know if I will bother to have my book published or not. I'm not intending a career as an author.
I've heard people claim that NaNoWriMo participants do not take it seriously and just stuff random words in to get to 50,000. But if that was true, then nearly all participants would reach 50,000. That so many do not reach 50,000 indicates that they are taking it seriously, because it would take about a minute to cut and paste words to reach 50,000. (I tried it, the word "banana" repeated 50,000 times. And no, I didn't use that for NaNoWriMo.
I've heard people claim that NaNoWriMo is an example of extreme narcissism. What they mean is that NaNoWriMo participants are "uppity", thinking that maybe they can write too.
RobertLent wrote: I wonder what percentage of NaNoWriMo winners even intend on publishing their work? Some people have the mistaken impression that NaNoWriMo is about having a novel ready for publication in 30 days. Some people just are satisfied with getting a first draft. They did what they set out to do, and don't even bother to edit it, let alone publish it. Others will clean up their draft, and maybe they will publish, and maybe they won't. I don't know if I will bother to have my book published or not. I'm not intending a career as an author.
Figure that it is more than zero percent and less than one hundred percent. (So I like padding my estimates...)
I do dread those people that think that NaNoWriMo is about getting a novel ready for publication in 30 days, especially if they are doing it. Some of them may be the source of anecdotal complains about editors receiving NaNo based first drafts.
I'm one of those that intend to be a published author, though not a career one. But for now, the goal is to polish my skills and complete a few stories. (I'll go career IF I somehow make a few million due to movie options or the like.)
RobertLent wrote: I've heard people claim that NaNoWriMo participants do not take it seriously and just stuff random words in to get to 50,000. But if that was true, then nearly all participants would reach 50,000. That so many do not reach 50,000 indicates that they are taking it seriously, because it would take about a minute to cut and paste words to reach 50,000. (I tried it, the word "banana" repeated 50,000 times. And no, I didn't use that for NaNoWriMo.
I'd love to get some of those NaNoWriMo detractors to make a claim that ALL NaNoWriMo participants do that. I would then show them my hand written NaNoWriMo pages, complete with dates and the times started. That would show them that at least one person doesn't do it. They would then have to eat their words. (A warning to detractors. Be careful of how you phrase things. Words and logic can bite.)
You do have to admit that some NaNoWriMo participants use various word padding techniques to get to 50K. And, given the large number of NaNoWriMo participants, you are likely to find a few that DO stuff in random words to get to the word count. But claiming that they are a representative sample of the entire population would require actual statistics, which would be hard to get.
RobertLent wrote: I've heard people claim that NaNoWriMo is an example of extreme narcissism. What they mean is that NaNoWriMo participants are "uppity", thinking that maybe they can write too.
You could always ask people like this about the 'proper' qualifications for being a writer. If they talk about years of training and MFAs, mention that their definition means that well known novelists like Charles Dickens and Jane Austen are NOT authors.
For what it's worth, my agent says that 75,000-80,000 is the bare minimum major publishers will consider for an adult novel.
I agree that writing shlock for shlock's sake isn't really worth my time and effort yet, I found the first time I did NaNo, it gave me the freedom to just write. I didn't worry so much about the finished product, but just went with it. However, I did try to do my best and as a result that book has been accepted by an agent without requiring massive rewrites (thus far!).
I see nothing wrong with doing your best as long as it doesn't impede you moving ahead. So many people get caught up in editing their work they bog down. One of NaNo's goals is to get past that particular roadblock. Certainly there are people who simply try to cram as many words as they can into their novel without any real consideration for what it means for the story, but I think the majority do try and attempt something worthwhile.
Most of all, I think NaNo give us an opportunity to try new things. Experiment with our writing. Some people may decide writing isn't really their thing where others may discover they have a real talent. Some, like me, found it to be the incentive to fulfill a dream!
RobertLent wrote: The minimum length for a novel isn't clearly defined. The Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America have 40,000 words as the cutoff to be a novel, while other sources go as high as 70,000 words to be a novel. 50,000 words puts it within accepted limits of being a novel. Publishers may want books to be longer, but that is a different issue than whether or not it is long enough to be a novel. Also, since it is a first draft, content can be added during editing, but you can't do anything with it if it doesn't get written in the first place.
I agree with Robert, get the thing written then edit. I do some quick on the run editing so my flow isn't interrupted. With my health issues I had to push to get the word count right, delighted with a lot of what I wrote, so now I can take my time and re-write and edit properly so ending up with far higher quality over the longer term. My flow produced some really good stuff!!
Generalist wrote: Define what you think the NaNo Model is and what aspects would you change?
I suspect that some of the fluff you are talking about are the word padding things that people do to get their word count up to the 50K goal. Another part may be the permission to 'write crap' in the process of getting a completed first draft in thirty days. Then there is the 50K goal, which is fine for a novella, but way to short for standard novels.
Well I figure that you have to start somewhere. If you are a complete novice, just getting to 50K could be a big challenge. If you have written for a number of years, getting to 50K in thirty days could be a big challenge. If you are a perfectionist, 5K in less than a decade could be a challenge. Unnecessary Fluff Exercises, filling out the text in a way that goes against the spirit of characterisation. Aim for a proper length that is more normal Novel length ie 100,000 words than 50,000 words which I think is wildly faulty and misrepresentative of the novels being sold in the big wide world out there. (I would rather aim for standard length text than Novella length text as I think it is normal if harder model to accomplish in real life). The Communal goals of Nanowrimo are to be applauded but would a Month be long enough to accomplish say a 100,000 standard novel length attempt at a first Draft? That is 16k words day! well beyond the abilities of all but seasoned professionals IMHO who are used to writing in vast qauntities. Use other Literary Books to guide instead of cling ferociously to 'No Plot No Problenm' which can be an acceptable part of the Make up. My example is Clare Boylan 'the Agony and the Ego' Writers tricks ( you have whatever trick you have in order to write, one doesn't necessarily require a wacking great big clumsy viking helmet on ones head and peoples accoutrements could easily be shown on Social networking websites). Dorothea Brand 'On Becoming a Writer' This woman advocates writing first thing on rising and writing anything, that way stuff comes out. It's putting up with rubbish that one learns to edit along with way without editing because writing for a certain amount of time every day is a great discipline. She also rightly tells us about rightly the faults of would be novelists the one novel wonder etc. All worthy and worthy of total commendation. Editing comes in later with modelling on novelists you like so her model includes Editing. Nothing missing here. Teach Yourself how to write a Block buster. Good hints and tips. Rollo May The Courage to create. 'create through despair' hey this guy I have hardly read -yet looks as if he has important things to say. No Plot no problem for guidance on nano project which as you can see from above I contend needs revising on more sound literary grounds, but grounds that makes it easy entry to newcomers any one to write a Novella, then graduate onto proper Novel drafts of 100k more. I defend this revision. I have been put off years of participating in Nano because of what I see is a frightfully deficient model which does not help the Nano's cause.
NaNoWriMo offers a chance to overcome those challenges in a group environment, with lots of people willing to help you overcome the challenges. I know it has helped me do more writing in the last year and a half than I did in several decades. It has also helped me overcome certain tendencies to write the 'fun' parts of a story and skip things like the beginning and end.
Perhaps NaNoWriMo could be where people start to develop the Literary Talent that lies in all of us, getting to the point they they feel good about what they do. Then they could go to the graduate course on more effective ways to work. (Or suggestions on the "lot more sane, rational yet accommodating model' you speak about.)
(Pardon the parsing, but I do like some clarity in posting. I think a variation of the following is what you were trying for.)
Generalist wrote: Define what you think the NaNo Model is and what aspects would you change?
I suspect that some of the fluff you are talking about are the word padding things that people do to get their word count up to the 50K goal. Another part may be the permission to 'write crap' in the process of getting a completed first draft in thirty days. Then there is the 50K goal, which is fine for a novella, but way to short for standard novels.
Well I figure that you have to start somewhere. If you are a complete novice, just getting to 50K could be a big challenge. If you have written for a number of years, getting to 50K in thirty days could be a big challenge. If you are a perfectionist, 5K in less than a decade could be a challenge.
originalgradk wrote: Unnecessary Fluff Exercises, filling out the text in a way that goes against the spirit of characterisation.
Fair enough. Some people use them because they get stuck and are getting behind on their word count. Other people, like me, ignore them because they don't need the fluff.
In some instances, the fluff exercises can be a kick starting technique to get the creative engines running again.
originalgradk wrote: Aim for a proper length that is more normal Novel length ie 100,000 words than 50,000 words which I think is wildly faulty and misrepresentative of the novels being sold in the big wide world out there. (I would rather aim for standard length text than Novella length text as I think it is normal if harder model to accomplish in real life).
The Communal goals of Nanowrimo are to be applauded but would a Month be long enough to accomplish say a 100,000 standard novel length attempt at a first Draft? That is 16k words day! well beyond the abilities of all but seasoned professionals IMHO who are used to writing in vast qauntities.
Actually, it is 'only' about 3,334 words a day. If the NaNo Minimum is 1,667 over thirty days to get to 50K, you double that to get to 100K.
