I'm looking for Christian denominations that have strict restrictions on how a person should behave or live.
This can include (but is not limited to) -LGBT equality -Racial equality -Gender equality -Alcohol rules -Drug use -Clothing -Practices
If you know anything about the religion, just tell me a little bit, that would be perfect. We only have so many days until NaNoWriMo and I don't know if I'd have enough time to search deeper and deeper into a religion and not find common practices!!
Hmmm, honestly as a Latin rite Catholic I'd say Catholicism works whether it's before or after VII.
-LGBT people are fine, it's homosexual sex/marriage that's a sin. Still, there's a restriction there, undoubtedly
-No issues
-Define "equality". Only mean can be ordained, but women have a special calling to motherhood and all that entails. The roles are different, but we're still made in God's image. Still, again, there's undoubtedly a particular viewpoint there.
-Getting drunk is a sin, drinking is fine.
-Getting addicted to a drug can be sinful.
-Modesty is important
-Church every Sunday and on holy days of obligation. The Eucharist can only be received by Catholics in a state of grace (no mortal sins on their soul). You must receive reconciliation at least once a year (during Lent is required) and you really should every time you think you might have committed a mortal sin.
There's a LOT more than that. Being a Catholic should be a full time job.
Interesting topic. If you are looking for just one of two of the issues you listed, almost any denomination might fit, especially if it is a very conservative congregation. Even within the same denomination, you will find that there are often degrees of ultra-conservative, conservative, moderate, liberal, and ultra-liberal. However, if you would like a church that is more concrete in a handful of these, then maybe one of the following might help:
Primitive Baptist - As with many baptist churches, the Primitive Baptists are still very male dominated. Only men can be elders in the church; women are not to wear men's clothing (no pants, slacks, jeans); men are to keep their hair cut; women are not to cut their hair; they practice "closed" communion, which means only baptized members of their denomination can participate in communion and foot washing, and they prohibit their members from taking communion at other churches; they do not use instruments of any kind during their worship services; they do not have crucifixes, crosses, or pictures of Jesus of any kind; and they strongly prefer the 1611 King James version of the Bible.
Apostolic Pentecostal - This denomination is strongly against women cutting their hair, make-up, immodest clothing; women only were dresses or long skirts; some churches do not support women as pastors; they are anti-labor unions; they will not bare arms (for example, in military service); and they strongly disapprove of dances and dancing, theaters, cinemas, etc. I believe they also have an abstinence-only stance on alcohol, drugs, etc.
Hmmm... I would be amiss if I did not include my own denomination. Let me preface with: I absolutely love my church, and having spent years "church-hopping" and studying various religions, I have finally found a church that best matches what I believe the Bible teaches. However, like any earthly institution, this church is not perfect, and I will be bringing up some of our flaws. This is not meant to be a negative reflection on this worldwide denomination but merely stating some of the issues we are in the process of (Lord willing) resolving. So here it goes:
Seventh-day Adventist - For the most part, we Adventists are rather conservative Protestants. We believe in the authority and relevancy of the Bible, and we also hold in high regard the writings of certain individuals, including Ellen White, who we believe was a prophet. Unfortunately, some Adventists have attempted to put her writings on equal standing as or above the Bible. It is almost guaranteed that within a single congregation, you will have a small number who will only quote Ellen White's writings (It is near impossible to hold a decent conversation with these people.), many who have disregarded White's writings altogether (The majority of these were raised Adventist and had White's writings shoved down their throats their whole lives, much of it taken out of context.), and then us rarer mdoerate-conservatives who accept White in her proper place as prophet. (A Biblical prophet's purpose was always to point God's people back to Him and His Word through warnings and insight.) I, myself, was somewhat hesitant to read her writings, though I accepted her as a prophet. It has taken nine years before I could develop an appreciation for her writings, but I now have a better understanding of their proper context. I read her work like I do the writings of other individuals who I believe to be inspired by the Lord... It can be helpful and inspiring, but my only authority is the Bible. Sola Scriptura.
We strongly promote "the health message" (as we call it) and encourage a healthy lifestyle. We teaching adhering to, at the very least, the dietary laws of Leviticus 11 regarding clean and unclean meats, and about half of Adventists worldwide are vegetarian or nearly vegetarian where a vegetarian diet is feasible. We also strongly disapprove of illicit drugs, alcohol, tobacco, and caffeine. We are second to only the Catholic church in the number of hospitals, clinics, and schools we operate around the world, and if you're an American, you may (or may not) be familiar with some of our biggest and most prominent hospitals: Loma Linda University Medical Center in California and Florida Hospital. Adventists were featured by National Geographic as one of the three longest living and healthy people groups in the world (the other two groups were from Okinawa, Japan, and Sardinia, Italy) after a U.S. National Institute on Aging. [source] I, myself, am now a wheat-free vegan for health purposes (severe allergy to diary and allergy to wheat), but that was a long personal journey and even many of my fellow Adventists would think I'm weird in that regard. Hahaha...
