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Fighting in the Desert?

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WritingGeek97
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I was wondering what would be required to fight in a desert. This desert changes from sand drifts that can go up to a six-foot-tall person's shoulders to sharp rocks. There isn't much water, plants, or animals. What sort of supplies would a 15,000-man army with 300 nurses and doctors go through in a week? What would the traveling be like? What sort of problems could they encounter? (There aren't animals big enough to break into the food easily--there are snakes and a few spiders but that's it.) They have to cross the desert within 20 days, and the desert is about the width as the length from the middle of Texas to the middle of Saskatchewan, Canada, if that makes sense. They have to walk all the way, and carry supplies themselves because there wasn't enough money to let them travel with animals. Thanks!

lasalle202
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You cannot cross a desert that big on foot with that many people - simply transporting the required water would make it an impossible task.

Phoenix
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Hm. Let's see... Figuring 3 liters of water a day minimum apiece, with each liter weighing 2.2 pounds (plus container weight), then each man would be carrying roughly 140-150 pounds of water. Plus food.

Yup, I'm thinking that it's a no-go.

Lizardhound

They'd die without magicians to help them or animals such as horses or camels to carry stuff...

larelmian
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Let's see -- according to Google maps the distance from Dallas TX to Saskatoon is around 1600 miles. 20 days -- that would be 80 miles per day. I'd like to see them make more than 20 on a good day. Maybe. You want them to move four times faster than a human could walk, and still carry enough water to last them.

Have we entered the realm of ludicrous yet?

larelmian
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By my calculations, to make a march of this distance would take approximately five months.

Phoenix
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So...more than a half ton of water each, plus food...and weapons...?

Notkieran
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In short:

You need your army to be undead, robotic, simulacra, or otherwise non-human.

Fraust

Walking speed improbabilities aside, there is generally water in the desert. Unless we're talking complete scifi, little to nothing to do with the laws of physics/nature as we know it...

What sort of setting is this? Modern/historical? Real/fantasy? Are we talking the guys down the street or Israel special forces?

WritingGeek97
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XD Ok. This won't work. Thanks!

It's fantasy in about the early 1900s ish. They're in the army and most of them have just gotten out of a very-basic-hurry-up-and-learn-already kind of training.

Thanks again! I'll think of something else. Haha.

lasalle202
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You have a lot of variables to play with:
*Size of the desert (why do they have to cross such a large desert? why can't it be smaller?)
*Dryness (maybe its not "desert" but just a dry area. maybe there are regular oasis or mountain fed rivers that supply water at several points in the passage)
*composition of forces (maybe they have camels or motorized wheeled water tankers that can tote the water or dirigibles to cross faster)
*maybe they have a Moses to call mana from the sky

WritingGeek97
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It can't be smaller without messing up the geography, so...Yeah. Haha.

If there were active wells dug that could be reached every week, would that help a lot? (I can change the history, but not the geography. XD Sorry!)

Would camels take up extra water and supplies? Would the tankers have to use gas or oil or coal, which would add weight?

(Moses calling mana is cool, btw.)

Thanks!

lasalle202
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yes, camels need to eat and drink, but unlike humans, they can carry MORE than they need to eat and drink on a journey through the desert.

the same with any mechanized tanker - yes it would consume fuel, but it would be able to move a greater mass of whatever compared to the fuel it uses. (or if you made it a magic powered, it might not need "fuel" that weighs anything, just a magician thinking "GO!" at it, or however your magic works.)

WritingGeek97
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Thanks!

larelmian
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Rivers can flow through deserts. Look at the Nile. The Snake. Lots of rivers flow through deserts on the way to the sea.

Perhaps they can march alongside a river, which would provide them with adequate water.

And, WritingGeek, you can change EVERYTHING. Really, you can. You're the author.

WritingGeek97
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Ok. Thanks! I have a feeling I make these things too complicated. XD Thanks again!

Bill Moonroe
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If Bear Grylls has taught me anything, you can go a long way through a desert by drinking your own urine. Preferably distilled, but hey, if you've got a spare rattlesnake skin to use a canteen o' piss, that works, too.

Having oasises is the best bet, but even then, with 15,000 people, they won't be leaving any kind of an oasis behind them, which means this is a one-time trek. Travelling at night would reduce the water needs somewhat, but probably not enough to help. Even if there's plenty of barrel cactus, it's unlikely anyone but the upper-level officers would get enough.

Overall, I'd say the size of your force has a lot more to do with the improbability of making it than the severity of the desert. 15 people might be able to forage resources. 5 would be better, but 15,000 isn't very probable.

Unless they have a way of extracting the moisture from the bodies of fallen comerades a la "Dune".

theInsane
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Bill Moonroe wrote:
If Bear Grylls has taught me anything, you can go a long way through a desert by drinking your own urine. Preferably distilled, but hey, if you've got a spare rattlesnake skin to use a canteen o' piss, that works, too.



wait, you're being sarcastic.... right?

sovay
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Nope, Bear Grylls really would advise you to drink your own urine. Flip on the Travel Channel and see for yourself. Apparently it's a better alternative to drinking dirty water; I don't plan on trying it for myself.

theInsane
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i don't have cable - heck i don't even have a TV at the moment.... :-)

on second thought though, i could see it making sense IF the idea is to start collecting (and filtering) the urine BEFORE you run out of water....
because a) if you don't filter it really well, you're just adding back in all the crap your kidneys were trying to flush out which is certainly not going to help stop dehydration
and b) once you run out of water you aren't going to have much urine left to drink anyhow.

but if you hold those key points in mind... then yeah, that probably would help your water supply last. i keep hearing that urine is theoretically safe to drink as long as the person doesn't have any weird infections so it's better than dying of dehydration... but not something i'd really want to rely on, yknow?

Bill Moonroe
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Well, Bear Grylls would probably also have some off-camera assistants with a thermos full of ice water, too... he's done things like making a sort of a still involving a styrofoam cup and plastic, but he has actually killed a rattlesnake, cooked the meat after pulling it out of its intact skin, and used the skin as pee canteen.

Of course, this is the same guy, who, when confronted with just about any sort of carcass, will go for the eyeballs first.

WritingGeek97
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Sorry, but this conversation made me crack up. XD It's the kind some of my friends and I would have. Haha.

Thanks again, everybody!

Notkieran
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I suppose you could keep your urine in a cup, then when you stop, dig a pit and make a solar still to collect the distilled urine in another cup and be very careful NOT TO MIX THE CUPS.

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