I'm trying for that number this year because that is the minimum it will take to write the story I'm writing. Given how it is relative to the Phase Outline, it is likely to go longer. I'll then have to trim it down or polish it to the point that it is acceptable at a longer length. (It is SF. The genre tends to go long.)
originalgradk wrote: Use other Literary Books to guide instead of cling ferociously to 'No Plot No Problenm' which can be an acceptable part of the Make up.
My example is Clare Boylan 'the Agony and the Ego' Writers tricks ( you have whatever trick you have in order to write, one doesn't necessarily require a wacking great big clumsy viking helmet on ones head and peoples accoutrements could easily be shown on Social networking websites).
This sounds like an interesting book, though I haven't encountered it before. Since it is a collection of essays, I suspect that it might have included Chris Baty if it had been edited/published in 2004 as opposed to 1994.
Reading about the history of NaNoWriMo, the Viking helmet trick was one that the creator of NaNoWriMo came up with that works for him when dealing with certain writing problems. It is far enough over the top that people may consider doing lesser things to handle similar problems. It is a small, but very up front solution to the art and strategy of fiction writing. (Being 'bigger than life' it attracts attention.)
originalgradk wrote: Dorothea Brand 'On Becoming a Writer' This woman advocates writing first thing on rising and writing anything, that way stuff comes out. It's putting up with rubbish that one learns to edit along with way without editing because writing for a certain amount of time every day is a great discipline.
She also rightly tells us about rightly the faults of would be novelists the one novel wonder etc. All worthy and worthy of total commendation. Editing comes in later with modelling on novelists you like so her model includes Editing. Nothing missing here.
The 'write first thing on rising' technique, with additions, sounds a lot like Julia Cameron's Morning Pages, from "The Artists Way." It is useful for dealing with creative block.
The 'putting up with rubbish' part fits both NaNoWriMo's 'write crap' aspect and Cameron's 'permission to make mistakes' aspect. All three recognize that you can't start out being perfect. Through the discipline of writing daily, or doing something like the Morning Pages (Writing daily, for a different reason), or hunkering down and writing 50K plus words in a month, you learn.
originalgradk wrote: Teach Yourself how to write a Block buster. Good hints and tips.
I may have this in my library of writing books, or something like it. I'll have to read it again.
originalgradk wrote: Rollo May The Courage to create. 'create through despair' hey this guy I have hardly read -yet looks as if he has important things to say.
Does the 'create through despair' refer to using despair as a source for creativity or are you trying to handle despair by being creative? I can see how both could work.
I seem to recall that Julia Cameron, the author of the Artists Way series of books, has touched on similar topics.
originalgradk wrote: No Plot no problem for guidance on nano project which as you can see from above I contend needs revising on more sound literary grounds, but grounds that makes it easy entry to newcomers any one to write a Novella, then graduate onto proper Novel drafts of 100k more.
I defend this revision. I have been put off years of participating in Nano because of what I see is a frightfully deficient model which does not help the Nano's cause.
From what I've read of the book, it is a short, task specific tome aimed at helping people through NaNoWriMo. Based on several years of experience, it has a lot of useful information on writing in general. I get the feeling that the "No Plot? No Problem!" title is more to get the attention of people than to describe the contents of the book. The secondary title, "A Low-Stress, High-Velocity Guide to Writing a Novel in 30 Days" is more descriptive of the book. (I'll have to read the book from cover to cover to find the 'No Plot? No Problem!' details, other than in the area where pantsers versus plotters are concerned. It isn't obvious while skimming.)
Generalist wrote: NaNoWriMo offers a chance to overcome those challenges in a group environment, with lots of people willing to help you overcome the challenges. I know it has helped me do more writing in the last year and a half than I did in several decades. It has also helped me overcome certain tendencies to write the 'fun' parts of a story and skip things like the beginning and end.
Perhaps NaNoWriMo could be where people start to develop the Literary Talent that lies in all of us, getting to the point they they feel good about what they do. Then they could go to the graduate course on more effective ways to work. (Or suggestions on the "lot more sane, rational yet accommodating model' you speak about.)
Generalist wrote: Define what you think the NaNo Model is and what aspects would you change?
I'll define it as "Writing 50,000 word novel AND achieving your writing goal."
So for most of us writing banana 50000 times is not our goal, so you won't write it. If your looking for a book that approaches publishable, you will not write fluff. But if your like me and just see NaNoWriMo as a brainstorm/outline for a plot, then fluff all you want, you might get some nice ideas through it.
Most people, I think, are more looking to prove to themselves they can write a novel and haveing that novel a jumping board for future editing/rewriting. So they won't mind a bit of fluff or such, as long as it's not excessive.
Because as soon as you add in the goal part to the model, it instantly implies Guilt Monkeys™, which will get you if you start straying from your goal. So as long as humans still have consciences, nobody's gonna not be happy. Except the cheaters. And those Nano Rebels. But the rebels are special.
Please don't forget that a lot of people are not here to get published, but to have have fun. If you have more ambitious goals than, for example, "I want to write a book-length story, rather than something shorter than 1000 words", good for you, but throwing out a lot of participants because they are "not serious enough" or something like that seems against the spirit of NaNo to me.
I think you're right about changes.I think maybe there should be two competitions, this one and one for people who need a little more or feel some of the allowances are, in a way cheating. I take writing very seriously and one day hope to be a published author but i find fitting writing into my day isn't alway possble. Then, there's the problem of being too scared to make the mark on the page incase it's a load of rubbish. I think if this was changed, many people would be put off.
I don't believe in all these tips/tricks and padding to make the word count but i do think being 'allowed' to just write knowing it doesn't have to be good, makes it so much easier. Although, i haven't caught up to the deadline, i'm finding this method so much easier and more importantly... fun after the stress, frustration and lack of sleep that comes with editing countless drafts of the novel i've been working on for the past 18months. NANO has reminded me why i want to be an author. It's about the love of writing and the need for telling a story.
If people want to fill their 50k with crap, let them, at the end of the day i wouldn't feel honest telling people i'd completed the challenge knowing it was just about filling tthe word quota, we all could type up 50k of babble. However, some people who do this may come out of it wanting to take writing more seriously and gained/learned something from the experience, i certainly have. I know this 50k(for me anyway) will take a lot of work to make it into a 'real' draft but it will be worth it. To be given that starting point, in itself is priceless.
If you don't want to take the allowances, don't. I use good spelling and grammar, and try to write as well as I can given the time constraint. The accepting standards are meant to encourage beginners, not demand that more confident writers pad for the sake of padding. Just because I choose not to use dream sequences, rambling characters, and other tangents doesn't mean others can't.
originalgradk wrote: I agree, I think the Nano Model if you can call it that is well overdue for revision. For instance 50k novellas based on the decent novels by Orwell et all, OR proper Novel lengths of 100,000+ (which for the first time I am aiming for!!). I think that the emphasis on using fluff to expand texts is bad methodology. It is almost page filling rather than Novel Writing. I am participating, for the years I have not, the reason being is I think Nano encourages bad practice in writing. hence my theory that the Model should be revised-as a matter of urgency and be replaced by a lot more sane rational yet accomodating model to make room for the would be Literary Talent that lies in all of us.
I have to disagree here. I find that the "NaNo Model" is flexible enough to work for a very wide range of people. If you are able to edit to any degree as you go and still get the words down for the day, more power to you. If you find that 50k isn't enough of a challenge, nobody's stopping you from writing more than that.
It is inevitable (or at least I think it is) that over time as people return for multiple years will get better over time, or people who are just better at writing from the get-go join in. They have the ability to tailor it to make it a challenge for the level at which they find themselves. They go for faster completion, more words, better quality or some combination of the three. I think all of this would probably fall under the "over-achievers" category, for which there's a forum. The fact of the matter is that regardless of how many years they have under their belt participating, no matter how much their writing has improved, there will always be people coming in to take their place on the bottom rungs of the ladder, so that lower word count and the option of not writing perfect prose in 30 days needs to remain there for them to cut their teeth upon.
And as far as the "no editing rule," I think that's less about spelling and more about staying away from the major revisions (whatever they may be for each individual). If I misspell something in the past few sentences I fix it because that is a pet peeve that I can indulge without it affecting my output. How prolific I am with my word count really has to do with how well the story is flowing for me. Last year I hit 50k with a full week to spare and added only 6k more because I didn't go back to finish the story until the last day or two. This year I'm 4k behind as of today because I'm just not hitting that stride that I found with last year's story.
Franz Kafka wrote the Metamorphosis in less than a month. It's probably half of what the NaNoWriMo standards are. A fantastic novella.
There is a huge market for short novellas. People want to change it up with shorter books (that are great pieces of lit) they can read on a plane or when they have some time off and want to get through a book.
Essentially, I'm not sure that I agree with "Proper" novel length proposition. Still wish the best of luck to you as do I for all the people who are trying to meet the 50,000 word goal.
Is it an emphasis on low quality or an emphasis on getting the ideas down do that you have something to edit?
I hand write and do a certain amount of editing as the words go from mind to paper. The sentences and paragraphs are readable on a sentence by sentence and paragraph by paragraph basis. They are not highly polished, but they read well. I'm not trying for perfection at this level.
When I transcribe, I make minor corrections and additions, but I do not go back and rewrite. I KNOW that if I rewrite to fit an evolving story, I'll have to rewrite it again as the story evolves further. It is much more effective to wait until the story is done and tweak the results. Odds are there are sections that would be rewritten dozens of times if I did it on the fly.