Though times are changing and most Adventists in North America and Europe would be considered more moderate (some even liberal), there are still some individuals or conservative congregations who disapprove of women wearing pants in church, make-up, jewelry, and many Adventists will not go to dances or movie theaters. There is actually a controversy in our church now over the ordination of women as pastors and elders; some regions of the world are staunchly opposed and others, like North America, are already accepting female pastors and elders. In fact, my congregation has two female elders, and when I was living in southern California, there were a number of female pastors. It is a highly contested issue that may (or may not) be resolved in 2015 at our next General Conference session. (I'm all for female pastors!) Despite this issue over ordination of women (which can get very heated), in all other regards we are extremely supportive of gender equality. In fact, our worldwide humanitarian branch, Adventist Development and Relief Agency (ADRA), [source] is in the forefront of the battle for gender equality, stopping abuse and poverty, and educating women.
As for racial equality, we are also extremely accepting of races, but in America on the East Coast, we still have white conferences and black conferences... This is a huge issue among many, especially the younger Adventists, Adventists converts (like myself), or those from outside this region, but it is hold ever from before the Civil Rights Movement and so far the conferences have not been able to amicably merge... even though the divided conferences in South Africa have successfully merged. This issue is a massive headache and an embarrassment on the entire world church. I attend currently a congregation that is officially part of the "white" conference but is, in fact, extremely racial and ethnically diverse. Globally, we are a diverse people who respect individual cultures and customs while also having a sense of unity; it is said that an Adventist can got to almost any Adventist church in the world and feel at home. (I would exclude some unfriendly churches here in the US from that, though. I've traveled a lot, and we Adventists in the US need to improve on reflecting the love of Christ. I feel we, sadly, epitomize of the Laodicean church which has lost our first love [Christ].)
Though most of us are patriotic (some extremely so... and we hold all different political views), the majority of Adventists would be classified "conscience objector" and would prefer to serve in noncombatant roles within the military (if they volunteer at all), though there are a growing number of Adventists who may choose on an individual basis to serve in a combatant role. Usually, Adventists in a combatant role is someone who is already serving in the military and then converts. I'm from a military family so I am a bit basis. (My dad is a U.S. Marine.)
Perhaps our most noticeable difference with the majority of our Christen brethren is our day of worship. Seventh-day Adventists honor the 4th Commandment by observing the Biblical Sabbath; that is, Friday sunset to Saturday sunset. The majority of Adventists will not work during Sabbath, though some will if their profession is a life-and-death, emergency type job like doctors, nurses, etc. Due to a history of being fired for refusing to working during Sabbath, we Adventists have become strong proponents for religious liberties and we have a whole organization dedicated to seeking justice for those terminated from a job on the sole grounds of their religion. [source] Due to this, we often find ourselves on the opposite side of many of our fellow Protestants and Catholics in various legislative issues that we believe would pose a threat to individual freedoms, especially the freedom of conscience (the right to believe or not believe as dictated by the individual's conscience). As to be expected, we are very watchful for hints of legislation protecting Sunday as a day of rest while requiring work to be done during the Sabbath. Some may even say we are a bit paranoid on this subject and that in this day and age people don't lose their job over religious beliefs, but they do. In fact, just two weeks ago, an Adventist woman made headlines because the nursing home she had worked for for twenty years changed its policy and required ALL employees to alternate working weekends (Saturdays and Sundays). When she requested not to work on Sabbath (and she had never worked on a Sabbath in 20 years of working there), she was fired. The nursing home is being taken to court. In the 1990s, there was a long court battle in California when an Adventist man was hired with the state's agricultural department and then fired because of his religious belief in regards to the Sabbath. He eventually won on grounds of religious discrimination, but it took 13 years. There are hundreds of similar stories not only in the US but around the world.
