Has anyone else noticed their posts vanishing? This is the second time one of my posts got deleted. The first one took an hour to write, and so whomever deleted it owes me $10 for that hour of work. And the second one was short. I made a VALID point about how all the awards are regional and not individual. And then I made a joke about the five types of people who enter NaNoWriMo. It was a really funny joke, and now I forget the specific wording, but I can't go back to it because it was DELETED.
Whoever's deleting posts should just stop right now.
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Oct 26, 2009 - 15 53
I never saw the one with the joke. That's weird. Which thread was it in? I will do some detective work and see if I can find out what happened.
-----------Janna
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Oct 26, 2009 - 16 22
We don't delete posts; myself and the other administrators are the only ones on this forum with the capability of doing that. MLs do not have the power to delete posts. We don't delete posts (even spam posts) unless they're duplicates of existing posts. No posts have been deleted by me, and no one else with access to this forum can.
I've looked over your post history, and I'm only seeing one thread started by you, the original one that was removed.
Was this a comment? which thread was it on? I have read your entire post history, and see nothing of that nature. Most likely it was a burp of the website (we've been having intermittent site slowness) so it's possible it was just an error and it wasn't posted.
----------Heather Dudley
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Oct 26, 2009 - 17 52
Regardless of what was said here, I'm quite convinced that Janna deleted both of them because she wants to censor expressions of my anti-allopathic beliefs. I didn't go to the previous two social things because I was very mad at some ignorant and just plain wrong things she said in private messages. For example, in one private message, she mentions a bunch of points that I can easily counter, but when I begin to send stuff that counters it, she says she doesn't want to talk about the subject anymore, along with writing in bold "READ THE SCIENCE." I understand not wanting to talk about it anymore, but my mind is racing with information that counters the stuff she typed, so I post links to three articles that reference scientific papers that prove she was wrong, and she simply deletes that post -- I forgot about that one earlier today when I started this thread, but that makes three posts she deleted in total. She has the choice to simply discontinue her own acknowledgments of those statements, but she decides instead to censor those statements. If she doesn't want to talk about it anymore, all she has to do is stop talking about it, and stop acknowledging comments that are made which are contrary to what she said. Because if someone says things that are contrary to things that I know, I'm going to post the stuff I know ... because I have just as much right to post what I know as her right to post her perspective.
The fact is that the novel I'm writing during NaNoWriMo contains very important plot points that are based on things that I believe which are contrary to things that she believes. So when I post ANYTHING about my novel, the post might include something she disagrees with. This is not meant as a personal affront to her, but she's acting as if it is. At the first social meeting, I mentioned something I believe, and she said, "crazy people believe that", "flaky people believe that". So in defense, I give her links to documentaries, articles, papers, etc, proving my point. And she sticks to her point, saying "READ THE SCIENCE", so I mention titles of peer-reviewed papers that I've read which she can read, but she simply decides to not look over any of the information that I've provided, and stubbornly stop the conversation without showing any information that is contrary to what I can EASILY provide in defense of people who she dubs "crazy" and "flaky". From my perspective, she's crazy and flaky because of another belief she's expressed which I know to be just plain laughable. But she's the first who reverted to public name-calling, I just returned the "crazy" and "flaky" to her here for balance.
The fact is: I've obviously read more science on the disputed topic than she has, but she's so stuck in her COMPLETELY FLAWED allopathic paradigm that she's prone to taking things personally that aren't meant as affronts to her.
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Oct 26, 2009 - 18 14
The fact is that those posts were off-topic for the thread to which they were posted.
Everything else you have written here is personal and does not belong on the public forum. I apologized publicly for my comments about people being 'crazy' or 'flaky', and I have said that I do not wish to discuss this subject with you any further. We probably agree on some things, but since I refuse to attempt to discuss such things with you, we will never find out. In addition, things said in private messages should stay in private messages; that's why they're called PRIVATE.
You may not have noticed, but your post about your plot - which contains some information with which I do not agree - is right where you left it, for all to see. BECAUSE IT'S ON TOPIC FOR THAT THREAD. If I were truly attempting to censor you, would it really still be there?