It does take a certain amount of compromise with the Inner Editor. But I've worked out that compromise.
There are others, however, that haven't come to a compromise with their Inner Editors. They have to ignore the Inner Editor in order to get the ideas down, otherwise they are unlikely to get past the first sentence, much less the first 5K words in a month. They have to have 'permission' to write 'crap' in order to get past the Inner Editor and get the words down for the first draft.
If you want a non NaNoWriMo reference for this, check out Julia Cameron's "The Artists Way." It is a very well known book, published in 1992. Towards the end of one of the chapters is a suggestion for a sign that recovering creatives, including writers, should have. The sign would say “Great Creator, I will take care of the quantity. You take care of the quality.”
I completely agree, if it wasn't for the simple words that I've written on a piece a paper to the side, I wouldn't have gotten to as far as I have so far. Currently a bit over half way, but it was all thanks to a lot of writing on paper, and looking back and going from one or two words to continue the overall story.
I don't edit as I go even if Inner Editor is thinking there is a million things wrong with my novel. Just getting damn thing written is key thing and winning preferably with a 90,000-100.000 k draft than 50k but 50k + if all else fails!
We may be dealing with different definitions of 'editing as you go.'
Mine involves slowing down enough that I can create reasonably coherent sentences and paragraphs as I write. If I go stream of consciousness, I can get ideas down faster, but the sentences tend to be a lot less coherent.
At the same time I realize that there are a million or more things wrong with the story but I do not go back and edit what I've written because it is highly likely that there will be a million and twenty thousand things wrong after the next scene, even with revisions.
There is nothing wrong with just writing for sake of writing just to write for the exercise, but aiming for a normal size draft for preference, or Novella just to get started.
I don't think anyone would say there's something "wrong" with editing as you go, if that's not a problem for you. Personally, I find it useful to stop editing/critiquing as much as possible so that I can get the words down. It would be nigh impossible for me to work like you are able to. Maybe some other year, when I am less stressed or more practiced, but for now I'm happy that I've found a tool that let me write 16000 words in the last week. And I just might finish a whole draft of a novel by the end of the month. Never did that before. :)
Oh, thank goodness it's not just me! This is my first Nano - I've previously only written short stories and am finding it a real struggle to fill out my chapters. I'm just about up to 30,000 now and my plot is used up and I'm now starting a Part 2. But I'm trying to write a 'decent yarn' even though I have no intentions of trying to get it published. For my own satisfaction, I need it to be something I can feel good about. And, yes, I edit minor things as I go - but I haven't been back through, doing a thorough edit - YET - I imagine, if I've time, that I will go through and tidy up when I've finished though - and before I claim I've done! I think it all depends on your motives for doing this, your 'perfectionism quotient' and how much time you have.
I whole-heartily agree with you on this, I've been editing as I go and I haven't been falling behind. If I don't like something, I delete it and re-write it!
Would be nice to comfortably write 2,000 words per day. I envy that. I manage between 500-1000 (if I'm lucky). Maybe I need to build a shack in my backyard and write in there. Like Roald Dahl. Don't come out until I'm done.
I don't allow anything to stay that's not to my standards, either. I understand the reasoning behind it, especially for people trying to squeeze in novelling time, but one of the things I pride myself on is fairly clean copy on the first go 'round, and that necessitates thinking things through before I commit them to paper. Or screen, rather; writing on paper hurts my hands.
I'm in total agreeance. I only put out my best work - even as I go. I actually get pretty annoyed at the whole "You don't need to write well! No plot, no problem!" philosophy of NaNoWriMo. I think you should always be writing well, or at least to the best of your ability. I'm kind of OCD/anal-retentive (snobbish?) about writing/grammar, etc.
I'm with those who also have a life, who took on this challenge anyway to the despair of their patiently suffering families. There are so many opinions as to what is "right" to write. Fifty thousand words--novel, novella, SF, "my agent says", edit as you go along, etc etc. For those who are really concerned with artistic output and publish-ready books, don't forget there are eleven other months. You can do whatever you want, to whatever level of quality. I did for my other book "Sailor on Ice: Tom Crean" out this June, fifteen years in the making.
I did "Frozen Heart" for NaNoWriMo 2011 because I knew if I didn't get the danged thing written in a hurry, it would be another fifteen years. The result is a first draft of which I am immensely proud. It has any number of structural flaws, one of the more obvious being that I shifted from past tense to present about 2/3 way through. Oh, and Eleanor was 8 in Chapter 12 and 22 in Chapter 19. I could have gone back and fixed these. I could have made this whole thing right as I went along. Would have missed the deadline, my colorful certificate.
But the real loss would have been not watching my characters grow and intrigue and make totally unexpected turns that give the story its compelling drive to (in my humble view) a perfect conclusion, because I was intent on making the s----y first draft perfect as I went along. And sucking the life out of the STORY as I did.
In my case, the emphasis on speed actually raised the quality.
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But the real loss would have been not watching my characters grow and intrigue and make totally unexpected turns that give the story its compelling drive to (in my humble view) a perfect conclusion, because I was intent on making the s----y first draft perfect as I went along. And sucking the life out of the STORY as I did.
I think that would be up to you. With a full time job and a family, I don't get to start writing until at least half 7 to 8 at night, and producing 2,000 words a day is hard, without being able to edit, polish etc. on top. I guess it's for people like me to say don't worry too much, just get it done and edit after. If you have the time free, then I'd say it was up to you what you do. :)
I agree. I edit as I go, then ever four chapters go back and do another edit. but then, I hit 15 thousand on day one. I'm writing a novel I've planned for and I want it to be good. Even last year, I edited my book as I wet, and I wasn't ahead. I still have minor errors (comma's) but the structure and story is good.
It isn't about low quality. It isn't even about not editing. It's about editing later (as in not during November!) I can understand editing while you go, but for a lot of people if they start to do that they panic. Sometimes they delete the good stuff. But I think the main reason the emphasis on not editing during November is to prevent thinking "Oh my God, this is total crap! I hate it! What was I thinking?" Then lots of people give up.
I'm on 34k via not going back and nitpicking as I do with all my normal novels. XD I've written some REALLY bad sentences in this novel, but they're staying, at least until NaNo is over and I rewrite the entire thing. I've still got the proof copy of my NaNo 2010 novel, which I got printed with only the typos removed, not any of the bad writing, so I can rewrite it when I'm ready. The aim here is to splurge your story out and then sort it out later. It's not your finished novel - it's the skeleton of your novel, a big mess that you can sort out later. ;) Don't think "MUST EDIT!" - just think, "This can all be sorted out and made pretty later." :D
I'm finding the NaNo way of writing really hard. I used to work as a sub-editor and I find it so difficult not to edit as I go. As I'm only on 7,400 words though I've got to change my ways otherwise I'll never do it. It'll look strange as I've got 28 pages of correct spelling and grammar and all of a sudden it's going to go to pot!
I think you can edit your spelling mistakes, but just not rereading and editing anything you consider crap. I guess. I can't stop myself from changing spelling mistakes either xD.
Luna54 wrote: I'm finding the NaNo way of writing really hard. I used to work as a sub-editor and I find it so difficult not to edit as I go. As I'm only on 7,400 words though I've got to change my ways otherwise I'll never do it. It'll look strange as I've got 28 pages of correct spelling and grammar and all of a sudden it's going to go to pot!
I would just BE YOURSELF!!! it is your handiworks not Nanowrimos, interpret it as you see fit it is First Draft time after all (says she who is struggling with it but determined to do it). Your work is too important to sacrifice to an unworthy model.
I edit as the words go from mind to paper, but then I hand write. What I put down on paper is reasonably readable on a sentence by sentence and paragraph by paragraph basis. It isn't perfect but I have too many ideas that need to be put on paper before I go back and try for perfection.
At the same time, when I find discrepancies in what I've written because the story evolves, I do NOT go back and rewrite. Odds are, additional story evolution would force me to rewrite the rewritten rewrites repeatedly.
You have to come to a balance with your Inner Editor. Mine makes sure that the initial words are readable, but knows that corrections will need to be made once the first draft is done. My Inner Editor deals with that because, once the first draft is done, EVERYTHING that has been written can be edited.
My word count, hand writing, is in the 21K realm after eight days. I marked the ink cartridge of the pen I'm using and have managed to consume a little over three inches of ink in three and a half days. I would have consumed more if I had focused on my writing a bit more during the weekend.
I do some minor editing, mostly spelling and capitalization, but beside that I try not to edit at all. I figure I'll go back after I've finished and just go through the whole thing again. What help me too is that I plan what I'm going to write the next day before I go to bed. It helps me type it out and I do a lot of editing in my head instead of on the computer when I'm typing.
I think that "don't ever edit, just get the draft out!" is mostly for the benefit of people who don't get anywhere because they edit too much. Spending months and years with planning, starting the first chapter, going back and rewriting things because it's not PERFECT yet, writing another chapter or two, getting a new idea that would need a change in chapter one, going back to the start and rewriting and editing and worrying that it's not the best it could be yet. And they never reach the last chapter, because the worrying and editing and revamping bogs them down until they give up.
If that kind of thing is what keeps you from ever finishing a story, the emphasis on "it's a rough first draft, do NOT edit, do not ever edit before you finish the first draft, just write it even if it's crap" can help.
