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So you don't believe in God, or the 'Christian' version of God...

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TheTabster
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Why?

I need help in formulating a strong and valid reason my MC would not believe in God and would in fact be very anti-Christian.

Thanks :)

vvmasters
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Because all paths lead to God, or spiritual enlightenment. Christianity, and other organized religions, tend to take the personal relationship between the Creator and the Created, and insert middle men and churches as the route to find God. Regardless of what religion you follow, it should always be a personal path, a personal relationship, a personal unfolding. A religion pointing you toward God is wonderful, but it standing in between you and God, defeats the purpose.

TheTabster
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I would have to argue here that it is not all of Christianity that teaches that there is a middle man -- the majority of denominations teach that it is a personal and direct relationship with God; the church is merely there as a place for learning and fellowship with one another -- any church that teaches that you must attend church, or go through confessionals with the preachers, etc. is, in my books, waaaay off the mark.

Thank you for your input though :) Love hearing from others, and all feedback definitely helps with figuring out the direction of my characters.

Itzika
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*coughCatholicismcough*

Just saying.

TheTabster
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I never said there weren't any, I said not all. I was trying to avoid pointing fingers.

Stoloniferous
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Personally, I was raised in a religion-free environment. By the time I observed actual adults believing in gods, it was as strange to me as if they still believed in Santa Claus. That makes me rather neutral towards religion, but I do tend toward anti-religious when I see people refusing to analyze evidence or apply logic for religious reasons.

irrevenant
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"I need help in formulating a strong and valid reason my MC would not believe in God and would in fact be very anti-Christian."

I mentioned in the other thread about assuming Christianity as the default, and that's what this question is doing. You're framing the idea of non-belief as something that needs to be explained or justified.

This is the point Phoenix was making, but I don't think you quite wrapped your head around it. A person doesn't need a reason to NOT believe in God anymore than they need a reason to NOT believe in fairies or reincarnation.

I don't believe in the Christian God for the same "reason" that you don't believe in Hindu gods - I know lots of people believe it, but I personally have never come across a compelling reason to.

I DO believe there is such a thing as a spiritual experience (though whether its a genuine event or a quirk of human neurology is still up for debate).

What I DON'T see is any justification for the jump from "I felt a spiritual connection with something greater than myself" to "therefore I should start believing in an ancient tribal book of Mythology".

The 'answer' to "Why don't you believe in Christianity?" is a perplexed "Why would I?"

irrevenant
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To answer the second part of your question why be specifically ANTI-Christian:

The first and main answer is that most non-Christians have a fair amount of experience with Christians who can't wrap their heads around the concept "I believe differently to you and that's not something that needs to be fixed".

IMO, at least some of that is intrinsic to the religion itself given the way it considers itself to have the "one true God", frames non-believers as "lost sheep" and ministering to them as the duty of a good Christian.

We are NOT lost and we don't need "saving", thank you very much!

Imagine if every few days you bumped into kind and well meaning psychologists who insisted that your belief in Jesus was a delusion and considerately offered to help set you you free from that delusion. Can you see how that might become grating after a while?

TheTabster
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"Imagine if every few days you bumped into kind and well meaning psychologists who insisted that your belief in Jesus was a delusion and considerately offered to help set you you free from that delusion"

Except that that does happen. Quite frequently by many people who hold the belief that Christians are wrong. I can't say there is a single day I have gone where at least one Atheist has not made a similar statement, automatically assuming that as a Christian I must be uneducated and lacking the ability to reach conclusions of my own.

And yes, I did wrap my mind around it thank you. My question was looking at the differences in why Atheists believe differently. I never said it 'needs to be explained or justified', I asked about the reasons why because I want to understand it to write a proper character. People have 'reason' behind anything that they believe, whether it be belief in something or belief in nothing. There is always a mindset, logic and reasoning behind it. That is what I was looking for.

There was no attack in it, and the fact that you and Phoenix had to make it so proves you are here looking for a fight.