Continuing on... Especially in Western societies, the Adventist church has ultra-conservatives, conservatives, moderates, liberals, and extra-liberals. It would probably be easier just to take a look at our Official Statements on the "big" topics like birth control, abortion, LGBT, etc. We do not condone certain behaviors that are clearly contrary to the Bible, but we believe it is the individual's right to choose. However, those who openly go against the teachings of the Bible are not to hold church offices or leadership positions within the church. Sadly, I can share stories of prejudice in regards to gender, race, or sexual orientation. I had an elder in one church not listen to something I said during a Bible study because I was a woman (it was a historical fact, and history is my forte), but when a (male) pastor said the exact same thing two weeks later, the elder accepted it without hesitating. An elder at a different church said something derogatory towards my mother, basically saying she "did not know Christ" because she wore make-up. My mom's face was badly scarred from severe cyst acne when she was a teen, and that comment hurt her very deeply. She showed up at the next meeting without make-up, her scars in full view and that elder never said a word of an apology. Then she went back to wearing make-up. I wear make-up, wear pants almost every Sabbath, was a church board member at 25, and even preached in a handful of times at various churches... and I'm a 27-year-old female. Then, of course, you have those who play the role while at church but do not actually follow through in their daily lives. When my family were brand new Adventists, we happily gave up unclean meats but continued to eat the clean meats. (The Bible records that Jesus Himself ate clean meats: certain fish, lamb, etc.) A few members of a different Adventist church tried to reprimand my family for not being vegetarians; one day we saw those very same individuals at a Golden Corral eating steak. So we have hypocrites, too, unfortunately. But all in all, I am not a part of this church because of the people (Just like any church or group, we have great people and we have not so great people.); I am a Seventh-day Adventist because of the truths that I believe this church holds and teaches, even if its own members in some places are turning their backs of these teachings.
Interestingly, the Seventh-day Adventist Church is the fastest growing Christian denomination in North America [source] and our membership worldwide grows nearly a million each year. We are present in 204 out of 228 countries recognized by the United Nations. So in spite of our flaws, we must have something that is appealing to those who are seeking. I was a seeker and I found what I sought in this church.
That was so much longer than I intended. My apologies! (-_-) I cannot wait until the "edit" feature is working... I would have gone back and condensed that post considerably.
*lol* I was sleepy when I wrote that. Hmm... Maybe during November I should write when I am half-asleep. I might be able to make the 50k word goal in only a few days! =D
When I was in high school, I had a classmate in one class who was Apostolic Pentecostal and attended a very conservative church. If I remember correctly, the women were not even to shave their legs. Perhaps that was only that one congregation, though.
-LGBT equality: LGBT would be expelled from the church.
-Gender equality: Women restricted from all positions of leadership. Not allowed to "teach" in the congregation. Must be in submission to males. Unable to hold most responsibilities in congregations.
-Alcohol rules: Can drink. Repeatedly drinking to excess/getting drunk would be expelled from the church.
-Drug use: Drug use would be grounds for expulsion.
-Clothing: No official rules. Must dress modestly and not follow worldly fashions. When attending religious meetings business dress is required. Women may not wear pants. Men not permitted to have beard, long hair. -Practices
Holiness Christians require women to wear skirts, have long hair, no alcohol, they pretty much can't do anything from the one that I knew, of course she also was very holier than thou, which I thought fit with the title of her beliefs. But they might not all be like that...
I'm not sure they call themselves closed but having been a member for a couple of years I'm comfortable describing what I attended as closed. Though I have to say - the only reason I consider them closed is because they would not allow non-members to take part in communion. My family joined that particular church when I was a teenager and then left after the church refused to allow Christian visitors to share communion with them. In some ways my familes reaction seems extreme to me after so many years and in others it seems reasonable. Christ did not restrict his covenant to a select group of his followers so why should we?
You aren't the only one with Brethren background! My grandmother was unable to take communion with my family (just my family) when she visited, because her assembly is closed and we've been attending a non-denominational church and taking communion there. Even though there is no doctrinal reason my grandparents cannot be in fellowship with us! I cried about it, but I can't ask her to go against her local assembly.
So there is definitely some odd (even unBiblical?) restrictiveness in the Brethren movement, as in all, I suppose. No one is perfect, certainly.
(US Brethren, BTW. Unfortunately for my family, we live on the east coast, and the only assembly anywhere close is of the same splinter as my grandmother's, and my parents left that splinter nearly two decades ago.)
Errr cheese all this makes me glad I grew up southern baPtist in my grandfathers church is a by strict women can't be in charge but could teach Sunday school. Me I got to a church called the refuge in Lubbock Texas not sure the denomination dot care. I love Jesus to me that's what matters
Plymouth Brethen, a British based religion, don't do tv, alcohol, smoking or even modern pop music. The may have changed since I was a christian, a number of years ago. I'm happy to be pagan now.
I met some strange people on facebook one time, who I *thought* were Bible believing Christians. We had many things in common. Then all of a sudden the lady started posting very racist things. Come to find out, some people label themselves as Kinists. They claim to be Christian, yet are very racists. Think KKK, and such. Here's a wiki page about them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinism
For the record, I de-friended them. I am multiracial! haha
-LGBT equality - Individuals may be accepting, but church culture and dogma states that being gay is sinful.
