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benning
93662 words so far Winner!

Well, here it is! The Forum thread I open each Nano. :D If you want to "do" Nano, but want to be among friends and acquaintances, this is the place! So reply to the thread, and finagle the "Subject" to make a new title for your reply. If you want to post within this thread it has to be as a reply. Otherwise you'll end up posting out there, in Nano-Land somewhere. LOL

Welcome to Nanowrimo, Friends! Whoo-Hoo! :D

plotweaver
56184 words so far Winner!

Thanks, Benning!

I am so looking forward to doing NaNo alongside all the wonderful writers from F2K!

plotweaver/hilandmum

benning
93662 words so far Winner!

Hey, mum! Love the donation halo! :D Whoo-Hoo!

hesaluckdragon
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Hey Benning!

So the gang will all be here hopefully1 And we will all support each other on this great NaNo adventure.

I can hardly wait until Nov. 1 to begin...of course, I am now busting my behind to finish my current novel before then!!!

Michelle/hesaluckdragon!!

benning 7 months ago

Michelle!

benning
93662 words so far Winner!

Michelle, only 5 days to go! So get ready! Whoo-Hoo! :D

TheHorridGirl
50190 words so far Winner!

Ha! Finally figuring this place out... Again...

benning 7 months ago

Horrid!

benning
93662 words so far Winner!

And as soon as you get used to the place ... they'll change it around again. ;)

Silby
5213 words so far

I am here, in the hope that I might finally finish my blessed novel. It is not much further on than it was this time last year! Bad Silby! :(

I'm looking forward to sharing the experience with you all. It's nice to see so many friends. Good luck every one! :)

Silby. :)

benning
93662 words so far Winner!

Silby, I expect to see you finish the bloody thing! LOL :D

Silby
5213 words so far

I really hope so, because I have 3 more in the pipeline waiting! I reckon I have about another 20,000 words to go on this one and then I'll get stuck into the third. Oh my goodness, I'm getting giddy just at the prospect of moving on. lol.

Janet Tabares
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Hi Benning!

I've done F2K before and am finishing it up this time around again, but - instead of being able to concentrate on the lessons, I keep coming up with stuff for Nano instead. Sigh! I have a really good idea, but don't want to use parts of it on the lessons because it would almost feel like cheating on Nano.

Anyway, good to see you here!

benning 7 months ago

Janet!

benning
93662 words so far Winner!

Janet, it's good to see you here! Now you can use your Nano ideas. Use 'em! Use 'em! :D

Malekia
103157 words so far Winner!

I'm here Ben. After a "gentle shove" I might add! LOL

Ezmiralda
100737 words so far Winner!

I see you! :)

Malekia
103157 words so far Winner!

Hi Ez! Great to see you made it! :)

Ezmiralda
100737 words so far Winner!

I uploaded but I don't know if it worked! Do you see my picture?

Ezmiralda
100737 words so far Winner!

Yes I see it! :)

benning
93662 words so far Winner!

You'll enjoy it, Jess. :D

lindainalabama
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i'm here!

hello gang!

linda in bama

Malekia
103157 words so far Winner!

Linda!!!! Great to see you!!!!

benning 7 months ago

Linda!

benning
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All ready to write? :D Whoo-Hoo!

Hey, nice Donation Halo! :)

lengel
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Greetings, thank you, and welcome right back to all of you.

Am I wrong, or was it just October First five minutes ago? Didn't we have a month to get organized? Today's the 15th, and half a month is far better than none. Today is the day I start mapping things out.... Last year was my first nano and I forgot to have my antagonist emerge clearly until the third act! Maybe it was a Mystery Fantasy? LOL!

What an excellent creative and learning experience this is. I'm very much looking forward to my second time up to bat, and I am thrilled to be in such good, merry, encouraging company!

Wishing you all well. However you choose to go through it: planner, pantser, or a combination, it's a life-changing experience finding out that you can do it. You can write! A lot!

All best wishes,
Leslie

benning
93662 words so far Winner!

Leslie, YOU can write, too! ;)

Write, and get healthy! Whoo-Hoo! :D

SBess84
50764 words so far Winner!