During the kickoff meeting for our local NaNoWriMo group, the leaders handed out containers of Play-Doh and had people create icons of their Inner Editors. They then had people describe their icon and how they planned on keeping their Inner Editor under control.
I did a bit of Play-Doh decoration but kept it in the container. My explanation was that I had my Inner Editor trained to do a certain amount of editing as long as the word flow wasn't stopped. When asked how I did it, I mentioned 'experience' and training in things like brainstorming and the design spiral.
If you can keep ahead of pace it's totally fine. Since I'm posting my story online as I go, of course I'll at least squeeze a little editing in. The problem is getting 50000+ words of perfection the first time is nigh impossible. Moreover, editing that is plot related (as opposed to spelling, grammar, etc.) is not the easiest to do prior to having the rest of your plot written. Odds are you'll make a change only to find out that either a whole chain of changes are needed or that later, when you have more written, the scene you just fixed will need fixing again anyway. So editing as you go isn't bad, but editing stuff you wrote days before is just going to dig you a hole.
The "ban" on editing is really more about those major edits than edits on the fly.
Because for me, when I don't think to much about making it as good as possible I can write faster. Then once November's over, I can take as long as I want to edit and rewrite.
zanitas wrote: Because for me, when I don't think to much about making it as good as possible I can write faster. Then once November's over, I can take as long as I want to edit and rewrite.
There are a lot of things that you just can't edit until you have a full draft.
Of course you can go through and proofread and fix minor grammatical, typographical and syntactical errors. But that doesn't mean your draft will be ready for its debut.
Even proofed and touched up in minor ways... I still wouldn't consider a scene ready to handover to someone to read until I've done a real editing pass after the whole novel is written. You can really discover a lot about your story when writing a novel and sometimes something you write in the middle will make something you wrote in the beginning incorrect or incomplete. Sometimes something at the end of the story will require you to make some pretty big changes in the middle. Which is why editing as you go can be kind of pointless, you know?
You can perfect your first few chapters as you go, but what happens when they need a massive overhaul after you've finished and changed some things around about your plot and characters?
I think this is a really good point. Sentences and paragraphs - I proofread/edit my writing at that level, almost subconsciously, while I'm going (for me, literally as I write the sentence, because I don't like going through and rereading whole stretches of text). But one of the biggest things I do after I 'finish' the story is look at the whole story scene-by-scene, and move whole scenes and whole chapters around to where they'd make better sense in the overall plot.
I don't plan my stories beyond a vague idea of the beginning and end, so I often have subplots I've introduced at the very end that need to start at the beginning or in the middle, or I change the main character's background in order to make the finale work but that means I've got to change it all through the rest of the story as well.
I think I write pretty good *sentences* - which in my very first NaNo story was a huge problem for me, because I kept rereading my beautiful sentences and editing them to perfection - which of course guaranteed that when it was time to chop the entire scene, I just couldn't do it. I think editing as you go to a certain extent makes you think 'okay, this section is *done* - I'll never have to edit it again'. Sure you can overcome that, but it's a lot easier to make big edits when you haven't slaved away making the small edits perfect.
Some people need the freedom to be able to write complete and utter nonsense. It's the only way they can let go of the pressure to make everything perfect the first time around (which, honestly, isn't possible for 99% of people anyway).
It also means being able to keep in things that may not be relevant to the plot later on. For instance, right now I have about 1500 words of explaining my character and world because it decided to change on me all of a sudden. That won't be going into the final story, but it is helpful to getting a sense of direction. Same with the small scenes from my character's past that play into how he responds to things within the plot. Some people need that ability to change things on the fly (especially the 'by the seat of your pants' group) without worrying about losing word count.
I'm in Floit63's camp. This is my first NaNo, and while I think that what I'm writing is mostly crap, I'm really proud of myself for sticking with it and writing so much. I'm very critical, and to be able to let loose and write fluidly without stopping has been absolutely liberating. But, I only have about 1.5 hours per day to work on it, so it will all remain as-is until December. It really has been an amazing experience so far. So great to turn off that inner critic!!
For me, I have a really hard time sitting down to write. The first few sentences of a chapter or scene are always terrible because I have set myself up against an outrageous bar of perfection. I believe that the introduction to new ideas has to radiate awesome and it can be down right paralyzing. I appreciate the sentiment that I can edit those shaky sentences later, after November. Otherwise I sit there, writing and re-writing the first handful of sentences until I give up. Its what has led me to writing screenplays, poetry, even short stories, before touching a novel. Less ideas, less stopping and starting. It's an entirely frustrating process.
For me, this NaNo is about getting out an idea I've carried around for ages. If I hate it after November, I hate it. But unless I assimilate those words, put that story in some sort of order, I will never have anything to polish into gleaming awesomeness.
My problem: I sit down to write, and I have the pen to the paper, and I think "Now, this scene is going to happen, but I just realized that I don't know exactly what this character's motivation is for that part." And I get locked up and writer's block central. Nanowrimo is about telling that inner critic to shut up for a while so you can get the words down. In December, you go through and read it, and if there are inconsistencies like that, you can then iron them out and have all the time you need to think up why someone would do something like that. But in the meantime, Nano is there to motivate you to get it down.
I agree with what some of the other posters have said: it's not a rule so much as it is a piece of advice for the more easily-discouraged among us. It's also not about low quality; it's about high quantity, regardless of quality.
Personally, I almost never restructure a sentence once it's down on the page and is older than half a minute or so. The syntax, punctuation, and spelling is universally either correct the first time or intentionally rule-breaking. Of course, I'll later recognize contextual disjunctions between my sentences, which bear semantic editing. So do weak sentences or sections of my writing which could benefit from additional ideas, new inspiration, or the like. I have been known to return to a story many months later and overhaul it, but if any sentence takes me longer than five seconds to fix, I'm probably not editing it so much as scrapping it and starting over. All of this means that the time that I spend editing is short and front-loaded into my first draft, while the time that I spend properly rewriting is long and heavily weighted towards the end of the process. Hence, my NaNo doesn't suffer from edititis, though it's entirely possible I'll come back to it at the end of December and realize it was generally garbage. Syntactically, lexically perfect garbage.
Most people have different writing styles, though, and one of the most disheartening feelings is that you'll never be able to move on until it's perfect, and it'll never be perfect because you don't know how to make it so. For people who suffer from this particular malady, a refusal to perform initial edits may work wonders. Once you know the whole story, you'll know which words to use, which rules to follow, and which rules to break. Don't sweat it at the outset.
Nothing's wrong with what you're doing. If I did it, though, well...I'd wind up with yet another exposition for a novel sitting in my "Writing Projects" folder, feeling totally fed up with it and all the editing I'd done on it, never getting past character descriptions.
This is the first time I've managed to get into the meat of a novel, and it's because I'm writing without looking back. It's working for me, even if it doesn't necessarily work for everyone.
I find it silly as well. I'm a college kid striving for medical school; I might as well have a 9-5 job. It's not that I have tons of time to do this, I just work hard about 2 hours out of the day, usually after nightfall when I should be sleeping. I edit. Most of my sentences are well-thought out and I even visit thesaurus.com occasionally. GASP! What am I doing?! My novel isn't a complete pile of crap! Oh... that's not a bad thing.
If you absolutely are stressed for time and you're having trouble meeting your daily goals, only then should you adopt a rule so silly as "NO BCKSPC."
Personally, I have a 9-5 (which is more like 8 -6 for most people) and two young children. I have a total of about three hours a day that are not occupied with other responsibility. I also have other things to get done (cleaning, shopping, exercising, cooking . . . ). I can use all my time to write and edit, thus hating this experience and risk not finishing, or I can do something rough and dirty. I opt for the latter. Also, I know that my process only starts moving once I have a completed draft. If you front load your editing, good for you. Neither approach guarantees high quality.
I think the great thing about nano is...it's not that hardass. There are many "rebels", and if you're someone that needs to spend more time editing than writing, go for it.
Personally, I haven't been writing prose. In a long time. I stepped away from it to take a stab at screenwriting and got stuck there. Having the freedom to fully remember what it is about prose writing that made me fall in love with it the first place...the twists I didn't expect, the way my characters surprise me time and I again when I forget about editing and perfect sentences and just let them take the wheel and do the talking...that's what excites me about nano, and that's why I actually think writing low quality (or as I put it "my quest to write 50,000 words of crap"), has been a lifesaver to me. But that's just one success story--everyone just needs to write in a way they feel that'll benefit them most, even if that means putting themselves out of their comfort zones. Good luck!
I find that if I think about what I'm writing too hard, it'll stop flowing and then I'll just sit and stare at the white screen for the whole month. Now I've written tons of school papers I always had the same problem with drafts-- couldn't ever get the words out unless I was pressed up against the deadline and desperate. Things should come out perfect the first time, with little tweaking, or not at all. Not a good thing when a paper is due in about six hours because you're too scared that it'll be crap and you had a week's worth of anxiety to work on it. It wasn't that I didn't know what to write, it was how to write it.
NaNoWriMo is the complete opposite of my academic experience. You have a tight deadline but no one is going to grade you on the final product(until you get a chance to edit it properly, that is). It's a release from all the times when you are forced to turn in a paper that you know could do better on because you just ran out of time. Not everybody does the novel-in-a-month thing because they want to be published or read or by their peers (even posthumously!). Sometimes it's just catharsis with a shiny certificate and a purple bar. If there was an official National Paint a Picture a Day Month, I would be doing that. It's just that writing is a little easier to keep track of progress on.