-Racial equality - Officially and often practically, there is racial equality -- but the church culture is (at least in America) largely white. This may vary from stake to stake, but I've always belong to predominately white stakes and I've seen issues with non-white members being glossed over -- particularly non-English speaking members. In my last ward, we had a substantial Hmong population but we rarely had Hmong missionaries so non-English speaking members often felt left out.
-Gender equality - Again, this may vary from individual to individual, but church culture is that women are baby-makers and home-makers. This is always presented in the most loving, and honoring way possible--but it can still be problematic for individuals who have no desire to be baby- or home-makers, or for individuals who do not have the capability to be baby- or home-makers. You can check out the web site Feminist Mormon Housewives for some thoughts about this if you wish to pursue it.
-Alcohol rules - Alcohol is prohibited
-Drug use - Recreational drug use is prohibited. Medicinal drug use is accepted, but abuse is not and I suspect that medicinal marijuana would not be accepted either.
-Clothing - Church culture is that men wear suits and ties, and women wear dresses. Further, modesty is preached strongly and enforced in a sort of way. I grew up Catholic, not LDS. I wore halter tops and tank tops and tube tops and strapless dresses frequently as a teen and young woman. Those are strongly discouraged and often seen as immodest in LDS culture. Modesty isn't quite taken to the extremes that it was in centuries past, but they have a very strict sense of modesty in comparison to today's standards of acceptability.
-Practices - Temple attendance. Segregating the men from the women during sunday school. Frequent "interviews" with church leaders. Tithing. Monthly fasting. There's probably much more.
If you want to 'borrow' any LDS church culture for your book, feel free to ask me about anything! I was raised Catholic, studied Wicca and Vedanta, then converted to LDS, so I've got some kind of non-standard views and don't exactly fit in as a Molly Mormon. In fact, I haven't attended church regularly in almost a year now. But I've observed a lot. There are things I don't love about church culture, but there are things I do still love about the church and I don't consider myself an ex-Mo.
There's been a lot said about Jehovah's Witnesses already but I don't think anyone had mentioned that they are also suppose to be prohibited from involvement with non-witnesses, beyond the context of Mission and they should also avoid any connections with politics (because the Second Coming is imminent enough that they should be focussed on the world to come).
Eastern Orthodox here. LGBT: considered a sin but no worse than any other racial equality: important and accepted Gender equality: yes, but not to the interhange of jobs within the church. Men are priests and deacons, women teach Alcohol: like food, not to excess drug use: only what is prescribed by a doctor, otherwise it's a sin Clothing: nothing that draws attention to oneself, such as t shirts with slogans on them. But this isn't a sin, just not something usually done. One main practice of Orthodoxy is the Fast. There are two rules: 1. If the doctor says you must eat something, eat, even if it's on the fasting list 2. It is better to consider the feelings of others than to keep to the "guidelines" So if someone offers you something during a fast that doesn't fit, you don't fast. Other than that, Wednesdays and Fridays are normal fast days fasting from meat (hamburgers, chicken etc) oils, wine and dairy products. Unless (1) or (2) come into play And there are some days when fish is permitted and somethimers when it isn't There are also some weeks when fasting is forbidden and some months when you're supposed to. The Sunday of the Pharisee and the Publican is one week when fasting is forbidden. This Sunday is "Meat Fare", the last day for eating meat during Lent. The Sunday after that is "Cheese Fare" after which comes Clean Monday when the Lenten fast begins. There is also the Advent Fast which isn't as strict as Lent or the Dormition fast or the Apostles. When you fast and when you don't and what you fast and what you don't is deliberately complicated so no one can think of themselves as pious from fasting. Fsting is not a virtue; eating is not a sin. Fasting is instead an exercise like in a gymn I'm sure I'll think of other practices after I've posted.
I have a knack for finding the least [insert denomination] church of its denomination, so I actually don't know about Methodism, which is technically the denomination of the church I go to now. I do know, however, that while women are allowed to be ordained, they have something of a DADT policy for their pastors.
Restricting Christian-based Religions
I'm looking for Christian denominations that have strict restrictions on how a person should behave or live.
This can include (but is not limited to)
-LGBT equality
-Racial equality
-Gender equality
-Alcohol rules
-Drug use
-Clothing
-Practices
If you know anything about the religion, just tell me a little bit, that would be perfect. We only have so many days until NaNoWriMo and I don't know if I'd have enough time to search deeper and deeper into a religion and not find common practices!!
