Why do I hate love?

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Oct 13, 2008 - 04 33

I've just been doing some brainstorming and have realised that the "dark moment" in my story, the point where the lead decides his life is utterly crap, is when another character confesses they love him. Not any of the moments where he's having something actually bad happen to him, oh no, he takes those in his stride (just about.) But someone says "I love you" and he's all "oh, I'm going to run off home to my ball-breaking mother and let her crush my soul again."

What the hell kind of love-hating freak am I?

/rant

I actually kinda love this idea for the story, but it does make me wonder about myself. :D
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Oct 13, 2008 - 05 46

Lol. Well I equal parts hate and love love, so you're not the only one out there. Sounds like an interesting story anyways :D

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Oct 13, 2008 - 06 14

Maybe it's not love I hate, maybe it's happiness. Yes, that could be it. I like the characters to be in love, just as long as it's unrequited, or impossible, or generally doomed! I sometimes have happy endings to my stories, but the characters usually have to suffer plenty to get them! :D

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Oct 13, 2008 - 07 15

I'm pretty much the same way. It's not so much that I actually hate love (at least in my stories), but I just think "Why does it have to be there? Seriously, what purpose does it serve?" Oh, and I'm not that good writing about it in the first place, so that might not help my case.

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Eh, the way the term gets defined by civilization is a flimsy veneer over a collection of things of absurd complexity, and the way we look at it is designed to give you horrible guilt at some point. 'Love' as it gets defined tends to fade, but you LOVE this person so you're BAD and WICKED for not feeling like swooning when walking near them. Heck, studies have shown that what people call love is actually three things: infatuation (that swooning sensation, tends to fade quickly and often equates with basic lust), romantic love (which most people define as Real Love) which fades with long-term familiarity, and partner-bonding, which is that 'comfortable familiarity' that is the apex of successful and happy relationships in most cases, ideal for the raising of future generations.

We, as a species, are seriously screwed up in the head, with all the crazy emphasis we put on this kind of thing that only serves the purpose of passing on the genetic code. Seriously, that's it, the whole reason. Your DNA's selfish desire to propagate is responsible for the Trojan War, domestic violence, Romeo and Juliet, and all that other narcissistic tripe.

Go for it, make your people-in-love suffer. It's probably not any worse than what they'd do a few years down the road on their own.

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Oct 14, 2008 - 01 22

Kassil wrote:
Eh, the way the term gets defined by civilization is a flimsy veneer over a collection of things of absurd complexity, and the way we look at it is designed to give you horrible guilt at some point. 'Love' as it gets defined tends to fade, but you LOVE this person so you're BAD and WICKED for not feeling like swooning when walking near them. Heck, studies have shown that what people call love is actually three things: infatuation (that swooning sensation, tends to fade quickly and often equates with basic lust), romantic love (which most people define as Real Love) which fades with long-term familiarity, and partner-bonding, which is that 'comfortable familiarity' that is the apex of successful and happy relationships in most cases, ideal for the raising of future generations.

We, as a species, are seriously screwed up in the head, with all the crazy emphasis we put on this kind of thing that only serves the purpose of passing on the genetic code. Seriously, that's it, the whole reason. Your DNA's selfish desire to propagate is responsible for the Trojan War, domestic violence, Romeo and Juliet, and all that other narcissistic tripe.

Go for it, make your people-in-love suffer. It's probably not any worse than what they'd do a few years down the road on their own.

I hereby hand you the Cynicism Award for special services to the dispelling of the myths of love and romance. You probably just killed 5 puppies and three babies with sheer power of negative thought. *claps*

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BlackEyedGirl wrote:
Kassil wrote:
Eh, the way the term gets defined by civilization is a flimsy veneer over a collection of things of absurd complexity, and the way we look at it is designed to give you horrible guilt at some point. 'Love' as it gets defined tends to fade, but you LOVE this person so you're BAD and WICKED for not feeling like swooning when walking near them. Heck, studies have shown that what people call love is actually three things: infatuation (that swooning sensation, tends to fade quickly and often equates with basic lust), romantic love (which most people define as Real Love) which fades with long-term familiarity, and partner-bonding, which is that 'comfortable familiarity' that is the apex of successful and happy relationships in most cases, ideal for the raising of future generations.

We, as a species, are seriously screwed up in the head, with all the crazy emphasis we put on this kind of thing that only serves the purpose of passing on the genetic code. Seriously, that's it, the whole reason. Your DNA's selfish desire to propagate is responsible for the Trojan War, domestic violence, Romeo and Juliet, and all that other narcissistic tripe.