Also it's about writing 50k words. My first nano I did 23k and that was the most I had ever written for one novel in my life. It was a major accmoplishment. I got bored with other novels and would start something new... or the excitment of starting a new idea made me want to start a new one. So I never got too far. When you've never written 23k or let alone 50k you need to give up on the high quality, second or thrid draft novel writing and just write. Finishing a novel my thrid year made me feel GREAT.
And like others have said. I don't have a lot of time for writing. Then editing the same day. But that's me.
People vary too much for general rules to apply to everybody when it comes to a voluntary activity.
Look at the pantser versus plotter discussions. While they are somewhat polarized, if you look at the details, it is actually a spectrum. At one extreme, you have the pantsers that only have a vague ideal of what they are writing about when they start, but are able to come up with a good start on things with the first draft. At the other extreme, you have plotters who have EVERYTHING neatly defined when they start and are able to come up with a good first draft. And in between, there are pantsers who do some plotting and plotters who don't go into a huge amount of detail when they are plotting.
I edit as I go. I don't like to just write crap, so I end up deleting paragraphs, and rewriting them. I know it needs more editing at the end of the month, but I don't quit for the day if I'm not pleased with what I've written.
I'm in this camp too. To each their own technique, but I find that if I really dislike what I wrote earlier, it creates drag on future progress -- like a headwind. Fixing or scrapping weak material is energizing and I move ahead faster after that.
Why the Emphasis on Low Quality?
I know the spirit of NaNoWriMo is writing a novel. A major part of that is never going back and deleting. If you hate it, make the font white or strikethrough. Or make it a dream sequence, but don't go back. I saw the Adopt an Angel section and thought it insane that you would never delete a single sentence (still do).
I this may be because a lot of people are struggling with reaching word counts and any word should be kept, but I don't see the point of disliking editing if you are ahead of schedule.
This is my first year in NaNoWriMo and I write a comfortable 2000 words per day for an expected novel of just over 60000 words by the end of the month. When I say I write 2000 words per day, I mean I have 2000 words up to my standard, written, re-written and edited and ready to hand out to people and say, "This is actually pretty good." I iron out all spelling, grammar errors and make structure and syntax worth reading. That's my definition of 'write', not just put down lots of sentences.
So the real question is, what's wrong with editing when you are ahead of schedule and just want to write to a high standard? I wouldn't be proud if I came out with a pile of trash that's very long. If I left all of the mistakes and bad sentences I wrote in, I'd probably be unable to read anything, much less edit it.
Any thoughts? Arguments? Agreements?
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That sounds fine, but it also sounds like you have WAAAYY more time on your hands than most of us (i.e. 9-5 jobs, come home and it's time to do chores, sort out kids, eat dinner, go to bed).
I'm sure if you have time to edit on the fly, go for it. I think perhaps the suggestion is for those who would never meet the 50k if they kept going back and obsessively editing/re-editing.
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This is EXACTLY how I have been feeling the last couple of days. I find sitting down to write a chore because I'm behind, but I'm behind because I don't like how this process is going!
This is my..gosh..third attempt at this, and I have never finished. Never even came close. And what you said: "I wouldn't be proud if I came out with a pile of trash that's very long," is why I have never finished this challenge.
It is taking every fiber of my being to just put words on paper and let the rest go, simply because I want to finish...just to say that I have.
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I agree, I think the Nano Model if you can call it that is well overdue for revision. For instance 50k novellas based on the decent novels by Orwell et all, OR proper Novel lengths of 100,000+ (which for the first time I am aiming for!!). I think that the emphasis on using fluff to expand texts is bad methodology. It is almost page filling rather than Novel Writing.
I am participating, for the years I have not, the reason being is I think Nano encourages bad practice in writing. hence my theory that the Model should be revised-as a matter of urgency and be replaced by a lot more sane rational yet accomodating model to make room for the would be Literary Talent that lies in all of us.
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Define what you think the NaNo Model is and what aspects would you change?
I suspect that some of the fluff you are talking about are the word padding things that people do to get their word count up to the 50K goal. Another part may be the permission to 'write crap' in the process of getting a completed first draft in thirty days. Then there is the 50K goal, which is fine for a novella, but way to short for standard novels.
Well I figure that you have to start somewhere. If you are a complete novice, just getting to 50K could be a big challenge. If you have written for a number of years, getting to 50K in thirty days could be a big challenge. If you are a perfectionist, 5K in less than a decade could be a challenge.
NaNoWriMo offers a chance to overcome those challenges in a group environment, with lots of people willing to help you overcome the challenges. I know it has helped me do more writing in the last year and a half than I did in several decades. It has also helped me overcome certain tendencies to write the 'fun' parts of a story and skip things like the beginning and end.
Perhaps NaNoWriMo could be where people start to develop the Literary Talent that lies in all of us, getting to the point they they feel good about what they do. Then they could go to the graduate course on more effective ways to work. (Or suggestions on the "lot more sane, rational yet accommodating model' you speak about.)
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The minimum length for a novel isn't clearly defined. The Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America have 40,000 words as the cutoff to be a novel, while other sources go as high as 70,000 words to be a novel. 50,000 words puts it within accepted limits of being a novel. Publishers may want books to be longer, but that is a different issue than whether or not it is long enough to be a novel. Also, since it is a first draft, content can be added during editing, but you can't do anything with it if it doesn't get written in the first place.
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This is the critical part.
I seem to recall reading a blurb on why 50K was chosen as the NaNoWriMo target. It was tough enough to make one work, yet possible to do in 30 days for the normal person. It was also a decent starter length for a novel.
If you are lucky, and you're writing the the right audience, 50K would be the right length. Of course you better edit it before you send it out.
If you are not lucky, and 50K is too short, you'll have a good start on the higher number. You may even, if you are an overachiever, reach the length you need. (But you still better edit it before you send it out.)
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I wonder what percentage of NaNoWriMo winners even intend on publishing their work? Some people have the mistaken impression that NaNoWriMo is about having a novel ready for publication in 30 days. Some people just are satisfied with getting a first draft. They did what they set out to do, and don't even bother to edit it, let alone publish it. Others will clean up their draft, and maybe they will publish, and maybe they won't. I don't know if I will bother to have my book published or not. I'm not intending a career as an author.
I've heard people claim that NaNoWriMo participants do not take it seriously and just stuff random words in to get to 50,000. But if that was true, then nearly all participants would reach 50,000. That so many do not reach 50,000 indicates that they are taking it seriously, because it would take about a minute to cut and paste words to reach 50,000. (I tried it, the word "banana" repeated 50,000 times. And no, I didn't use that for NaNoWriMo.
I've heard people claim that NaNoWriMo is an example of extreme narcissism. What they mean is that NaNoWriMo participants are "uppity", thinking that maybe they can write too.
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Figure that it is more than zero percent and less than one hundred percent. (So I like padding my estimates...)
I do dread those people that think that NaNoWriMo is about getting a novel ready for publication in 30 days, especially if they are doing it. Some of them may be the source of anecdotal complains about editors receiving NaNo based first drafts.
I'm one of those that intend to be a published author, though not a career one. But for now, the goal is to polish my skills and complete a few stories. (I'll go career IF I somehow make a few million due to movie options or the like.)
I'd love to get some of those NaNoWriMo detractors to make a claim that ALL NaNoWriMo participants do that. I would then show them my hand written NaNoWriMo pages, complete with dates and the times started. That would show them that at least one person doesn't do it. They would then have to eat their words. (A warning to detractors. Be careful of how you phrase things. Words and logic can bite.)
You do have to admit that some NaNoWriMo participants use various word padding techniques to get to 50K. And, given the large number of NaNoWriMo participants, you are likely to find a few that DO stuff in random words to get to the word count. But claiming that they are a representative sample of the entire population would require actual statistics, which would be hard to get.
You could always ask people like this about the 'proper' qualifications for being a writer. If they talk about years of training and MFAs, mention that their definition means that well known novelists like Charles Dickens and Jane Austen are NOT authors.
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For what it's worth, my agent says that 75,000-80,000 is the bare minimum major publishers will consider for an adult novel.
I agree that writing shlock for shlock's sake isn't really worth my time and effort yet, I found the first time I did NaNo, it gave me the freedom to just write. I didn't worry so much about the finished product, but just went with it. However, I did try to do my best and as a result that book has been accepted by an agent without requiring massive rewrites (thus far!).
I see nothing wrong with doing your best as long as it doesn't impede you moving ahead. So many people get caught up in editing their work they bog down. One of NaNo's goals is to get past that particular roadblock. Certainly there are people who simply try to cram as many words as they can into their novel without any real consideration for what it means for the story, but I think the majority do try and attempt something worthwhile.
Most of all, I think NaNo give us an opportunity to try new things. Experiment with our writing. Some people may decide writing isn't really their thing where others may discover they have a real talent. Some, like me, found it to be the incentive to fulfill a dream!
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I agree with Robert, get the thing written then edit. I do some quick on the run editing so my flow isn't interrupted. With my health issues I had to push to get the word count right, delighted with a lot of what I wrote, so now I can take my time and re-write and edit properly so ending up with far higher quality over the longer term. My flow produced some really good stuff!!