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Hmmm, honestly as a Latin rite Catholic I'd say Catholicism works whether it's before or after VII.
-LGBT people are fine, it's homosexual sex/marriage that's a sin. Still, there's a restriction there, undoubtedly
-No issues
-Define "equality". Only mean can be ordained, but women have a special calling to motherhood and all that entails. The roles are different, but we're still made in God's image. Still, again, there's undoubtedly a particular viewpoint there.
-Getting drunk is a sin, drinking is fine.
-Getting addicted to a drug can be sinful.
-Modesty is important
-Church every Sunday and on holy days of obligation. The Eucharist can only be received by Catholics in a state of grace (no mortal sins on their soul). You must receive reconciliation at least once a year (during Lent is required) and you really should every time you think you might have committed a mortal sin.
There's a LOT more than that. Being a Catholic should be a full time job.
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Well, the first that pops into mind is clearly the Amish. Horse and buggies, no electricity, etc.
Shakers are fairly well gone, but they did too.
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Interesting topic. If you are looking for just one of two of the issues you listed, almost any denomination might fit, especially if it is a very conservative congregation. Even within the same denomination, you will find that there are often degrees of ultra-conservative, conservative, moderate, liberal, and ultra-liberal. However, if you would like a church that is more concrete in a handful of these, then maybe one of the following might help:
Primitive Baptist - As with many baptist churches, the Primitive Baptists are still very male dominated. Only men can be elders in the church; women are not to wear men's clothing (no pants, slacks, jeans); men are to keep their hair cut; women are not to cut their hair; they practice "closed" communion, which means only baptized members of their denomination can participate in communion and foot washing, and they prohibit their members from taking communion at other churches; they do not use instruments of any kind during their worship services; they do not have crucifixes, crosses, or pictures of Jesus of any kind; and they strongly prefer the 1611 King James version of the Bible.
Apostolic Pentecostal - This denomination is strongly against women cutting their hair, make-up, immodest clothing; women only were dresses or long skirts; some churches do not support women as pastors; they are anti-labor unions; they will not bare arms (for example, in military service); and they strongly disapprove of dances and dancing, theaters, cinemas, etc. I believe they also have an abstinence-only stance on alcohol, drugs, etc.
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Hmmm... I would be amiss if I did not include my own denomination. Let me preface with: I absolutely love my church, and having spent years "church-hopping" and studying various religions, I have finally found a church that best matches what I believe the Bible teaches. However, like any earthly institution, this church is not perfect, and I will be bringing up some of our flaws. This is not meant to be a negative reflection on this worldwide denomination but merely stating some of the issues we are in the process of (Lord willing) resolving. So here it goes:
Seventh-day Adventist - For the most part, we Adventists are rather conservative Protestants. We believe in the authority and relevancy of the Bible, and we also hold in high regard the writings of certain individuals, including Ellen White, who we believe was a prophet. Unfortunately, some Adventists have attempted to put her writings on equal standing as or above the Bible. It is almost guaranteed that within a single congregation, you will have a small number who will only quote Ellen White's writings (It is near impossible to hold a decent conversation with these people.), many who have disregarded White's writings altogether (The majority of these were raised Adventist and had White's writings shoved down their throats their whole lives, much of it taken out of context.), and then us rarer mdoerate-conservatives who accept White in her proper place as prophet. (A Biblical prophet's purpose was always to point God's people back to Him and His Word through warnings and insight.) I, myself, was somewhat hesitant to read her writings, though I accepted her as a prophet. It has taken nine years before I could develop an appreciation for her writings, but I now have a better understanding of their proper context. I read her work like I do the writings of other individuals who I believe to be inspired by the Lord... It can be helpful and inspiring, but my only authority is the Bible. Sola Scriptura.
We strongly promote "the health message" (as we call it) and encourage a healthy lifestyle. We teaching adhering to, at the very least, the dietary laws of Leviticus 11 regarding clean and unclean meats, and about half of Adventists worldwide are vegetarian or nearly vegetarian where a vegetarian diet is feasible. We also strongly disapprove of illicit drugs, alcohol, tobacco, and caffeine. We are second to only the Catholic church in the number of hospitals, clinics, and schools we operate around the world, and if you're an American, you may (or may not) be familiar with some of our biggest and most prominent hospitals: Loma Linda University Medical Center in California and Florida Hospital. Adventists were featured by National Geographic as one of the three longest living and healthy people groups in the world (the other two groups were from Okinawa, Japan, and Sardinia, Italy) after a U.S. National Institute on Aging. [source] I, myself, am now a wheat-free vegan for health purposes (severe allergy to diary and allergy to wheat), but that was a long personal journey and even many of my fellow Adventists would think I'm weird in that regard. Hahaha...