Greetings to my fellow F2Kers. :) Great to have such an amazing support group as we all tackle 50,000 words. Last year, I was pretty isolated and didn't make it. This year, I think I have a rousing chance of success! :)

I've done 3Day Novel contest twice already, so this should be easy right? Then why do I feel so nervous? Excited, but nervous?

benning 7 months ago

SBess!

benning
93662 words so far Winner!

SBess, no reason to be nervous ... you're among friends. :D

Silby
5213 words so far

Great to see you here. It's much more fun being in a group. Good luck! :)

canary888
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Thanks Benning, for setting up the thread.
11 days!!!

benning 7 months ago

Canary!

benning
93662 words so far Winner!

5 days, And some hours, to go! *tweet!* :D

Mamatua
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Thanks Benning - You rock, as usual! Here's a 5 lb bag of M&Ms for you!

benning
93662 words so far Winner!

Thanky, mama! Cool Donation Halo! Wheee! :)

laughingpaws
84257 words so far Winner!

HI Guys,

Thanks for setting this up again benning. The M-n-M truck should be arriving in your driveway soon. I can't wait to get started! This year I actually have an outline to follow. Impressed?

Wags- Juls

benning
93662 words so far Winner!

I am impressed, Juls! How's Wags? :D

Love the Donation Halo! ;)

laughingpaws
84257 words so far Winner!

Wags- Cordy- passed away on Sept 28-so this is my first solo NaNo. It's all good, he was almost 15 years old, perfectly happy, went in his own time, had an amazingly fantastic life and he was in my arms. Anyway, it's good to be back!

Juls

benning 7 months ago

:(

benning
93662 words so far Winner!

Awww, Juls, I'm sorry. :(

We'll miss Wags a lot!

laughingpaws 7 months ago

Re: :(

laughingpaws
84257 words so far Winner!

Thanks benning,

Me too but I can get his book written for him-FINALLY! That's the plan at least. I even have an outline this time. A real one and everything. It's kind of freaking me out but I can always ditch it and pretend it never existed. But right now all I want to do is get started. I'm jumping at the gate this time.

Juls

benning
93662 words so far Winner!

The Buddies list has reappeared! LOL

Looks different than the previous versions, but it's here! :D

ProphetNoir
51976 words so far Winner!

I was happy to find out that I wouldn't need to track down the handful of buddies again. It's a good thing Linda put together that list back at F2K though.

All of mine are present and accounted for ... I think

B

benning 7 months ago

Midnight Tonight!

benning
93662 words so far Winner!

As I said of my Facebook Wall: "Working on the outline, timeline, and character list for Nanowrimo. The Writing Month begins at midnight! "

It's almost time to begin! So eat some Halloween candy at 11:59 tonight ... and come out typing! :D

benning 7 months ago

I started! Yeah!

benning
93662 words so far Winner!

Okay, it's only 914 words so far, but it's early. I expect to get a lot more done before work begins, this afternoon. So I updated my word count, and the Novel info. A bad synopsis, and a snippet from the start.

Have YOU started? Got your coffee or tea?

Write On, Friends! Whoo-Hoo! :D

BWKeller
50208 words so far Winner!

I did 420 words this morning in a half hour, but it is time for work now. Back at it tonight. Also, as luck would have it, my wife is leaving for a week starting tomorrow morning, so I hope to knock out half of my novel in the next week. Well, that's the plan anyway!

klasskat
1898 words so far

a long list of F2K alumni -- I feel honored to step into the room -- but I'll be pretty quiet - the lights of nano focus jumped on today - klasskat - AKA hawkseye - AKA judyb

benning
93662 words so far Winner!

Okay, 600 or so, this morning. Now on to the coffee! LOL I have an early account - I head out at 11AM - and home by 4PM. And then I'll be back to the keyboard for more writing. :)

Scenes in my mind, dialogue in my ears ... yeah, I can do it. AND SO CAN YOU!!! :D

Ezmiralda
100737 words so far Winner!

Hi.
I'm trying to get adjusted to Nano.
I see a place called Excerpt where we're supposed to put our writing. But it doesn't seem to be the place where we put our writing. I'm a little confused there. Where do we put our writing? Is it only at the end? And the excerpt is not that long. An excerpt isn't suppose to be that long, but since it was the only place I could put my writing, that's where I put it. Can someone direct me please?
In this group, are we suppose to hit reply to the last person or if we want to start something new where do we go?
You see? :) I'm a little lost in this thing. This is all new to me.
Can someone direct me please? I feel like a blind person here! :)
Thank you and have a nice day everyone. And especially, enjoy your writing! :)

Meheart826
1414 words so far

Hello all!!