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(Pardon the parsing, but I do like some clarity in posting. I think a variation of the following is what you were trying for.)
Fair enough. Some people use them because they get stuck and are getting behind on their word count. Other people, like me, ignore them because they don't need the fluff.
In some instances, the fluff exercises can be a kick starting technique to get the creative engines running again.
Actually, it is 'only' about 3,334 words a day. If the NaNo Minimum is 1,667 over thirty days to get to 50K, you double that to get to 100K.
I'm trying for that number this year because that is the minimum it will take to write the story I'm writing. Given how it is relative to the Phase Outline, it is likely to go longer. I'll then have to trim it down or polish it to the point that it is acceptable at a longer length. (It is SF. The genre tends to go long.)
This sounds like an interesting book, though I haven't encountered it before. Since it is a collection of essays, I suspect that it might have included Chris Baty if it had been edited/published in 2004 as opposed to 1994.
Reading about the history of NaNoWriMo, the Viking helmet trick was one that the creator of NaNoWriMo came up with that works for him when dealing with certain writing problems. It is far enough over the top that people may consider doing lesser things to handle similar problems. It is a small, but very up front solution to the art and strategy of fiction writing. (Being 'bigger than life' it attracts attention.)
The 'write first thing on rising' technique, with additions, sounds a lot like Julia Cameron's Morning Pages, from "The Artists Way." It is useful for dealing with creative block.
The 'putting up with rubbish' part fits both NaNoWriMo's 'write crap' aspect and Cameron's 'permission to make mistakes' aspect. All three recognize that you can't start out being perfect. Through the discipline of writing daily, or doing something like the Morning Pages (Writing daily, for a different reason), or hunkering down and writing 50K plus words in a month, you learn.
I may have this in my library of writing books, or something like it. I'll have to read it again.
Does the 'create through despair' refer to using despair as a source for creativity or are you trying to handle despair by being creative? I can see how both could work.
I seem to recall that Julia Cameron, the author of the Artists Way series of books, has touched on similar topics.
From what I've read of the book, it is a short, task specific tome aimed at helping people through NaNoWriMo. Based on several years of experience, it has a lot of useful information on writing in general. I get the feeling that the "No Plot? No Problem!" title is more to get the attention of people than to describe the contents of the book. The secondary title, "A Low-Stress, High-Velocity Guide to Writing a Novel in 30 Days" is more descriptive of the book. (I'll have to read the book from cover to cover to find the 'No Plot? No Problem!' details, other than in the area where pantsers versus plotters are concerned. It isn't obvious while skimming.)
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I'll define it as "Writing 50,000 word novel AND achieving your writing goal."
So for most of us writing banana 50000 times is not our goal, so you won't write it. If your looking for a book that approaches publishable, you will not write fluff. But if your like me and just see NaNoWriMo as a brainstorm/outline for a plot, then fluff all you want, you might get some nice ideas through it.
Most people, I think, are more looking to prove to themselves they can write a novel and haveing that novel a jumping board for future editing/rewriting. So they won't mind a bit of fluff or such, as long as it's not excessive.
Because as soon as you add in the goal part to the model, it instantly implies Guilt Monkeys™, which will get you if you start straying from your goal. So as long as humans still have consciences, nobody's gonna not be happy.
Except the cheaters. And those Nano Rebels. But the rebels are special.
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Please don't forget that a lot of people are not here to get published, but to have have fun. If you have more ambitious goals than, for example, "I want to write a book-length story, rather than something shorter than 1000 words", good for you, but throwing out a lot of participants because they are "not serious enough" or something like that seems against the spirit of NaNo to me.
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Yes, this. My NaNo this year is a Mary Sue fanfic that no one must ever see but me.
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I am writing the exact same thing. D:
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Awesome :) I wrote Mary Sue original fic last year. Best time I ever had writing. Love the story, despite all it's flaws :)
NaNo means different things to different people. NaNo needs no 'revision, it just needs people to take from it what they need and enjoy the ride :)
Jaz
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here here
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I think you're right about changes.I think maybe there should be two competitions, this one and one for people who need a little more or feel some of the allowances are, in a way cheating. I take writing very seriously and one day hope to be a published author but i find fitting writing into my day isn't alway possble. Then, there's the problem of being too scared to make the mark on the page incase it's a load of rubbish. I think if this was changed, many people would be put off.
I don't believe in all these tips/tricks and padding to make the word count but i do think being 'allowed' to just write knowing it doesn't have to be good, makes it so much easier. Although, i haven't caught up to the deadline, i'm finding this method so much easier and more importantly... fun after the stress, frustration and lack of sleep that comes with editing countless drafts of the novel i've been working on for the past 18months. NANO has reminded me why i want to be an author. It's about the love of writing and the need for telling a story.
If people want to fill their 50k with crap, let them, at the end of the day i wouldn't feel honest telling people i'd completed the challenge knowing it was just about filling tthe word quota, we all could type up 50k of babble. However, some people who do this may come out of it wanting to take writing more seriously and gained/learned something from the experience, i certainly have. I know this 50k(for me anyway) will take a lot of work to make it into a 'real' draft but it will be worth it. To be given that starting point, in itself is priceless.
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If you don't want to take the allowances, don't. I use good spelling and grammar, and try to write as well as I can given the time constraint. The accepting standards are meant to encourage beginners, not demand that more confident writers pad for the sake of padding. Just because I choose not to use dream sequences, rambling characters, and other tangents doesn't mean others can't.
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If you want NaNoWriMo to be something other than what it is, you are certainly free to start your own organization.
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I second this.
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hahahaha
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I have to disagree here. I find that the "NaNo Model" is flexible enough to work for a very wide range of people. If you are able to edit to any degree as you go and still get the words down for the day, more power to you. If you find that 50k isn't enough of a challenge, nobody's stopping you from writing more than that.
It is inevitable (or at least I think it is) that over time as people return for multiple years will get better over time, or people who are just better at writing from the get-go join in. They have the ability to tailor it to make it a challenge for the level at which they find themselves. They go for faster completion, more words, better quality or some combination of the three. I think all of this would probably fall under the "over-achievers" category, for which there's a forum. The fact of the matter is that regardless of how many years they have under their belt participating, no matter how much their writing has improved, there will always be people coming in to take their place on the bottom rungs of the ladder, so that lower word count and the option of not writing perfect prose in 30 days needs to remain there for them to cut their teeth upon.
And as far as the "no editing rule," I think that's less about spelling and more about staying away from the major revisions (whatever they may be for each individual). If I misspell something in the past few sentences I fix it because that is a pet peeve that I can indulge without it affecting my output. How prolific I am with my word count really has to do with how well the story is flowing for me. Last year I hit 50k with a full week to spare and added only 6k more because I didn't go back to finish the story until the last day or two. This year I'm 4k behind as of today because I'm just not hitting that stride that I found with last year's story.
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Franz Kafka wrote the Metamorphosis in less than a month. It's probably half of what the NaNoWriMo standards are. A fantastic novella.
There is a huge market for short novellas. People want to change it up with shorter books (that are great pieces of lit) they can read on a plane or when they have some time off and want to get through a book.
Essentially, I'm not sure that I agree with "Proper" novel length proposition. Still wish the best of luck to you as do I for all the people who are trying to meet the 50,000 word goal.
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Is it an emphasis on low quality or an emphasis on getting the ideas down do that you have something to edit?
I hand write and do a certain amount of editing as the words go from mind to paper. The sentences and paragraphs are readable on a sentence by sentence and paragraph by paragraph basis. They are not highly polished, but they read well. I'm not trying for perfection at this level.
When I transcribe, I make minor corrections and additions, but I do not go back and rewrite. I KNOW that if I rewrite to fit an evolving story, I'll have to rewrite it again as the story evolves further. It is much more effective to wait until the story is done and tweak the results. Odds are there are sections that would be rewritten dozens of times if I did it on the fly.
It does take a certain amount of compromise with the Inner Editor. But I've worked out that compromise.
There are others, however, that haven't come to a compromise with their Inner Editors. They have to ignore the Inner Editor in order to get the ideas down, otherwise they are unlikely to get past the first sentence, much less the first 5K words in a month. They have to have 'permission' to write 'crap' in order to get past the Inner Editor and get the words down for the first draft.
If you want a non NaNoWriMo reference for this, check out Julia Cameron's "The Artists Way." It is a very well known book, published in 1992. Towards the end of one of the chapters is a suggestion for a sign that recovering creatives, including writers, should have. The sign would say “Great Creator, I will take care of the quantity. You take care of the quality.”
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I completely agree, if it wasn't for the simple words that I've written on a piece a paper to the side, I wouldn't have gotten to as far as I have so far. Currently a bit over half way, but it was all thanks to a lot of writing on paper, and looking back and going from one or two words to continue the overall story.
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I don't edit as I go even if Inner Editor is thinking there is a million things wrong with my novel. Just getting damn thing written is key thing and winning preferably with a 90,000-100.000 k draft than 50k but 50k + if all else fails!
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We may be dealing with different definitions of 'editing as you go.'
Mine involves slowing down enough that I can create reasonably coherent sentences and paragraphs as I write. If I go stream of consciousness, I can get ideas down faster, but the sentences tend to be a lot less coherent.