If you don't feel like assisting, then don't assist. But don't sit here and attack my questions just because you feel like I have no right to ask.

Phoenix
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Beg pardon? I simply answered the question, and I did so without criticizing either you or it.

The fact that *you* have now labelled that "looking for a fight" seems...odd.

TheTabster
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Phoenix, my apologies... looking back, it wasn't even you who said that. *I* should have looked before just grabbing what username he threw at me.

irrevenant
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Whoa, where did that come from!? I'm not attacking you, and yeah, of course you have the right to ask. I've answered (not attacked) your question to help you out. Hopefully you can look past any perceived attack and find my responses useful because I put quite a lot of time and effort into them. :/

Let me try this another way:

When you were first born, you didn't believe in ANYTHING - you were born a (basically) blank slate. You weren't, for example born thinking "I don't believe in Christianity because X, Y, Z".

When your parents introduced you to a chair, you believed in it - you could see, touch and (knowing kids :)) taste it.

You built up trust in your parents so when they told you about things that you couldn't directly experience such as atoms or China or God you believe them.

Now imagine your parents never told you that Christianity was true. Imagine you're a teen or adult before encountering believers in Christianity. When they tell you about it, it mostly sounds nice, but you have no more reason to believe its true than Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny.

Do you see how, in that example, you're disbelieving, not because you have a reason to disbelieve, but because you have no reason to believe.

People generally believe (or change their beliefs) when given a good reason to, and not before.

BTW, I agree that "missionary" atheists are just as annoying as missionary Christians. I think in many cases they get that way because they feel threatened and "retaliate preemptively". That's a shame. I think most people on both sides are willing to live and let live.

TheTabster
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I still see it as a reason to disbelieve, just as it would be a reason to believe.

And I apologize if I jumped the gun here, but it seemed your point of that post was more to prove I was wrong and less to answer my question.

irrevenant
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My posts weren't intended to prove that you're wrong. While obviously I don't hold your beliefs, it's no skin off my nose if you hold them.

I was responding to your question "I need help in formulating a strong and valid reason my MC would not believe in God and would in fact be very anti-Christian.". i.e. "How does a non-believer think?".

I've responded to that question by giving you my perspective on why I'm a non-believer - not because I want you to change your beliefs, but so you can accurately reflect a non-believer's perspective for your novel. That way, when the MC converts it won't come across as a "straw conversion".

And I'm telling you that, as a non-believer, I don't feel that I have, or need to have, "strong and valid reasons not to believe in God". I dont need a reason to NOT believe in mythological figures - their non-existence is assumed until they prove otherwise to me. I don't believe in God because he's never given me any reason to.

Is that clearer?

I appreciate that this perspective is probably quite alien to you, but that's what you're looking for for your novel, right?

LeAnnJ
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I am Pagan. I have two teenage sons that I do not push my beliefs on. My 13 old attends a pentecostal church and my 16 year old used to attend a Baptist church where he was baptized. Interestingly enough, my 16 year old, being very musically inclined like I am, played in the church band, and when he had a falling out with his buddies from church and quit attending, he got blamed for a fire that was set to the church one night. The youth pastor called me and said the kids were pointing fingers at him. I told him they could point the finger but he was in fact sick and at Childrens Hospital 3 hours away from our town the night the fire happened. Less than a week later they caught the two boys that started the fire. Some of the kids won't speak to my son still even though this happened over a year ago. Needless to say, he believes that everything he was taught in church about forgiveness, loving thy neighbor, etc., was a lie. Those kids were so hell bent on stoning an innocent person, it makes you wonder what exactly churches are preaching. He now views church as a joke. And to my surprise, he is a firm believer in Karma.

TheTabster
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I am so sorry to hear that your son went through that! It always breaks my heart when I hear about these kinds of things happening in churches, because they are so off base from what Christianity is about.

I struggled similarly with my church for years, because I was always treated as 'bad news' and ignored and made fun of because I was different -- it really left a bad taste in my mouth for church and what it was supposed to be about.