I finally remembered to look for the forum now that they are up and running.
Better late than never, right?
I'm having an awful time getting started on my novel. Ugh! It's so slow starting out. I can't wait to get to the exciting part.

Well, good luck everyone and I'll see ya 'round!
Bridget

Ravenne
38000 words so far

oops. I'm wandering in here very late. Damn GPS. I was right around the corner and then a voice told me to take a right turn....

Oh well, that's a story for another time. Glad to see you leading the charge once again, B.

Raven

laughingpaws
84257 words so far Winner!

YAY! Raven's Here! YA HOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

Wags- Juls

Ravenne
38000 words so far

Jules,

I just read the post about cordy passing away. I'm so sorry. He's always going to be a memory kept because he was part of our writing crowd. :) Our companions are so precious. Abend and Matrix are still with me. And Abend's scar is invisible now. Best 3,000 I ever spent.

My dad passed away in August after on and off again illness. I'm still trying to get things back together. Day by day, right?

Glad to see you here!


Raven

laughingpaws
84257 words so far Winner!

THANKS! And I am SO SORRY about your dad! Please let me know if there is Any way that I can help.

Trust me, His Highness is in FULL control of the writing of his book. Every time I sit down to write I know exactly where I'm going and how I'm going to get there and then something entirely different shows up on the screen. It's been a truly bizarre month. LOL

I was taking a break to look at Petfinder just now and we may be heading to Ontario for a visit. There's a rescue there that takes in dogs from the Northern Territory where bad things happen to them and I'm very intrigued about that. I'll know the boys when I see them but right now I'm thinking there might be a road trip in our near future.

The plan is to get the Land of Yay finished in the next five days and then take December off. Well off other than from my paid writing jobs and going puppy hunting, so I guess off from writing on LOY. Then in January, I'll start editing. My goal is to have it submission ready by the first part of March.

Wanna be a Beta reader? PLEASE? I'll bring it up to you and take you out for coffee or even a whole lunch. :-)

Give the furred ones a big hug and kiss from me and truly, if you need to talk or just have someone listen, I'm here.

Wags- Juls

benning
93662 words so far Winner!

Okay, I've uploaded my avatar, and "started" my novel. And right now it's merely an idea; something I expect to shoehorn into the same SF universe as "Flight of the Valkyrie" and "Space Pirate". We'll see how that goes, eh?

Malekia
103157 words so far Winner!

Ha ha, I have TWO words for my novel... "Goal... 50,000" :) It's going to be a slow process, but the ideas are solid. :D
What the mind can conceive and believe, the body will achieve!

benning
93662 words so far Winner!

And I believe I'll make another burrito! :D

benning
93662 words so far Winner!

By the way, if you want a Halo - and why wouldn't you? - click on the Donation link, above. Donate at least $10 to Nano, and you earn a Halo! Donations are what keep the site running. So go ahead! Donate! :D

cinderella1800
52893 words so far Winner!

Thanks for the Donation plug, Benning - you're great!!

Alison

ML for Canada::Ontario::Parry Sound & Area
Moderator for Writing Groups and Clubs

benning 7 months ago

Cinderella!

benning
93662 words so far Winner!

Hey, I does what I cans! ;)

Malekia
103157 words so far Winner!

I think my devil horns pushed my halo away.... OR it could have been that I donated anonymously. Either way... doesn't matter. :)

ProphetNoir
51976 words so far Winner!

Hello Benning and a belated Happy Birthday from me to you.

Thanks again for bringing the F2K experience over to NaNo.
I now have a bunch of writing buddies whom I have never met but who, nonetheless, have been most instrumental in my successfully completing the F2K classes.

Let's see if we can do the same for each other here.

ProphetNoir aka Benton on F2K/WVU

benning 7 months ago

Benton!

benning
93662 words so far Winner!

Benton, we're all in this together. :D Write On! :)

Starstryder
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Hello Benning and Benton :)

benning 7 months ago

Starstryder!

benning
93662 words so far Winner!