Go for it, make your people-in-love suffer. It's probably not any worse than what they'd do a few years down the road on their own.

I hereby hand you the Cynicism Award for special services to the dispelling of the myths of love and romance. You probably just killed 5 puppies and three babies with sheer power of negative thought. *claps*

"The question is not who will let me, but who is going to stop me." -Ayn Rand

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PenGryphon2007 wrote:
BlackEyedGirl wrote:
Kassil wrote:
Eh, the way the term gets defined by civilization is a flimsy veneer over a collection of things of absurd complexity, and the way we look at it is designed to give you horrible guilt at some point. 'Love' as it gets defined tends to fade, but you LOVE this person so you're BAD and WICKED for not feeling like swooning when walking near them. Heck, studies have shown that what people call love is actually three things: infatuation (that swooning sensation, tends to fade quickly and often equates with basic lust), romantic love (which most people define as Real Love) which fades with long-term familiarity, and partner-bonding, which is that 'comfortable familiarity' that is the apex of successful and happy relationships in most cases, ideal for the raising of future generations.

We, as a species, are seriously screwed up in the head, with all the crazy emphasis we put on this kind of thing that only serves the purpose of passing on the genetic code. Seriously, that's it, the whole reason. Your DNA's selfish desire to propagate is responsible for the Trojan War, domestic violence, Romeo and Juliet, and all that other narcissistic tripe.

Go for it, make your people-in-love suffer. It's probably not any worse than what they'd do a few years down the road on their own.

I hereby hand you the Cynicism Award for special services to the dispelling of the myths of love and romance. You probably just killed 5 puppies and three babies with sheer power of negative thought. *claps*

"The question is not who will let me, but who is going to stop me." -Ayn Rand

*Claps* Wow, that was a great comeback-- Epic to say the least!

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Oct 14, 2008 - 09 05

Eh, I already won the Anti-Nobel Prize for Epic Cynicism. You're late to the game.

I have good reason for my cynicism, too.

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It also tends to fail easily when it does.

I should know, too. English is not my native language; sarcasm is.

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Heh. Okay. For clarification, then: I was amused by Kassil, not offended.

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Oct 14, 2008 - 22 00

It was the puppies that made it hard to get. *nods*

The babies, I understand, though.

I still got an anti-Nobel for my cynicism about people and their emotions, though! It looks like I could probably use it as an emergency melee weapon during a zombie or alien invasion. Zombie alien? Zomlien?

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In stuff I write that I take seriously, I don't do romance. Period. If there are people happily in love with each other, it doesn't show. Whenever there is a character clearly in love, it's doomed. Not just unrequited, but horribly, tragically DOOMED. One of them dies, or it's an impossible relationship, or... no, most of the time, someone is dead. Or will be soon.

Disturbing? Yes. It does make me worry about the kind of person I am deep down. But would I change it for anything? No way! Tragic, impossible love that tear the character apart from the inside is the best. Embrace your hatred of love. It makes things much more interesting than boring old romance. ^^

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Glad to hear a lot of other people get beyond 'love' and whatever that means to them to writing other things.

Love is not a spectator sport.....basically. How many of you want to hear (or ugh....SEE) people who are busy falling in love? Ever had one of your friends go off to 'boyfriend/girlfriend' land and be unable to have a conversation while their heads are spinning around thoughts of their lust buddy? Been to a gathering where everyone is part of a couple except a few people who are treated like outcasts? How about the last time you thought you were blissfully happily single and people (family friends etc.) treated you like you were nuts for not trying to get back into the game? ("So, are you dating again?" "So sorry to hear about the divorce......I'm sure you've had time to get over that....is there someone new yet?") As if being happily uninvolved is unhealty. Then you see one of your friends acting like they are joined at the hip (can't get more than a foot away from their person of importance) and constantly lip locking?

So, maybe it is, or isn't fun to be in a relationship, but it is very very hard to write about it. And, as far as plots go, it might be fun to show romantic interest (sexual tension), and maybe a bit about trying to communicate, I don't find it fun to take people through the rest. No wonder people used to just say 'happily ever after....' to save them from having to write about more of the same. (He slipped the glass slipper onto Cinderella's foot.....gazed into her eyes and said, "Come be my bride" "Oh yes, my handsome Prince," ......blah blah blah........and they lived happily ever after. The End.)

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