Thank you for sharing! I think this type of idea might best play into part for my character -- and again, I am so sorry to hear that people who called themselves Christians did this to your son. It's horrible :(

MariAdkins
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The biggest thing that led me to Paganism? When I was fourteen or fifteen, I started wondering where Mother is. I mean, men can't carry and deliver babies, so where's Mom? When I asked these questions at church, I was told there are some things we just don't question and to mind my manners. Of course, I didn't, and kept looking until I found her.

TheTabster
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Sorry, can you explain that further? I'm not quite sure I understand what you mean -- obviously, women can carry babies, so I'm not understanding where the 'where's Mom' question comes from/means? (I've never studied Paganism before, so its a bit above my head).

Thanks :)

prairiecrow
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TheTabster wrote:
Sorry, can you explain that further? I'm not quite sure I understand what you mean -- obviously, women can carry babies, so I'm not understanding where the 'where's Mom' question comes from/means? (I've never studied Paganism before, so its a bit above my head).


I think what they might be getting at is the arbitrary notion that the Divine Presence is exclusively male, when it's women who bear new life (and therefore logically a Goddess should be the source of the universe, not a God).

TheTabster
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Ahh, thank you for explaining :)

MariAdkins
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Ah yes. That's it. Sorry it took me so long to get back to this thread.

WVWriter

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WVWriter

My parents were highly religious; as a child I attended a Southern Baptist Church 6 separate times a week for 9 different classes or gatherings: Sunday morning Sunday school & sermon service, Sunday evening PTL (Praise the Lord) meeting, youth group & evening sermon service, Tuesday evening Bible study, Wednesday evening prayer meeting, Thursday evening choir practice, and Friday evening youth choir practice. I often prayed aloud for our church groups as my fervent belief made me an articulate and impassioned prayer leader. As if that wasn't enough, my parents also sent me to a Lutheran school for K - 8th grade: Bible class daily, Bible memorizations weekly, catechism class twice weekly, and a full school, full scale, Wednesday morning sermon service. I believed literally, and with my entire being, every word of the Bible. When I was 12, in 1968, not only was the world exploding around me (I grew up in Alexandria, VA), but also my personal world exploded. My grandfather, who lived with us and who had been bedridden for 4 years, died. I felt "the Lord" leading me to a miracle based on the Biblical "Ask and it shall be given you"; consequently, I walked up to my grandfather's casket with the firm belief that God was going to work a miracle through me. My grandfather would sit up, say, "Praise God" in his old firm way, "Hallelujah!" and people at his funeral service would be converted to belief in Jesus Christ and find salvation! I stood there, savoring the moment, deep in prayer; I laid hands on Granddad's still chest and, shaking with the inner power I felt, commanded Satan to leave my grandfather in the name of Jesus, and thanked God the Father for my grandfather's resurrection. When finally I realized that Granddad wasn't going to rise, I realized also the lie I'd been told. Moreover, if that was a lie, all of it was; "it" being the entire core of who I was and what I felt myself created to become. I'm still an atheist.

Lex Scriven
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Because I've always believed in other deities, even when I was a perfect Christian child. Because a lot of Christians preach hatred and intolerance and anti-science and I can't cope with being identified with people who would embarrass me.

TheTabster
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As a Christian, I often find myself embarrassed by those preachers as well.

Hmm. Believing in other deities isn't something I had considered -- might be worth looking into for my character.

Thanks :)

MariAdkins
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That's a beautiful explanation!

prairiecrow
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Your MC might simply never have felt a Divine presence, and thus would have no intuitive reason to believe in one (in much the same way that most people don't believe in unicorns or leprechauns).