Though times are changing and most Adventists in North America and Europe would be considered more moderate (some even liberal), there are still some individuals or conservative congregations who disapprove of women wearing pants in church, make-up, jewelry, and many Adventists will not go to dances or movie theaters. There is actually a controversy in our church now over the ordination of women as pastors and elders; some regions of the world are staunchly opposed and others, like North America, are already accepting female pastors and elders. In fact, my congregation has two female elders, and when I was living in southern California, there were a number of female pastors. It is a highly contested issue that may (or may not) be resolved in 2015 at our next General Conference session. (I'm all for female pastors!) Despite this issue over ordination of women (which can get very heated), in all other regards we are extremely supportive of gender equality. In fact, our worldwide humanitarian branch, Adventist Development and Relief Agency (ADRA), [source] is in the forefront of the battle for gender equality, stopping abuse and poverty, and educating women.
As for racial equality, we are also extremely accepting of races, but in America on the East Coast, we still have white conferences and black conferences... This is a huge issue among many, especially the younger Adventists, Adventists converts (like myself), or those from outside this region, but it is hold ever from before the Civil Rights Movement and so far the conferences have not been able to amicably merge... even though the divided conferences in South Africa have successfully merged. This issue is a massive headache and an embarrassment on the entire world church. I attend currently a congregation that is officially part of the "white" conference but is, in fact, extremely racial and ethnically diverse. Globally, we are a diverse people who respect individual cultures and customs while also having a sense of unity; it is said that an Adventist can got to almost any Adventist church in the world and feel at home. (I would exclude some unfriendly churches here in the US from that, though. I've traveled a lot, and we Adventists in the US need to improve on reflecting the love of Christ. I feel we, sadly, epitomize of the Laodicean church which has lost our first love [Christ].)
Though most of us are patriotic (some extremely so... and we hold all different political views), the majority of Adventists would be classified "conscience objector" and would prefer to serve in noncombatant roles within the military (if they volunteer at all), though there are a growing number of Adventists who may choose on an individual basis to serve in a combatant role. Usually, Adventists in a combatant role is someone who is already serving in the military and then converts. I'm from a military family so I am a bit basis. (My dad is a U.S. Marine.)
Perhaps our most noticeable difference with the majority of our Christen brethren is our day of worship. Seventh-day Adventists honor the 4th Commandment by observing the Biblical Sabbath; that is, Friday sunset to Saturday sunset. The majority of Adventists will not work during Sabbath, though some will if their profession is a life-and-death, emergency type job like doctors, nurses, etc. Due to a history of being fired for refusing to working during Sabbath, we Adventists have become strong proponents for religious liberties and we have a whole organization dedicated to seeking justice for those terminated from a job on the sole grounds of their religion. [source] Due to this, we often find ourselves on the opposite side of many of our fellow Protestants and Catholics in various legislative issues that we believe would pose a threat to individual freedoms, especially the freedom of conscience (the right to believe or not believe as dictated by the individual's conscience). As to be expected, we are very watchful for hints of legislation protecting Sunday as a day of rest while requiring work to be done during the Sabbath. Some may even say we are a bit paranoid on this subject and that in this day and age people don't lose their job over religious beliefs, but they do. In fact, just two weeks ago, an Adventist woman made headlines because the nursing home she had worked for for twenty years changed its policy and required ALL employees to alternate working weekends (Saturdays and Sundays). When she requested not to work on Sabbath (and she had never worked on a Sabbath in 20 years of working there), she was fired. The nursing home is being taken to court. In the 1990s, there was a long court battle in California when an Adventist man was hired with the state's agricultural department and then fired because of his religious belief in regards to the Sabbath. He eventually won on grounds of religious discrimination, but it took 13 years. There are hundreds of similar stories not only in the US but around the world.