At the same time I realize that there are a million or more things wrong with the story but I do not go back and edit what I've written because it is highly likely that there will be a million and twenty thousand things wrong after the next scene, even with revisions.
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There is nothing wrong with just writing for sake of writing just to write for the exercise, but aiming for a normal size draft for preference, or Novella just to get started.
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I don't think anyone would say there's something "wrong" with editing as you go, if that's not a problem for you. Personally, I find it useful to stop editing/critiquing as much as possible so that I can get the words down. It would be nigh impossible for me to work like you are able to. Maybe some other year, when I am less stressed or more practiced, but for now I'm happy that I've found a tool that let me write 16000 words in the last week. And I just might finish a whole draft of a novel by the end of the month. Never did that before. :)
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Oh, thank goodness it's not just me!
This is my first Nano - I've previously only written short stories and am finding it a real struggle to fill out my chapters. I'm just about up to 30,000 now and my plot is used up and I'm now starting a Part 2. But I'm trying to write a 'decent yarn' even though I have no intentions of trying to get it published. For my own satisfaction, I need it to be something I can feel good about. And, yes, I edit minor things as I go - but I haven't been back through, doing a thorough edit - YET - I imagine, if I've time, that I will go through and tidy up when I've finished though - and before I claim I've done!
I think it all depends on your motives for doing this, your 'perfectionism quotient' and how much time you have.
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I whole-heartily agree with you on this, I've been editing as I go and I haven't been falling behind. If I don't like something, I delete it and re-write it!
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Would be nice to comfortably write 2,000 words per day. I envy that. I manage between 500-1000 (if I'm lucky). Maybe I need to build a shack in my backyard and write in there. Like Roald Dahl. Don't come out until I'm done.
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I don't allow anything to stay that's not to my standards, either. I understand the reasoning behind it, especially for people trying to squeeze in novelling time, but one of the things I pride myself on is fairly clean copy on the first go 'round, and that necessitates thinking things through before I commit them to paper. Or screen, rather; writing on paper hurts my hands.
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I'm in total agreeance. I only put out my best work - even as I go. I actually get pretty annoyed at the whole "You don't need to write well! No plot, no problem!" philosophy of NaNoWriMo. I think you should always be writing well, or at least to the best of your ability. I'm kind of OCD/anal-retentive (snobbish?) about writing/grammar, etc.
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I'm with those who also have a life, who took on this challenge anyway to the despair of their patiently suffering families. There are so many opinions as to what is "right" to write. Fifty thousand words--novel, novella, SF, "my agent says", edit as you go along, etc etc. For those who are really concerned with artistic output and publish-ready books, don't forget there are eleven other months. You can do whatever you want, to whatever level of quality. I did for my other book "Sailor on Ice: Tom Crean" out this June, fifteen years in the making.
I did "Frozen Heart" for NaNoWriMo 2011 because I knew if I didn't get the danged thing written in a hurry, it would be another fifteen years. The result is a first draft of which I am immensely proud. It has any number of structural flaws, one of the more obvious being that I shifted from past tense to present about 2/3 way through. Oh, and Eleanor was 8 in Chapter 12 and 22 in Chapter 19. I could have gone back and fixed these. I could have made this whole thing right as I went along. Would have missed the deadline, my colorful certificate.
But the real loss would have been not watching my characters grow and intrigue and make totally unexpected turns that give the story its compelling drive to (in my humble view) a perfect conclusion, because I was intent on making the s----y first draft perfect as I went along. And sucking the life out of the STORY as I did.
In my case, the emphasis on speed actually raised the quality.
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>This.
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Totally agree. I love the wild, subconscious writing of it.
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I think that would be up to you. With a full time job and a family, I don't get to start writing until at least half 7 to 8 at night, and producing 2,000 words a day is hard, without being able to edit, polish etc. on top. I guess it's for people like me to say don't worry too much, just get it done and edit after. If you have the time free, then I'd say it was up to you what you do. :)
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I agree. I edit as I go, then ever four chapters go back and do another edit. but then, I hit 15 thousand on day one. I'm writing a novel I've planned for and I want it to be good. Even last year, I edited my book as I wet, and I wasn't ahead. I still have minor errors (comma's) but the structure and story is good.
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It isn't about low quality. It isn't even about not editing. It's about editing later (as in not during November!) I can understand editing while you go, but for a lot of people if they start to do that they panic. Sometimes they delete the good stuff. But I think the main reason the emphasis on not editing during November is to prevent thinking "Oh my God, this is total crap! I hate it! What was I thinking?" Then lots of people give up.
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Spot on!!
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Exactly!
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I'm on 34k via not going back and nitpicking as I do with all my normal novels. XD I've written some REALLY bad sentences in this novel, but they're staying, at least until NaNo is over and I rewrite the entire thing. I've still got the proof copy of my NaNo 2010 novel, which I got printed with only the typos removed, not any of the bad writing, so I can rewrite it when I'm ready. The aim here is to splurge your story out and then sort it out later. It's not your finished novel - it's the skeleton of your novel, a big mess that you can sort out later. ;) Don't think "MUST EDIT!" - just think, "This can all be sorted out and made pretty later." :D
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I'm finding the NaNo way of writing really hard. I used to work as a sub-editor and I find it so difficult not to edit as I go. As I'm only on 7,400 words though I've got to change my ways otherwise I'll never do it. It'll look strange as I've got 28 pages of correct spelling and grammar and all of a sudden it's going to go to pot!
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I think you can edit your spelling mistakes, but just not rereading and editing anything you consider crap. I guess. I can't stop myself from changing spelling mistakes either xD.
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I would just BE YOURSELF!!! it is your handiworks not Nanowrimos, interpret it as you see fit it is First Draft time after all (says she who is struggling with it but determined to do it). Your work is too important to sacrifice to an unworthy model.
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I edit as the words go from mind to paper, but then I hand write. What I put down on paper is reasonably readable on a sentence by sentence and paragraph by paragraph basis. It isn't perfect but I have too many ideas that need to be put on paper before I go back and try for perfection.
At the same time, when I find discrepancies in what I've written because the story evolves, I do NOT go back and rewrite. Odds are, additional story evolution would force me to rewrite the rewritten rewrites repeatedly.
You have to come to a balance with your Inner Editor. Mine makes sure that the initial words are readable, but knows that corrections will need to be made once the first draft is done. My Inner Editor deals with that because, once the first draft is done, EVERYTHING that has been written can be edited.
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PS
My word count, hand writing, is in the 21K realm after eight days. I marked the ink cartridge of the pen I'm using and have managed to consume a little over three inches of ink in three and a half days. I would have consumed more if I had focused on my writing a bit more during the weekend.
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I do some minor editing, mostly spelling and capitalization, but beside that I try not to edit at all. I figure I'll go back after I've finished and just go through the whole thing again. What help me too is that I plan what I'm going to write the next day before I go to bed. It helps me type it out and I do a lot of editing in my head instead of on the computer when I'm typing.
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I think that "don't ever edit, just get the draft out!" is mostly for the benefit of people who don't get anywhere because they edit too much. Spending months and years with planning, starting the first chapter, going back and rewriting things because it's not PERFECT yet, writing another chapter or two, getting a new idea that would need a change in chapter one, going back to the start and rewriting and editing and worrying that it's not the best it could be yet. And they never reach the last chapter, because the worrying and editing and revamping bogs them down until they give up.
If that kind of thing is what keeps you from ever finishing a story, the emphasis on "it's a rough first draft, do NOT edit, do not ever edit before you finish the first draft, just write it even if it's crap" can help.
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This is the key here. Or one of the keys.
During the kickoff meeting for our local NaNoWriMo group, the leaders handed out containers of Play-Doh and had people create icons of their Inner Editors. They then had people describe their icon and how they planned on keeping their Inner Editor under control.
I did a bit of Play-Doh decoration but kept it in the container. My explanation was that I had my Inner Editor trained to do a certain amount of editing as long as the word flow wasn't stopped. When asked how I did it, I mentioned 'experience' and training in things like brainstorming and the design spiral.
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If you can keep ahead of pace it's totally fine. Since I'm posting my story online as I go, of course I'll at least squeeze a little editing in. The problem is getting 50000+ words of perfection the first time is nigh impossible. Moreover, editing that is plot related (as opposed to spelling, grammar, etc.) is not the easiest to do prior to having the rest of your plot written. Odds are you'll make a change only to find out that either a whole chain of changes are needed or that later, when you have more written, the scene you just fixed will need fixing again anyway. So editing as you go isn't bad, but editing stuff you wrote days before is just going to dig you a hole.
The "ban" on editing is really more about those major edits than edits on the fly.
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Because for me, when I don't think to much about making it as good as possible I can write faster. Then once November's over, I can take as long as I want to edit and rewrite.
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Again spot on
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There are a lot of things that you just can't edit until you have a full draft.
Of course you can go through and proofread and fix minor grammatical, typographical and syntactical errors. But that doesn't mean your draft will be ready for its debut.
Even proofed and touched up in minor ways... I still wouldn't consider a scene ready to handover to someone to read until I've done a real editing pass after the whole novel is written. You can really discover a lot about your story when writing a novel and sometimes something you write in the middle will make something you wrote in the beginning incorrect or incomplete. Sometimes something at the end of the story will require you to make some pretty big changes in the middle. Which is why editing as you go can be kind of pointless, you know?