As for being anti-Christian... oh Lordy, where do I start? Christianity has been responsible for some truly awful periods in human history (the Crusades, the Inquisition, the way that even today Christians tend to quarrel viciously among themselves) and individual Christians, like the Westboro Baptist Church and those idiots who leave religious tracts disguised as $10 bills on tables for underpaid waiters and waitresses to find, can be spectacularly cruel, nonsensical and ignorant (just look at the "good" Christian kids who drive gay kids to suicide on a semi-regular basis). Add that to the way some Christians launch into a screaming "UR GOIN TO HELLLLL!" sermon when confronted with anything even vaguely dissimilar to their own opinions and you'll see why some people paint all Christians with the same nasty brush. (Please note that I'm not saying that such bigotry is right, only that it's understandable given the way that some Christians behave.)

Some people take a look at how some Christians act and come to the conclusion that they'd rather burn in Hell than be part of the fan club of a God whose believers engage in such behaviour, regardless of whether or not they believe that the Christian God exists.

TheTabster
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Thanks for sharing :)

As a Christian myself, I've often struggled with actually calling myself one because of the reasons you've listed above. I've lost count of the amount of times I've actually cried when hearing about these things that so-called 'Christians' do.

MargoMcP
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The Judeo-Christian concept of God is extremely masculine; we have a male God with a Son and the Fall is all women's fault for eating the apple (but what can you expect being formed as an afterthought from a man's ribs?). I'd work with Christianity's, old boy, male-exclusive, out-dated aspects.

The religion reflects the surrounding society and there's still much troubling about women ministers/teachers, Paul's letters/advice about women, etc. Too, a lot of Christian Bible history is based on earlier religious practices (part of why I could never be a Mormon it's too "created" as a whole rather than something that naturally developed out of ongoing experience).

Even Divine-Inspired, someone living in First Century Palestine could not anticipate Twenty-First Century Palestine, much less Twenty-First Century United States? Yes, a thief is a thief is a thief but. . .that's too simplistic to be very useful anymore in this day and age and my belief in a Personal Savior cannot be the same as your belief in a Personal Savior because we're very much not the same person and society has made it harder and harder to either understand those "different" from ourselves or the opposite, to even acknowledge (political correctness) that they are different.. I cannot learn from you because you are like me, whether you are or not.

daqu
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Because there are too many contradictions in the Bible, there are so many things in the Bible that evolved from secular influences, and honestly it all sounds just a little too perfect for me. Like, the whole thing about Christianity being a religion for the masses and how even if your life sucks, it's okay because there's another life for you after death where everything will be as it should have been for you on Earth, and you'll get to be reunited with all your dead loved ones. But be careful, because if you screw up, you'll be sent to a fiery pit of damnation for all of eternity (which, by the way, the standards for who goes to Heaven and Hell have changed drastically over time).

LDRobwell
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I read the bible. That's really all it took. Also, I read other mythologies. And then there is science. When I was agnostic i used to think that what ever was the divine had created the world through science but even that is just a lazy way of explaining the science (most of which goes over my head).

Basically, believing in the judeo-christian god was, at a certain point, like believing in santa claus.

Christianity took from judaism which took from various pagan myths and escalated from there. it isn't new or much different and holds no emotional impact for me.

Backbones
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Strong and compelling reasons not to believe in a God:

seeing no reason to believe in a god
seeing no evidence of a god
not being raised to believe in a god
seeing in the god reflections of qualities that you find undesirable or immoral

basically, the strong and compelling reasons for people not to be Christians are going to be pretty similar to the strong and compelling reasons you feel for not acknowledging the core concepts of every other religion as being true.

Cadaverine
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Tabster: I have never really been a Christian - I was raised non-religious, sought religion in my early teens and found Paganism - but I very much enjoyed watching the first six or seven videos in this playlist. (You can click on them to view them on youtube if you'd rather; I found that an easier way to view myself.) The fellow in the videos was once a strong Christian and it is his documentation of his journey to atheism. I think it would be the best help for what you're asking.