I still have your bunny and brought him along to the events this weekend; we missed you! We were hoping to hear all about you throwing your shoe at George W. Bush!
-----------Janna
Moderator, Character & Plot Realism Q&A
ML, Saskatoon
Canadian Overlord
The Book of Tim
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Oct 26, 2009 - 18 14
Regarding Alan's point about the awards all being regional awards, not individual awards...
When I invented the awards in 2003, my philosophy was that the awards should reflect the fact that the challenge is between regions, not individuals. Hence, no individual awards. The satisfaction of successfully writing 50,000 words is reward enough.
Having said that, I did create an award in 2003 named the "I'm Way Better At This Than Hurley Is" Award. This was awarded to the author who wrote the most words out of all of the regions participating in the challenge. In fact, I won the award. And in case you're wondering about the award's name... Hurley is my sister. She wrote many fewer words than I did. As an older brother, it is my duty to tease my little sister (isn't that right, squidface?) at every opportunity, without mercy, simply for my own amusement.
Having forgotten the "I'm Way Better At This Than Hurley Is" Award for a few years, I revived it in 2006. Someone in Montana won it that year.
What do you think? Should we compete for the "I'm Way Better At This Than Hurley Is" Award again this year? (Hurley, here's extra motivation for you - try winning the award this year.)
I'm open to suggestions for any other individual or regional awards. If we can figure out how to calculate the winner, it has a good chance of being included*.
*Disclaimer: all awards will be calculated unless I don’t feel like it, or procrastinate, or can’t find all the numbers necessary to complete the calculations, or no one else wants to complete the calculations.
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Oct 26, 2009 - 18 28
She cannot delete things. She doesn't have the permissions in the software; no ML can delete posts. All of your posts are intact, but hidden. She didn't remove them... *I* did, because they were off topic. No more, no less.
As per our Codes of Conduct (which you agreed to upon accepting our Terms and Conditions):
If conversations in the forums get heated, take a break. Don’t feel the need to respond immediately. Personal conflicts should not be aired on the forums. The forums are a place for conversations between many different people. We have a private messaging system, NaNoMail, that is perfectly suited for conversations just between two people.
A little conflict is inevitable in the NaNoWriMo forums, but escalating that conflict to the level where it becomes abusive, hateful, defamatory, or threatening is not okay. In most cases when this happens, the thread will be warned by a moderator. If the conflict continues, the thread may be locked or sequestered (moved out of sight for a while) or in rare cases the offending posts would be removed so that the valuable conversation can be preserved.
In most circumstances, we'll send a warning to any member found in violation of these conditions. Subsequent violations can result in account termination without warning.
I'm going to ask you to PLEASE abide by these terms and conditions, and not air personal disputes on the forum.
If you understand, then respect it, and drop the subject. And once again. She didn't delete anything. I hid the posts. All are still intact, but invisible to anyone but an administrator.
You have the right to post... in the right venue. NaNoWriMo is not the place to air grievances. I hid those posts because they were derailing the conversation at hand.
I have asked you to please stop digging this issue up. She has apologized, publicly, and I will ask you one more time to please stop posting about it in the forums.
So that there can be no more false accusations of "deletion", I am going to *lock* this topic. It will be perfectly visible, but you will be unable to comment further.
I will reiterate one final time: Janna did NOT delete anything, because she can't. She doesn't have the power to do so. She is a municipal liaison, not an administrator. Only administrators have the power to delete posts, and we do NOT, because we like to keep a "paper trail", as it were.
As for the "$10" you are "owed", I'm afraid that we have the right to remove any topic we see fit; this is also in the Terms and Condition which you agreed to on this site:
I will note that in fact Janna is one of our moderators (as well as being the ML for this region, MLs are moderators for their regional forums), and as such she is covered by this agreement as well.
This discussion is closed. Further topics which attempt to air your personal grievance with this region's municipal liaison in a public forum will be similarly locked.
----------Heather Dudley
Forums Moderator
I use Liquid Story Binder to write my novels.