Continuing on... Especially in Western societies, the Adventist church has ultra-conservatives, conservatives, moderates, liberals, and extra-liberals. It would probably be easier just to take a look at our Official Statements on the "big" topics like birth control, abortion, LGBT, etc. We do not condone certain behaviors that are clearly contrary to the Bible, but we believe it is the individual's right to choose. However, those who openly go against the teachings of the Bible are not to hold church offices or leadership positions within the church. Sadly, I can share stories of prejudice in regards to gender, race, or sexual orientation. I had an elder in one church not listen to something I said during a Bible study because I was a woman (it was a historical fact, and history is my forte), but when a (male) pastor said the exact same thing two weeks later, the elder accepted it without hesitating. An elder at a different church said something derogatory towards my mother, basically saying she "did not know Christ" because she wore make-up. My mom's face was badly scarred from severe cyst acne when she was a teen, and that comment hurt her very deeply. She showed up at the next meeting without make-up, her scars in full view and that elder never said a word of an apology. Then she went back to wearing make-up. I wear make-up, wear pants almost every Sabbath, was a church board member at 25, and even preached in a handful of times at various churches... and I'm a 27-year-old female. Then, of course, you have those who play the role while at church but do not actually follow through in their daily lives. When my family were brand new Adventists, we happily gave up unclean meats but continued to eat the clean meats. (The Bible records that Jesus Himself ate clean meats: certain fish, lamb, etc.) A few members of a different Adventist church tried to reprimand my family for not being vegetarians; one day we saw those very same individuals at a Golden Corral eating steak. So we have hypocrites, too, unfortunately. But all in all, I am not a part of this church because of the people (Just like any church or group, we have great people and we have not so great people.); I am a Seventh-day Adventist because of the truths that I believe this church holds and teaches, even if its own members in some places are turning their backs of these teachings.
Interestingly, the Seventh-day Adventist Church is the fastest growing Christian denomination in North America [source] and our membership worldwide grows nearly a million each year. We are present in 204 out of 228 countries recognized by the United Nations. So in spite of our flaws, we must have something that is appealing to those who are seeking. I was a seeker and I found what I sought in this church.
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That was so much longer than I intended. My apologies! (-_-) I cannot wait until the "edit" feature is working... I would have gone back and condensed that post considerably.
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I think that's the longest post in this subforum XD Congrats!
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*lol* I was sleepy when I wrote that. Hmm... Maybe during November I should write when I am half-asleep. I might be able to make the 50k word goal in only a few days! =D
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My sister is a nurse at Glendale Adventist and she loves the fact that there are so many vegetarian options in the cafeteria!
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Hmmm interesting.. I'm Pentecostal, but I've never heard of Apostolic Pentecostals before. I'll have to do some research on that.
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When I was in high school, I had a classmate in one class who was Apostolic Pentecostal and attended a very conservative church. If I remember correctly, the women were not even to shave their legs. Perhaps that was only that one congregation, though.
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Puritans were pretty restrictive. Cromwell's Puritans, anyway. No Christmas, dancing, bright clothing...
I actually don't know much about Puritanism. They seem pretty humourless and opposed to fun.
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Jehovah's Witnesses -
-LGBT equality: LGBT would be expelled from the church.
-Gender equality: Women restricted from all positions of leadership. Not allowed to "teach" in the congregation. Must be in submission to males. Unable to hold most responsibilities in congregations.
-Alcohol rules: Can drink. Repeatedly drinking to excess/getting drunk would be expelled from the church.
-Drug use: Drug use would be grounds for expulsion.
-Clothing: No official rules. Must dress modestly and not follow worldly fashions. When attending religious meetings business dress is required. Women may not wear pants. Men not permitted to have beard, long hair.
-Practices
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Holiness Christians require women to wear skirts, have long hair, no alcohol, they pretty much can't do anything from the one that I knew, of course she also was very holier than thou, which I thought fit with the title of her beliefs. But they might not all be like that...
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Closed Brethern - at least in the UK
I'm not sure they call themselves closed but having been a member for a couple of years I'm comfortable describing what I attended as closed. Though I have to say - the only reason I consider them closed is because they would not allow non-members to take part in communion. My family joined that particular church when I was a teenager and then left after the church refused to allow Christian visitors to share communion with them. In some ways my familes reaction seems extreme to me after so many years and in others it seems reasonable. Christ did not restrict his covenant to a select group of his followers so why should we?
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You aren't the only one with Brethren background! My grandmother was unable to take communion with my family (just my family) when she visited, because her assembly is closed and we've been attending a non-denominational church and taking communion there. Even though there is no doctrinal reason my grandparents cannot be in fellowship with us! I cried about it, but I can't ask her to go against her local assembly.
So there is definitely some odd (even unBiblical?) restrictiveness in the Brethren movement, as in all, I suppose. No one is perfect, certainly.
(US Brethren, BTW. Unfortunately for my family, we live on the east coast, and the only assembly anywhere close is of the same splinter as my grandmother's, and my parents left that splinter nearly two decades ago.)
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Errr cheese all this makes me glad I grew up southern baPtist in my grandfathers church is a by strict women can't be in charge but could teach Sunday school. Me I got to a church called the refuge in Lubbock Texas not sure the denomination dot care. I love Jesus to me that's what matters
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Plymouth Brethen, a British based religion, don't do tv, alcohol, smoking or even modern pop music. The may have changed since I was a christian, a number of years ago.