I'm not a fan really of Christianity - or at least that subsect of Christianity that believes in a literal hell as punishment for non-believers. Mostly because that seems completely at odds with any kind of loving god. At any rate I quite like many Christians, and I think if I was Christian I would probably be Anglican. I do take issue with the concept of conversion, particularly the historical conversions of Saint Olaf. (It pains me that he is still honoured as a saint. May his soul not find its rest.) Missionary work historically has destroyed religions and indeed contributed to the destruction of cultures. That it still goes on disturbs me - if you want to do charity work, do charity work. Give them a bible if it makes you happy. Don't impose your religion upon them, or make agreeing to hear about your religion a condition for receiving help. Especially in areas where the religion practiced is endangered. (I speak of course with a general 'you' and not to you personally. You seem very nice.) I have heard - believe it or not! - about mission trips to parts of Europe! Places that are very Catholic! This one girl's school went on a mission trip to a city in Lithuania that actually has a hill covered in crosses. It's remarkable. I'm not sure what their intent was - converting the Catholics perhaps? Makes me think they had been reading those loathsome Chick Tracts!

So I suppose my main issue with Christianity is the lack of acceptance of other points of view. From a polytheistic perspective.... the person down the road might worship Athena and that's fine with me. I've met Athena, lovely goddess. The person across the road might worship Jesus. Fine, never met him but I'm sure he's wonderful also. I like that variety. When I was a child I used to read books about polytheistic cultures and wish we still had that variety - now I know those religions are springing back to life I still wish there was that variety in many places (but I'm also more aware of the private nature of religious belief). My main issue with Christianity is the "this way, or no way" standpoint of the religion as a whole, and of some sects in particular that do not see the value even in other forms of Christianity. While many Christians have been kind and respectful of me and my religion - and this is something I very much appreciate - so too have some dismissed my sacred things without even trying to understand that they might hold for me the same significance that a cross or the bible holds for them.

At any rate that is my perspective - I would not call myself "anti-Christian", but I wanted to share my standpoint.

psychoceramic
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None of us are born believers... nor are we believers because of our family. We are saved by our own desire to be with the creator of the universe and to have a relationship with Him.

A Non believer in Christ can be such for many a reason.
1) never heard the name
2) see the "Evangelical" and see something wrong
3) just doesn't believe

4) and to me the reason i was not a christian... was because i just never understood Who Christ is... i read the word... saw the failures of his people, saw what i knew are mistakes in the bible.... and never wanted to be like them....Christ or his followers....

Now i am saved because i know God and i trust in His Son.

unicawn
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Because paganism is a choice of path, where one makes one's own soul decisions and makes one's own path. I have always been deeply thoughtful about the meaning of life, and have studied a lot of paths. I don't believe anyone got it right and that there are many gods, one of them has been used as an excuse to kill and maim others... and oppress women.
I also studied the history of xtianity and basically the romans romanticized the story a rebel who preached against roman rule, added in Moses law, corrupted a lot of Celtic myth and used it politically to control the masses and to try to keep the empire together...

Phoenix
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Why *should* anyone believe? The burden of proof is on the "godly"--and they don't meet it.

TheTabster
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Would you mind expanding on your view for me a bit? So far, yours seems to be the closest to the statement that my MC would make :)

barsanuphe
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there's no much to expand, really. Your original question implied one would need a compelling reason not to believe. You have it backwards. It's like asking you what is your reason for not believing in Odin: you don't, because you don't care about Odin. Atheist, as Dawkins says, just go one God further.

TheTabster
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There is always room for expansion, as there is always a reason behind one's line of thinking -- My reason for not believing in Odin has nothing to do with 'not caring' about Odin, it has to do with myself having found more compelling reasoning and experiences to believe in the 'Christian' God.

I don't have anything backwards. People have compelling reasons why they don't believe, just as I have compelling reasons why I believe.

As one of my favourite professors in University once said, "If you don't have solid reasoning, and an explanation to represent your opinion, your opinion becomes moot. Either be educated enough to know why you believe or don't believe in something, or keep your mouth shut."