Hi, Star! Onward and upward! :D

Silby
5213 words so far

Hi, Great to see you here. Hope you're all geared up and ready to go! lol. :)

jthornbrugh
50165 words so far Winner!

Hello Benning!

Thanks for starting this thread. I can hardly wait to get started.

Hello to all my other F2K classmates :)

-Josh

benning
93662 words so far Winner!

Hi, Josh! That Donation Halo looks jaunty. ;)

5 days to go! Whoo-Hoo!

Thewordyogi

Hi Kids! Nice to see you here already - it won't be long!!!!

:) :) :)

~ Joan

P.S. Benning!!! I missed your birthday???? HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!!

Thewordyogi

OH! I just realized I forgot to mention I'm Jcaska at F2K WVU!!!!

:)

benning 7 months ago

Joan!

benning
93662 words so far Winner!

Just a few days longer! Whoo-Hoo! :D

yvonnerupert

Hi Writers!!!! Happy Writing to ALL!!!!

(((hugs)))
Von :)
P.S. I'm not sure if I can participate this year, but I'll definitely be here to cheer you all on to victory!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Malekia
103157 words so far Winner!

Hi Von!!! I had a "gentle shove" getting me here. LOL, just kidding. I'm really going to attempt to complete it. If I do, great! If I don't that's okay too. At least I know I can say I gave it my all. I did not sign up for anything for the month of Nov. @ W.V.U.
~Malekia/Jess

benning 7 months ago

Von!

benning
93662 words so far Winner!

I hope you're feeling better, Von, and healing up nicely. :D

Great Mentoring, this session! :)

TheHorridGirl
50190 words so far Winner!

Hello, Everyone!

canary888
11039 words so far

Hi Horrid Girl/DeLaVega!
Ready??

TheHorridGirl
50190 words so far Winner!

Ready, No. Excited, YES!

lonelyfilly
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Hey, everybody!

LadyDanger/lonelyfilly

benning 7 months ago

lonelyfilly!

benning
93662 words so far Winner!

LadyD! Okay, it's only 5 days to go. Ready? :D

tantus.amor.scribendi
75444 words so far Winner!

Hi all.

Nice to see you in Nano! I'm excited to write write write this November!

Kelsie (kmengen in F2K, tantus_amor_scribendi in WVU)

Janet Tabares
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Hey, Kelsie!

benning 7 months ago

Kelsie!

benning
93662 words so far Winner!

Ready to rumble? Almost time to begin! :D Whoo-Hoo!

canary888
11039 words so far

Hi Kelsie!
This is so cool getting to keep up with my F2K friends.

tantus.amor.scribendi
75444 words so far Winner!

Hey all--thanks for the greetings!

@Janet--Hey there! Glad to see you over on Nano!

@Canary--it will be wonderful to continue our writing friendships from F2K to Nano!

@Benning--I AM ready! I'm really excited about getting started on November first. I've probably planned more for this novel than any other I've worked on...hopefully that bodes well for this piece! (or, like in most cases, I may just throw my outline out the window as soon as I start writing! We'll see!)

benning 8 months ago

WOW!

benning
93662 words so far Winner!

Look at all these writers! And more to come, too! Yeah! :D

Jann
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Hi Everyone,

I am looking forward to writing in November too.

benning 7 months ago

Jann!

benning
93662 words so far Winner!

Great, Jann! Only a few days left, and then you WRITE! Whoo-Hoo! :D

tantus.amor.scribendi
75444 words so far Winner!

Hey there, Jann! Glad to see you over here!
~Kelsie

Scruffitude
50344 words so far Winner!

Hello everyone. I'll be doing this for the first time. I have an idea in mind so I guess that's a start.
Looking forward to this. :D

benning 7 months ago

Scruff!

benning
93662 words so far Winner!

First time is the scariest. But you're with friends, so there's nary a thing to fear. Well, 'cept that I WILL take your M&Ms! Whoo-Hoo! :D

Silby
5213 words so far

I'm glad you have joined us. It will be nice to work with you again. All the best. :)

Pyewacket75
50272 words so far Winner!

Hey everyone! :) This is my second year and I have a plot just BEGGING to get out....I keep telling it...only 11 more days...whether it listens...I dunno.

