So, because I haven't done it before, I'm writing a werewolf book this year. The thing is, I don't really think of werewolves as "fantasy"; I think they belong with vampires, demons, angels and ghosts in "Supernatural." Except there is no supernatural category. So what do the supernaturalists do? Split off into religion and fantasy, decide romance in their story is more important than the fact that their lovers are dogs three nights a month, or stick with OTHER?
I just find it somewhat bewildering that, popular as vampire and werewolf fiction is, there's no proper category for it.
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Oct 7, 2007 - 07 42
I'd say it's a genre - or a large sub-genre. There might not be a forum for it, but I'm sure you'll find Other Genres is a pretty good forum, and there will be others who are writing supernatural :-)
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Oct 7, 2007 - 14 41
Ah, I completely agree! Perhaps when the server problems are taken care of, someone can find the time to suggest it? It's certainly a large enough category to warrant a separate board. My NaNo will focus on vampires, and I was a little put-off to find that there wasn't a board for it.
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Oct 7, 2007 - 15 24
Well it's not a question of how big a genre is in the bookshops - but rather a measure of how many people *here* are doing it. There's no point having yet another sub forum set up, if only three people are going to use it, after all. There needs to be enough people and posting traffic to make it worth while.
If you can prove that there are enough people and posting activity to justify a new forum, then let the NaNo Powers That Be know, and maybe next year you'll have your own forum (it wouldn't happen this year, they have more than enough on their plates right now, as I'm sure you can imagine!)
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Oct 10, 2007 - 02 33
Well at least I'm not the only nomad about!
Just think that instead of being limited to just ONE category, that you have the right to stick your nose into anything that your story is loosely related too.
Although, unless I can actually figure out what exactly is going on with my character my qualification for supernatural might go flying out the window. My fore runners are: witch or weird vampire hybrid. I also need to get around to delving into some folk law!
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Oct 10, 2007 - 02 50
Ah, I actually meant among people I know who like to write rather than in the bookshops. ^_^ Although popularity of a genre means a lot people are reading it, and people like to write what they like. Not to mention all those book have to be written by someone. ^^;;
Thanks for the tips! ^_^
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Oct 10, 2007 - 02 52
Hee, that is an excellent philosophy.
...weird vampire hybrid witch, maybe? 0_o
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Oct 10, 2007 - 04 56
"Ah, I actually meant among people I know who like to write rather than in the bookshops. ^_^ Although popularity of a genre means a lot people are reading it, and people like to write what they like. Not to mention all those book have to be written by someone. ^^;;
Thanks for the tips! ^_^ "
That's what I said - genre forums here are created based on whether there are enough people here to use them. For instance last year, the Adventure writers had a couple of threads going within Other Genres (not just making threads for the sake of looking like they had a lot going on though), and they asked for a forum - they'd shown there were enough of them, and they used the genre forum enough (within Other Genres) to be able to populate and sustain an Adventure Forum. Lo and behold - they have one this year :-)
I'm surprised there aren't more Supernatural genre writers, given the prevalence in pop culture... you guys will have to get more friends in here and posting!
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Oct 10, 2007 - 05 56
That's a thought... But seriously, surely being a weird vampire hybrid witch couldn't slip past my MC, no? I mean, I think I'd notice personally.
Has anyone got any suggestions for possible supernatural beings/thingys? They pretty much just need to fit the category of non/slow aging, and possible genetically inheritable (not essential). It's also forming as a puberty onset type thing too... You know, cause there's not enough going on then in the first place. :P
Also, what other supernatural plots are people considering? This is my first attempt at this genre.
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Oct 10, 2007 - 06 34
When it comes to unaging or slow-aging. characters, I think that other than the most common three (gods, elves and vampires), immortal types don't come in races, so much as happening to have that attribute--what they are is often unknown or unknowable, and all anyone is really sure of is that they just keep living. It's kind of unusual, too, that you're talking about a slow-aging being in its youth, because I'm thinking of examples--Merriwether from the Dark Is Rising sequence, Merlin, Lorien (from Babylon Five XD), ents and Tom Bombadil and so on--and we usually meet them when they're old--and are just sort of continuing in an old sort of way. I suppose ghosts are pretty much unaging, but that's for not exactly the reason you're looking at... ^^;;
Is it possible you might want to just...invent something new?
As an aside, I googled unaging beings and got Franklin the Turtle.
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Oct 10, 2007 - 06 53
Thanks for the ideas, though I really don't think I can convince my MC that she's Franklin the Turtle. That might be something worth suggesting in the dares thread though? =P
I'm leaning towards my original idea of vampire hybrid, although the elf concept had tickled my mind.