You can perfect your first few chapters as you go, but what happens when they need a massive overhaul after you've finished and changed some things around about your plot and characters?
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I think this is a really good point. Sentences and paragraphs - I proofread/edit my writing at that level, almost subconsciously, while I'm going (for me, literally as I write the sentence, because I don't like going through and rereading whole stretches of text). But one of the biggest things I do after I 'finish' the story is look at the whole story scene-by-scene, and move whole scenes and whole chapters around to where they'd make better sense in the overall plot.
I don't plan my stories beyond a vague idea of the beginning and end, so I often have subplots I've introduced at the very end that need to start at the beginning or in the middle, or I change the main character's background in order to make the finale work but that means I've got to change it all through the rest of the story as well.
I think I write pretty good *sentences* - which in my very first NaNo story was a huge problem for me, because I kept rereading my beautiful sentences and editing them to perfection - which of course guaranteed that when it was time to chop the entire scene, I just couldn't do it. I think editing as you go to a certain extent makes you think 'okay, this section is *done* - I'll never have to edit it again'. Sure you can overcome that, but it's a lot easier to make big edits when you haven't slaved away making the small edits perfect.
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Some people need the freedom to be able to write complete and utter nonsense. It's the only way they can let go of the pressure to make everything perfect the first time around (which, honestly, isn't possible for 99% of people anyway).
It also means being able to keep in things that may not be relevant to the plot later on. For instance, right now I have about 1500 words of explaining my character and world because it decided to change on me all of a sudden. That won't be going into the final story, but it is helpful to getting a sense of direction. Same with the small scenes from my character's past that play into how he responds to things within the plot. Some people need that ability to change things on the fly (especially the 'by the seat of your pants' group) without worrying about losing word count.
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I'm in Floit63's camp. This is my first NaNo, and while I think that what I'm writing is mostly crap, I'm really proud of myself for sticking with it and writing so much. I'm very critical, and to be able to let loose and write fluidly without stopping has been absolutely liberating. But, I only have about 1.5 hours per day to work on it, so it will all remain as-is until December. It really has been an amazing experience so far. So great to turn off that inner critic!!
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For me, I have a really hard time sitting down to write. The first few sentences of a chapter or scene are always terrible because I have set myself up against an outrageous bar of perfection. I believe that the introduction to new ideas has to radiate awesome and it can be down right paralyzing. I appreciate the sentiment that I can edit those shaky sentences later, after November. Otherwise I sit there, writing and re-writing the first handful of sentences until I give up. Its what has led me to writing screenplays, poetry, even short stories, before touching a novel. Less ideas, less stopping and starting. It's an entirely frustrating process.
For me, this NaNo is about getting out an idea I've carried around for ages. If I hate it after November, I hate it. But unless I assimilate those words, put that story in some sort of order, I will never have anything to polish into gleaming awesomeness.
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Well done!!! You did it
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My problem: I sit down to write, and I have the pen to the paper, and I think "Now, this scene is going to happen, but I just realized that I don't know exactly what this character's motivation is for that part." And I get locked up and writer's block central. Nanowrimo is about telling that inner critic to shut up for a while so you can get the words down. In December, you go through and read it, and if there are inconsistencies like that, you can then iron them out and have all the time you need to think up why someone would do something like that. But in the meantime, Nano is there to motivate you to get it down.
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I agree with what some of the other posters have said: it's not a rule so much as it is a piece of advice for the more easily-discouraged among us. It's also not about low quality; it's about high quantity, regardless of quality.
Personally, I almost never restructure a sentence once it's down on the page and is older than half a minute or so. The syntax, punctuation, and spelling is universally either correct the first time or intentionally rule-breaking. Of course, I'll later recognize contextual disjunctions between my sentences, which bear semantic editing. So do weak sentences or sections of my writing which could benefit from additional ideas, new inspiration, or the like. I have been known to return to a story many months later and overhaul it, but if any sentence takes me longer than five seconds to fix, I'm probably not editing it so much as scrapping it and starting over. All of this means that the time that I spend editing is short and front-loaded into my first draft, while the time that I spend properly rewriting is long and heavily weighted towards the end of the process. Hence, my NaNo doesn't suffer from edititis, though it's entirely possible I'll come back to it at the end of December and realize it was generally garbage. Syntactically, lexically perfect garbage.
Most people have different writing styles, though, and one of the most disheartening feelings is that you'll never be able to move on until it's perfect, and it'll never be perfect because you don't know how to make it so. For people who suffer from this particular malady, a refusal to perform initial edits may work wonders. Once you know the whole story, you'll know which words to use, which rules to follow, and which rules to break. Don't sweat it at the outset.
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Nothing's wrong with what you're doing. If I did it, though, well...I'd wind up with yet another exposition for a novel sitting in my "Writing Projects" folder, feeling totally fed up with it and all the editing I'd done on it, never getting past character descriptions.
This is the first time I've managed to get into the meat of a novel, and it's because I'm writing without looking back. It's working for me, even if it doesn't necessarily work for everyone.
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I find it silly as well. I'm a college kid striving for medical school; I might as well have a 9-5 job. It's not that I have tons of time to do this, I just work hard about 2 hours out of the day, usually after nightfall when I should be sleeping. I edit. Most of my sentences are well-thought out and I even visit thesaurus.com occasionally. GASP! What am I doing?! My novel isn't a complete pile of crap! Oh... that's not a bad thing.
If you absolutely are stressed for time and you're having trouble meeting your daily goals, only then should you adopt a rule so silly as "NO BCKSPC."
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Personally, I have a 9-5 (which is more like 8 -6 for most people) and two young children. I have a total of about three hours a day that are not occupied with other responsibility. I also have other things to get done (cleaning, shopping, exercising, cooking . . . ). I can use all my time to write and edit, thus hating this experience and risk not finishing, or I can do something rough and dirty. I opt for the latter. Also, I know that my process only starts moving once I have a completed draft. If you front load your editing, good for you. Neither approach guarantees high quality.
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Oh you just made my day.
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Someone has a different take than me on things! I'd better respond sarcastically and pull out a GIF!
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I think the great thing about nano is...it's not that hardass. There are many "rebels", and if you're someone that needs to spend more time editing than writing, go for it.
Personally, I haven't been writing prose. In a long time. I stepped away from it to take a stab at screenwriting and got stuck there. Having the freedom to fully remember what it is about prose writing that made me fall in love with it the first place...the twists I didn't expect, the way my characters surprise me time and I again when I forget about editing and perfect sentences and just let them take the wheel and do the talking...that's what excites me about nano, and that's why I actually think writing low quality (or as I put it "my quest to write 50,000 words of crap"), has been a lifesaver to me. But that's just one success story--everyone just needs to write in a way they feel that'll benefit them most, even if that means putting themselves out of their comfort zones. Good luck!
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I find that if I think about what I'm writing too hard, it'll stop flowing and then I'll just sit and stare at the white screen for the whole month. Now I've written tons of school papers I always had the same problem with drafts-- couldn't ever get the words out unless I was pressed up against the deadline and desperate. Things should come out perfect the first time, with little tweaking, or not at all. Not a good thing when a paper is due in about six hours because you're too scared that it'll be crap and you had a week's worth of anxiety to work on it. It wasn't that I didn't know what to write, it was how to write it.
NaNoWriMo is the complete opposite of my academic experience. You have a tight deadline but no one is going to grade you on the final product(until you get a chance to edit it properly, that is). It's a release from all the times when you are forced to turn in a paper that you know could do better on because you just ran out of time. Not everybody does the novel-in-a-month thing because they want to be published or read or by their peers (even posthumously!). Sometimes it's just catharsis with a shiny certificate and a purple bar. If there was an official National Paint a Picture a Day Month, I would be doing that. It's just that writing is a little easier to keep track of progress on.
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Also it's about writing 50k words. My first nano I did 23k and that was the most I had ever written for one novel in my life. It was a major accmoplishment. I got bored with other novels and would start something new... or the excitment of starting a new idea made me want to start a new one. So I never got too far. When you've never written 23k or let alone 50k you need to give up on the high quality, second or thrid draft novel writing and just write. Finishing a novel my thrid year made me feel GREAT.
And like others have said. I don't have a lot of time for writing. Then editing the same day. But that's me.
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Makes sense. Guess writing's just too modular for people to set down general rules.
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People vary too much for general rules to apply to everybody when it comes to a voluntary activity.
Look at the pantser versus plotter discussions. While they are somewhat polarized, if you look at the details, it is actually a spectrum. At one extreme, you have the pantsers that only have a vague ideal of what they are writing about when they start, but are able to come up with a good start on things with the first draft. At the other extreme, you have plotters who have EVERYTHING neatly defined when they start and are able to come up with a good first draft. And in between, there are pantsers who do some plotting and plotters who don't go into a huge amount of detail when they are plotting.
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I edit as I go. I don't like to just write crap, so I end up deleting paragraphs, and rewriting them. I know it needs more editing at the end of the month, but I don't quit for the day if I'm not pleased with what I've written.
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I'm in this camp too. To each their own technique, but I find that if I really dislike what I wrote earlier, it creates drag on future progress -- like a headwind. Fixing or scrapping weak material is energizing and I move ahead faster after that.