TheHorridGirl
50190 words so far Winner!

11 days... OMG! That soon!

~DeLaVega

benning 7 months ago

Pye!

benning
93662 words so far Winner!

Now it's 5 days, Pye. The begging is nearly over. ;) WHeeee!

Pyewacket75 7 months ago

Re: Pye!

Pyewacket75
50272 words so far Winner!

Good thing too...my head feels like it's about to explode from the pressure! ;) *Grabs skull* FIVE MORE DAYS...Please have mercy! *pulls hair out* I'm a mini-boss for the Vancouver region of NaNo (called Vancowrimo) so I'll be regulating the IRC for there and holding word wars :)

ProphetNoir
51976 words so far Winner!

Is anyone else going through F2K withdrawal?

I want to transition from there to here, but I always go there first and just hang around all day. Also i am not really a fan of the non-linear posting over here. It kind of makes it a chore to find the new posts.
Anyone else having a bit of a time getting used to this?

While I am whining, when will my writing buddy list get sorted out? I know, I know it will be all good soon.

I am just chomping at the bit to get started and my sense of honor won't let me take a head start on the 'NoWri' part of NaNoWriMo.

Benton

TheHorridGirl
50190 words so far Winner!

Yes, I have withdrawal!
I'm getting antsy to start writing...

SBess84
50764 words so far Winner!

Definitely going through withdrawal. I keep checking just to make sure there isn't a surprise seventh lesson...I'm obsessed. :P

Mamatua
58171 words so far Winner!

I keep checking in too. Miss my Maddie pals!

Malekia
103157 words so far Winner!

Miss ya too!!! :) Sorry I had to leave so early. But, I'm still around.
~Lifs/Jess

hesaluckdragon
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Yes, I'm in major withdrawal right now! That's why I'm here, looking for some sort of trouble to get into!!!

Michelle

Silby
5213 words so far

Hi Michelle, good luck with this. Does this mean you have another novel up your sleeve? :)

canary888
11039 words so far

I definitely like the posting format on F2K better.
I did notice yesterday that they at least added a "my forum comments" tab under the forums.
That's making it a little easier.

BWKeller
50208 words so far Winner!

Jonesin' here.

ProphetNoir
51976 words so far Winner!

... and we apparently cannot edit our own posts here either!

OK I'm through. Gonna go look for some cheese to go with my whine.

Benton

benning
93662 words so far Winner!

I bet there's some sort of time-limit on editing. But who knows? Maybe an "Edit" button will appear before the start. :)

canary888
11039 words so far

Hello all!

benning 7 months ago

Canary!

benning
93662 words so far Winner!

Hi! :D

BWKeller
50208 words so far Winner!

Hello to all my F2K friends. I was going to write my Arizona novel, but since I started some of it on F2K I guess I can't to it here. So, something new will have to be worked out, something dark and violent, with lots of action...hmmmm...

benning
93662 words so far Winner!

BW, just don't use what you've already worked on - written - there's much more to write, right? So pick up where you left off, or start at the beginning. :)

BWKeller
50208 words so far Winner!

Well, to be honest, most of what I wrote in F2K would have to be scrapped anyway, I was trying to keep within the word count limits and what I wrote as 1500 words would have actually been 5,000-10,000 in the novel. There are only a couple of paragraphs that would remain untouched. maybe I'll just keep those out and rewrite the rest as I would actually like it to go. And of course, it is still just a small part of the whole. Thanks Benning; now I have two choces for nano and a week to pick one.

ProphetNoir
51976 words so far Winner!

It's great to have you here Barry. Unless your novel in progress is actually finished, there's no reason that you can't continue writing on it. NaNoWriMo is an honor system challenge with yourself, and the prize is self satisfaction. As long as you know that you wrote 50K new words you will not have broken any rules. I don't expect to write a full novel in just 50K words. I do expect to write 50K words of my novel though. Plus much of my F2K work occurs in the middle of my novel, and I haven't written a word of what happened before or after anything that I submitted there.

Whatever you decide to do, I reiterate; It's great to have you here.

Benton

BWKeller
50208 words so far Winner!

Benton! Happy to have found you here.