I'm happy to be pagan now.
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I met some strange people on facebook one time, who I *thought* were Bible believing Christians. We had many things in common. Then all of a sudden the lady started posting very racist things. Come to find out, some people label themselves as Kinists. They claim to be Christian, yet are very racists. Think KKK, and such. Here's a wiki page about them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinism
For the record, I de-friended them. I am multiracial! haha
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Don't forget about Latter-Day Saints.
-LGBT equality - Individuals may be accepting, but church culture and dogma states that being gay is sinful.
-Racial equality - Officially and often practically, there is racial equality -- but the church culture is (at least in America) largely white. This may vary from stake to stake, but I've always belong to predominately white stakes and I've seen issues with non-white members being glossed over -- particularly non-English speaking members. In my last ward, we had a substantial Hmong population but we rarely had Hmong missionaries so non-English speaking members often felt left out.
-Gender equality - Again, this may vary from individual to individual, but church culture is that women are baby-makers and home-makers. This is always presented in the most loving, and honoring way possible--but it can still be problematic for individuals who have no desire to be baby- or home-makers, or for individuals who do not have the capability to be baby- or home-makers. You can check out the web site Feminist Mormon Housewives for some thoughts about this if you wish to pursue it.
-Alcohol rules - Alcohol is prohibited
-Drug use - Recreational drug use is prohibited. Medicinal drug use is accepted, but abuse is not and I suspect that medicinal marijuana would not be accepted either.
-Clothing - Church culture is that men wear suits and ties, and women wear dresses. Further, modesty is preached strongly and enforced in a sort of way. I grew up Catholic, not LDS. I wore halter tops and tank tops and tube tops and strapless dresses frequently as a teen and young woman. Those are strongly discouraged and often seen as immodest in LDS culture. Modesty isn't quite taken to the extremes that it was in centuries past, but they have a very strict sense of modesty in comparison to today's standards of acceptability.
-Practices - Temple attendance. Segregating the men from the women during sunday school. Frequent "interviews" with church leaders. Tithing. Monthly fasting. There's probably much more.
If you want to 'borrow' any LDS church culture for your book, feel free to ask me about anything! I was raised Catholic, studied Wicca and Vedanta, then converted to LDS, so I've got some kind of non-standard views and don't exactly fit in as a Molly Mormon. In fact, I haven't attended church regularly in almost a year now. But I've observed a lot. There are things I don't love about church culture, but there are things I do still love about the church and I don't consider myself an ex-Mo.
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How about Roman Catholicism before Vatican II?
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There's been a lot said about Jehovah's Witnesses already but I don't think anyone had mentioned that they are also suppose to be prohibited from involvement with non-witnesses, beyond the context of Mission and they should also avoid any connections with politics (because the Second Coming is imminent enough that they should be focussed on the world to come).
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Eastern Orthodox here.
LGBT: considered a sin but no worse than any other
racial equality: important and accepted
Gender equality: yes, but not to the interhange of jobs within the church. Men are priests and deacons, women teach
Alcohol: like food, not to excess
drug use: only what is prescribed by a doctor, otherwise it's a sin
Clothing: nothing that draws attention to oneself, such as t shirts with slogans on them. But this isn't a sin, just not something usually done.
One main practice of Orthodoxy is the Fast. There are two rules:
1. If the doctor says you must eat something, eat, even if it's on the fasting list
2. It is better to consider the feelings of others than to keep to the "guidelines" So if someone offers you something during a fast that doesn't fit, you don't fast.
Other than that, Wednesdays and Fridays are normal fast days fasting from meat (hamburgers, chicken etc) oils, wine and dairy products. Unless (1) or (2) come into play And there are some days when fish is permitted and somethimers when it isn't
There are also some weeks when fasting is forbidden and some months when you're supposed to. The Sunday of the Pharisee and the Publican is one week when fasting is forbidden.
This Sunday is "Meat Fare", the last day for eating meat during Lent. The Sunday after that is "Cheese Fare" after which comes Clean Monday when the Lenten fast begins.
There is also the Advent Fast which isn't as strict as Lent or the Dormition fast or the Apostles.
When you fast and when you don't and what you fast and what you don't is deliberately complicated so no one can think of themselves as pious from fasting. Fsting is not a virtue; eating is not a sin. Fasting is instead an exercise like in a gymn
I'm sure I'll think of other practices after I've posted.
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I have a knack for finding the least [insert denomination] church of its denomination, so I actually don't know about Methodism, which is technically the denomination of the church I go to now. I do know, however, that while women are allowed to be ordained, they have something of a DADT policy for their pastors.