People Who Oppose HHS Mandate

A group for individuals who oppose the new mandate from United States Department of Health and Human Services that forces people of faith to pay for contraception, abortifacients, and sterilization despite their religious beliefs that condemn it. This is a direct violation of the First Amendment.

For those interested, this is the statement from the USCCB on it: http://usccb.org/news/2012/12-026.cfm

Please sign this petition https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#!/petition/rescind-hhs-mandate-requiring-catholic-institutions-provide-insurance-covering-contraception-their/mG8SwXxj

Good graphics to spread around: http://www.stpeterslist.com/3834/i-stand-with-the-catholic-church-10-pictures-in-defense-of-the-church/

So... you'd rather pay the much greater costs of caring for abandoned children and writing off the medical bills of women who couldn't afford to abort and were therefore forced to give birth?

Part of living in a society is that you support that society financially. You might not benefit personally from every single penny that is spent, you might not even agree with all of the things it is spent on, but that's the way it works. If you don't like it, why don't you go and live somewhere where the government doesn't pay for those things?

So... you'd rather pay the much greater costs of caring for abandoned children and writing off the medical bills of women who couldn't afford to abort and were therefore forced to give birth?

Frankly, yes. I have absolutely no moral qualms about doing that.

Why should Catholic Institutions be forced to paid for insurance that covers things they consider to be evil? That violates First Amendment. Case closed. If you consider it "imposing" to suggest we should actually follow the Constitution, perhaps you can go live somewhere else.

Nope. The Church doesn't have to pay for insurance at all. Not a First Amendment issue. Case closed. ;->

And it offends *my* moral sensibilities to see women denied abortions and to be forced to pay for unwanted children, come to think of it.


(I think that if you're unwilling to learn enough about both the Constitution and the legislation, you're not much of a citizen, whether you choose to stay or go,)

The Church doesn't have to pay for it now due to the "compromise," but if I'm not mistaken, they still would have to provide the services.

So yeah, I oppose the mandate.

That's not what the compromise did. Let me give you an example. So imagine a mandate that mandates all Jewish restaurants provide bacon. Now, the Jewish restaurants make a big stink about it, and so they change it - all Jewish restaurants have to pay for other Gentile restaurants to provide bacon. That's pretty much what's happened with this.

This is what the bishops have to say on it http://usccb.org/news/2012/12-026.cfm I mean really, if all 181 diocesan bishops come out and say: you're making us do something against our religious principles... then you are. So case closed. To try and say "no we're not" is just insulting. You're making us do something against our religious beliefs. And so we're not going to do it. Case closed.

It seriously offends my moral sensibilities to claim that women should be able to have their children killed simply because they're
inconvenient.

Hi folks, we already have several threads where this would be more appropriate. Note that this forum is more for social gatherings, rather than promotion of political interests. You are welcome to add your comments to one of the existing pro-life/pro-choice threads (whichever suits your particular beliefs) but since this is essentially the same subject matter, we don't really need a separate thread for it.

Thanks!