Everyone has reasons behind what they believe; and if they don't, then it's quite questionable as to how strongly they believe what they claim to believe.

barsanuphe
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You repeat the word "believe" so many times i'm not sure it means anything anymore. I'm glad to hear you debated to yourself the merits of believing in Odin vs believing in the Christian God and came up with reasonnable objective thinking about which was true. I'm sure you used the same process regarding Mithra, Jupiter, and Horus.

I really do think you have it backwards. Believing in any god implies making superfluous assumptions about the world we experience. Atheists are monists: the natural world is the entire world, and every phenomenon can be explained within the boundaries of nature. Religious people are dualists: they require the existence of an extra, invisible, never clearly defined spiritual world, which complements the natural world. That is quite an extraordinary hypothesis, especially when it is said that this hypothesis cannot be proven and should not even be, because it's a matter of "faith".

So you see, you don't need a reason not to believe, because not believing require absolutely no effort and no special hypothesis about the world.

Cadaverine
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"Atheists are monists: the natural world is the entire world"

Not strictly true. Atheism just speaks of non-belief in deities. You can be a quite spiritual person and be an atheist. You can believe in a spirit world, an afterlife, magic.... any number of things. You can be an atheist and a religious person; atheism doesn't imply you are irreligious.

barsanuphe
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Of course you can be spiritual and an atheist. But being spritual doesn't mean believing in spirits, or magic. Not believing in God but believing in "spirits" would be like trading an imaginary friend for another. I'm not sure this is the kind of character OP had in mind.

Phoenix
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I'm not sure much more needs to be said. There's no evidence in the world for the existence of any god; simply, one might say, an attempt on the part of some humans to interpret their experiences and observations in a way that--one assumes--offers them some comfort or sense of meaning. If there's neither evidence nor proof, why should your character clutter his/her life with such fairytales?

S/he might consider the Christian version of the God Myth particularly repellent because of the historical misbehavior of Christians or because of the current bad behavior of many Christians, ranging from verbal to physical to legal abuse of people of whom they don't approve.

TheTabster
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Thank you for expanding some :)

Manders331
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For a lot of people I know...There are two main reasons they dont believe in God.

1. How could an all knowing all loving God lets such bad things happen to good people? Examples like...a child getting abused...young kids getting bullied and then killing themselves...stuff like that.

2. A lot of Christians are very judgmental...especially to the LGBT community. (gays and trans) They are bullied because of it and those Christians are just very hurtful and hateful. So that could be why you MC is against Christianity? Cause of all the ones who are so judgmental.

Hope this helps. =]

Apiecalypse
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Because there is lots of evidence that the bible is false, is one of my reasons.

Also, one thing to consider is the fact that there have been hundreds of thousands of religions throughout time, a few of which have become very huge nowadays, and all feel very strongly that their's is the true religion, and have much proof. That in itself should breed skepticism.

Rob(literated)
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Your MC is anti-Christian because of personal experiences. Maybe they were gay in a Mormon family. Maybe they were so disgusted by the Catholic child-abuse scandals that they swore off Christianity. Maybe they learned about the history of missionaries and the horrific things they did to people in Africa, India, and the Americas (especially the Native Americans, who had their children seized, sent to boarding schools, and Christianized against their will by the US govt for over a hundred years).

Maybe your MC read about Christ and found him a compelling figure, but realized that the entire faith was more about hypocrisy and judging others in practice. And that people take the Bible and interpret it to justify whatever they want. Or he finds out that the Bible was created by the Byzantine Empire 325 years after Christ died by a bunch of Greek scholars on the dime of an Emperor, even though it was presented as unadulterated fact by his church. And so he gets thinking that, well, if this entire hulking mass of a religion is built on all these half-truths and hypocrisies and people never putting their money where their mouth is, then maybe your MC doesn't need to be a part of it at all.

And thus develops a skepticism towards the entire religion, given that people are preaching and judging each other, based on commandment of books they don't understand and don't know the history of, and committing all sorts of atrocities/lavishing themselves in consumerism and power in the name of a guy who told them to love their neighbors and give all their money to the poor.