I have a half-completed outline and three chapters written. Of that I will keep a couple of paragraphs and toss the rest. It was written about six years ago and my style has progressed as have my ideas. As soon as I figure out what the rest of the outline is, I will have a roadmap of where I am at least going. F2K helped some in that area for sure.

-Barry

ProphetNoir
51976 words so far Winner!

Barry,

There is no question in my mind that F2K helped me a great deal as a writer as well as preparing me to participate in this year's NaNoWriMo.
How do you feel about novel writing software? I, for one, never really gave it a lot of thought but I did check out the sponser's forum and there are a couple of free trials there that look promising. Long story short, I downloaded Scrivener for Windows about a month ago and it really does a great job of organizing things with the least intrusive set of features.
If you are working in Word only, it couldn't hurt to have a look at what these programs have to offer.
I used to think that if a feather and an inkpot were good enough for Shakespeare and Dumas, then why not me. Now I think that they would have given anything for the conveniences of a word processor.

B

BWKeller
50208 words so far Winner!

Benton,

In the past I have used either Word or Movie Magic Screenwriter 2000. If I am just chugging something out, Word is fine, if I want to outline on cards Movie Magic works well. However, I also downloaded Scrivener for Windows and have worked my way through the tutorial. Seems interesting and it has a screenplay mode and holy crap, it is about 1/10th the price of Movie Magic. The import and export functions seem adequate and I usually have to create folders on my hard drive and in my favorites for reference material and it is nice that I can put all of that into the program instead.

I also looked at Pangurd because it is online and would allow access while not at home, but I think I will be doing most of my work at home, so not sure it is really needed.

I started an oultine years ago for my story in Movie Magic and will move that over to Scrivener this weekend and flesh it out a bit, OK, a whole lot.

So far I have told about 20 people that I am dong the NaNo; not one of them had ever heard of it.

-Barry

laughingpaws
84257 words so far Winner!

HI,

I LOVE Scrivner. I've been working on the Beta's for the Windows version all year and I LOVE it! It's only going to be like $20 when it launches-if you win at NaNo and write the 50,000 words. Totally worth it and if there's something that you want, that it doesn't have yet, just drop the guys a note and they usually add it in for the next release.

Just in case you wanted an unbiased view. :-) Hi, I'm Juls.

Wags

sidhekat
50182 words so far Winner!

I think I'm the only person not inspired/impressed with Scriviner that I know. I still fall back on Power Writer for creative projects. I only use Word for final formatting and writing web content - to me it's just too - something - business like, maybe. Did try out a new software called My Novel, not bad, but it doesn't have the features of Power Writer.

That said tho, if'n I win NaNo this year, I will probably take the Scrivener folks up on their half-price offer. Who knows, my style may someday mesh with it. :)

Kat

ProphetNoir
51976 words so far Winner!

Barry,

I was going to dust off my Final Draft software when I decided to give Scrivener a look also. I guess I could rail over the cost difference but at the time I made the investment in Final Draft 8, Scrivener was still a Mac only product that i had never heard of. I like Final Draft a lot for screenwriting, but Scrivener has really impressed with it's ability to work wee without getting in my way. It really is a bargain even at full price when compared FD8 or MM 2000; and I got even FD at a sizable discount through a screenwriting class I took.

Hey whatever's free to look at is worth looking at!

I haven't tried to move anything of mine into Scrivener yet, let us know how that works out for you.

The only people that know I am doing NaNo are here doing it with me.

Silby
5213 words so far

I'm working on the second half of my book. I have highlighted what is already written in red so I know that any writing in black is new and will count towards my total. I think ideally they would like you to start something new, but to be honest I need the rush that NANO gives you to get the blessed thing finished. I wrote the first 50,000 last year, so here's hoping that I write the last 50,000 next month!

darbis1
39075 words so far

Greetings one and all (unless you have split personality disorder then you would be "two" and all.) I am her once again. This will be the second time for me and I don't even have an outline yet! You could call it "writing dangerously" perhaps, but like the pressure. Once I start writing though, there will be flames coming off this keyboard. I can't wait to read snippits from ya all, so in the immortal words of an immortal:" Let the Games begin!!!!"

benning 7 months ago

Brad!

benning
93662 words so far Winner!

Hi! Welcome!

TheHorridGirl
50190 words so far Winner!

Hi darbis!
No outline? I don't think i could do that.


~DeLaVega

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