*sighs* Thankfully there's still plenty of time until the start of nano, and surely I can just be VERY suspenseful before reveling what my MC really is? =D
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Oct 10, 2007 - 07 17
Very very suspenseful! It is merely a fine demonstration of your carefully considered style, a perfect sample of, um, your authory-all-knowingness, of your impressive narrative control! XD
As someone pointed out to me earlier, at least October is a Long Month.
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Oct 10, 2007 - 15 25
I heard of this genre last year that I think matches up with your themes - now, it matters on your settings, but if you're writing about creatures in a realistic setting (ie vampires in LA) then it's called an Urban Fantasy. It has fantasy elements as in the creatures and powers they have, but takes place in the big city. I was hoping for this forum since most of my stuff ends up in that kind of catagory (last year was a story about Death trying to kill a woman who was protected by an Angel and a Demon). I'm going to probably try a zombie story this year, but it takes place in the here and now with a small town detective that can communicate with the dead once out of their graves and walking.
Just thought I'd mention the term Urban Fantasy.
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Oct 10, 2007 - 15 42
Oops! i guess the Urban Fantasy people are in Fantasy! I just found them. Maybe you should look!
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Oct 10, 2007 - 15 46
Urban fantasy is pretty sweet, and kind of a happening thing right now, but since it does depend so much on a certain tone and setting, it can't quite encompass all supernatural fiction. Although in regards to my own NaNo-Project-to-be, that actually may be a fair categorization. I had not considered this...
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Oct 10, 2007 - 17 28
Ah, urban fantasy! Yet another category which I don't quite fit into. I mean, it would be fantastic if my supernatural plot was set in a big city such as LA or even Melbourne, but unfortunately small town Australia has become my setting. =D
Thus I believe that supernatural is still it's own standalone genre. =P
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Oct 10, 2007 - 18 39
Well it's not a question of how big a genre is in the bookshops - but rather a measure of how many people *here* are doing it. There's no point having yet another sub forum set up, if only three people are going to use it, after all. There needs to be enough people and posting traffic to make it worth while.
I can't help but find your comment condescending, as I wasn't referring to anywhere but the site, and I'm fully aware that it would be pointless to create a board that very few people would use.
It's just surprising to me that this topic isn't popular enough to warant its own board, and perhaps someone should suggest its creation- though I do agree that enough interest should be shown beforehand.
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Oct 11, 2007 - 05 33
[i]I can't help but find your comment condescending, as I wasn't referring to anywhere but the site, and I'm fully aware that it would be pointless to create a board that very few people would use.
It's just surprising to me that this topic isn't popular enough to warant its own board, and perhaps someone should suggest its creation- though I do agree that enough interest should be shown beforehand.[/i]
Apologies if you felt condescended to. As a Moderator of this forum (powers pending, Cybele and everyone's got enough to do getting the site running, that Mod-making's taken a back seat), I read all the threads, and see the question of "Why doesn't this have a forum?" an awful lot. Plus, double that for England:Elsewhere.
Several people post and ask why no forum, because they're all geared up in the excitement pre-NaNo, and so enthused by their chosen genre, that they assume more people are doing it, and that there will be a forum. Add in real life business and stress, and understandably, not everyone stops to think why there might not be a forum - that maybe there hasn't been enough people to fill and use it, or that - no-one's asked!
It's great that you realise those things - but because I see the question a lot, I have to work on the assumption that people haven't thought of those things (or haven't seen the same answer I gave in half a dozen other threads). It's just a question of posting the answer so that if you didn't know why, you do now, and if you did appreciate (as you did), then it's just confirming what you knew.
Obviously as you showed, you are aware of the need for enough interest, and for a forum to have enough people to use it, which is great - I had no way of knowing you were aware of that.
I'm not sure whether there was an option to search by genre in the Search Function last year, but if there is one when it comes back this year (once Russ has finished the Tech stuff to get everything running) - why not see if you can NaNoMail people who've indicated Supernatural, and get them into this thread? The Adventure writers did something similar last year, asked for a new forum, showed they were active enough to maintain it, and voila - Adventure forum.
As I said in one of my other posts - I'm surprised more people aren't doing Supernatural, to be honest. Given the popularity of shows like Buffy, Supernatural, Charmed, etc. (and although I've not watched them, I'd include ones like Hex, Medium, The 4400), which might spawn plot ideas which would either fit directly, or with a little modification, into Supernatural - I am surprised there aren't more people.
Maybe there are, and they're just not returned to NaNo, or not using the forums. I hope you find more people, as the forums are a good source of ideas and support.