Or maybe that was just my childhood. I dunno.

PopeyeDoyle

Have you tried looking up William Lane Craig? He's one of the foremost Christian apologists in the world and has several debates up on Youtube. Here's a video of him debating Christopher Hitchens: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KBx4vvlbZ8. You can also find him debating other atheist authors like Sam Harris, etc.

Watching the debates might give you a good idea of both sides, what they believe, and why they believe it. They're very entertaining as well!

CBrachyrhynchos
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Not anti-Christian, but I'm an atheist because I don't need "god" to have a rich and wonderful relationship with the world.

Frore
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TheTabster,

Youtube search any Christopher Hitchens video, and you will find a very thorough explanation of both of those topics. This one will get you started:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7UImBPq4WI

One of the reasons I find Christianity objectionable is because it teaches the idea that you can punish someone else for your sins (ie, Jesus) and be forgiven. I think the idea of a whipping boy in any circumstance is terribly unjust.

Lostchildofgallifrey
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All those reasons are why I am NOT a Christian or in religio. I DO BELIVE in God and in Jesus I AMA CHRIST follower which If you BELIVE the bible and in Jesus you are supposed to be. But people get all upset and think that how they interpret the bible is right and if you do so a diffrent way you will go to hell and suffer. It is also peoPle like that I want to pont to that in the bible it says not to argue obviously People have not got that part vecaue of all the crap that has been done said and all that. Personally I gues a reason one would not BELIVE is because they never got the chance. I grew up with southern baptists as familey so god has alway been around for me hope I could help

therisingmuse
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I'm a born again Christian. I think the point of the thread was to why someone would be anti-christian. As a Christian writer I write about this a lot. Of course my characters end up believing. I'm not here to argue other people's believes, just to help the original poster.

The times I've written about someone totally against Christianity it has been because of a bad experience in the church, a very strick religious doctrine (very legalistic), a traumatic event that they could not explain how God would allow A or B to happen.

I am though confused about how can someone not be a Christian and believe in JesusChrist... that by definition is a Christian. I do understand if the person doesn't attend church may not consider themselves Christians, but the Word Christian came from JesusChrist. They may not be a practicing Christian which is what sounds like.

wiccanhot
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Contrary to my screenname I wae raised Jewish. The reason I have for being "anti-christian" is that I view the old testament as being complete. I have no need for Jesus in my jdaism and I resent the phrase Judeo-Christian because the only mytholgy the 2 religions have in common is that jesus was jewish and therefore cpnsidered himself thevjewish messiah. But everything after jesus was crucified has in my opinion no relevance to judaism.

markisonlin3
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Heres a link to a very interesting intervew with Bertrand Russel where he's asked various questions about why he isn't a christian. It should answer a lot of the main questions for you and might give you an idea why your main character isn't a christian.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aPOMUTr1qw

I'm very anti-christian myself as an atheist and theres a very good quote from Richard Dawkins I like to use.
"Religious faith discourages independant thought, its divisive and its dangerous."

Cadaverine
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I disagree with Dawkins on that score. There are any number of religions and sects that encourage the seeking of knowledge and independent thought. He's an intelligent man but when he says things like that, it really makes me wonder whether he's bothered studying most religions. In no way does religion have to be divisive or dangerous. In fact I've been into many churches who welcome people regardless of religion, creed, sexuality, gender, or otherwise; they were happy to share their churches and answer any questions I had.

**shrug**

prairiecrow
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Cadaverine wrote:
I disagree with Dawkins on that score. There are any number of religions and sects that encourage the seeking of knowledge and independent thought. He's an intelligent man but when he says things like that, it really makes me wonder whether he's bothered studying most religions.


Dawkins is intelligent, no doubt about it, and he has some good points to make. However, he's also a bigot of the first water and just as bad in his own way as the religious fundamentalists he rails against. I know several atheists who facepalm every time he opens his mouth or sits down at his keyboard.

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