ETA - OK I'm already overrunning my lunchbreak and still haven't cracked the italics code (plus - got a cold, so woolly brain). At least you can see it is quoted (sort of) now.
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Oct 11, 2007 - 10 54
I admit, I wondered the same thing at first. I'm writing about Angel-like and Demon-like beings, and found that neither Sci-Fi nor Fantasy seem to fit the bill. So I guess into "Other Genres" I go.
So you're hardly the only one who wishes for a "Supernatural" genre choice. Oh well, maybe next year. :)
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Oct 11, 2007 - 11 40
This is my first year at NaNo and was heart broken to see that there was not forum for "Supernatural"
Although what I write and and writing for November will fit into Suspense, Mystery, or mainstream-- I'd hoped I could gather ideas to improve on my supernatural skills. (not that I have many. Aside from personal experiences that is.)
I do hope next year there will be a forum for it.
snow :)
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Oct 11, 2007 - 13 36
I think you're doing fine. I've been around the boards long enough to see the same old stuff pop up repeatedly, and as a mod at other venues, I fully get where you're coming from.
Hmm. I think "The 4400" would be more science fiction. Kidnapped by aliens, mutated superpowers (like Marvel or Wild Cards or V), etc. It's got a lot of heavies in what would be considered traditional SF fare, the last I saw of it. (granted, I only saw the first season.)
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Oct 11, 2007 - 15 27
I've not seen "The 4400", but the little I'd heard about it made me think it might fit in, which was why I put it in that group I mentioned (specifically saying I thought they might, but hadn't seen them). I only knew one, maybe two people watching the show - from the first season you saw, was it any good? I'm wondering if it will be a slow burner, one that gets more widespread attention and appreciation later, like "Firefly" did.
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The episodes I saw were, meh, so-so, but nothing that made me want to devote myself to the series for life. (Unlike Firefly. ^,^)
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Well with at least one Browncoat in the thread (yay Etvulpesvelox!), you will understand why when I refer to my new MacBook as SHINY!, it's not just because it IS shiny [lol].
Have you found the Browncoat thread in Off Topic? (if you have and I didn't see your name - sorry. Aside from woolly-cold brain, I'm worn out and also tend to have so many posts to read on here that I read but don't take in posters' names). I need to watch some "Firefly", not seen any in a while! I love the episode "Trash". And "Our Mrs. Reynolds" in particular :D.
Heh - nekkid Mal! And Inara kissing Mal.
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Yay! I haven't been in OT yet, but I will now go and find the Browncoats. ^_^ Thanks!
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oh so thats where my story belongs..Cause I went to the Religious forms because my Story deals with Angels Demons witches ect ect ect... Yeah ..o-o and yes I didn't read much of the post before mine..Sorry ^^; but yeah just posting..Yo..o-o;; Geh sorry.
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Oct 12, 2007 - 05 05
After looking around at all the other genres and doing a little surfing... I can really label the theme of my book almost anything but I like the supernatural better. Its a vampire - dark- romance- erotic- supernatural- and it could also be a fantasy depening who you're talking too.
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Oct 12, 2007 - 09 19
A month or so ago I put in a suggestion for a paranormal category, although I know everything had to be wiped clean and is now gone. I'm fine with that. What I did, just a bit ago, was type in my title, didn't have one until last night. I've entered my genre as romance but in the title box I put Dark Side of Truth (paranormal romance) to narrow it down. And you can always use your signature to specify what you are writing.
Don't know if this helps, but it's a suggestion.
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Oct 12, 2007 - 17 08
They should have a paranormal genre. I kinda fit paranormal in with horror. Not a perfect fit but it's the best I can find here.
I'm doing a historical paranormal mystery, though you'd never know it because my sig line isn't showing up since they took the forums down. I actually fit 3 genres, I guess.
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Oct 12, 2007 - 19 22
I am writing a werewolf book as well, I tend to classify most of my writing as Urban Fantasy or Supernatural Generally I call it Urban Fantasy because it has a modern setting.
I'm just sticking with the "Other" category for NaNo.
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Oct 13, 2007 - 14 18
Well, I would certainly use a Supernatural/Paranormal board...though I think my project falls more into the former category than the latter. Supernatural stories tend to be my focus (and nowhere is that more obvious than this year's NaNo project), so having somewhere to talk shop without feeling like I'm being horrifically off-topic would be highly appreciated.
Still, is it really possible to be "off-genre" in the "Other Genre" subsection of the forums? Not really, so I'll merrily take what I can get. I just hope that people don't get crowded out. And even if it doesn't happen this year, I'm not that worried about it; if Adventure can have their board by the next year, then I'm sure that (pending a reasonable amount of interest) we could get ours.