I write a lot of fiction. Heroic fiction, to be more specific.
To be very specific, most of what I write involves the fantastic-- people with odd powers, in situations that just don’t happen in the “real world.” I can’t get any more specific than that-- it runs the gamut from "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" fanfiction, to science-fiction, to fantasy, to a fantasy-type-thing that I can only call a comic book without pictures. I hesitate to call it pure fantasy-- as I am at least nodding in the direction of “hard science.”
Science-fantasy? That’ll do.
The one thing I am told I do well consistently is fight scenes, especially those that involve hand-to-hand combat or melee weapons. I’ve heard everything from “good fights,” to “man, I felt exhausted after just reading that, it felt like I was there.”
So, I thought I’d share something about writing up-close-and-personal violence, since I seem to be good at it.
The first rule of writing hand-to-hand violence is, as with anything else, “know what you’re talking about.”
Me? I’ve had my share of martial arts courses, and I’m a temperamental son-of-a-gun. I get in more than my share of conflicts, or at least I used to (I guess I’m mellowing with age).
But that doesn’t mean that if you want to write a good hand-to-hand fight, you have to run right out an enroll in the nearest karate school. Not at all. (Though it couldn’t hurt-- it’s a nasty old world, and getting nastier all the time, it seems. Besides-- it’s great exercise.)
But you do need to watch a lot of fights. Preferably “real” ones-- not what TV and movies pass off as fights. (Though, upon reflection, if you’re writing fight scenes with characters that have unusual abilities, it might be a good idea to watch some TV or movies with fights involving unusually-powered people.) I mean boxing matches, Pro Karate Association matches, and the like. Or, if there’s a martial arts school nearby, go and watch a class. Every decent school I’ve ever been involved with had at least some sparring in every class past the earliest ones. But make sure you ask permission! Nearly every instructor I’ve ever had would say yes-- but be annoyed if you didn’t ask. Explain that you want to write for a living, or for a hobby even, and that you need to learn something about violence. (Also, don't take pictures or video without asking, and if you ask, you'll probably get told no-- the instructor might have insurance issues with that, or be worried about the video showing up on YouTube. If there are kids present, he'd have to get parental permission to give you permission, etc, ad nauseum.)
Take notes. Copious notes. Don’t wait for the sparring. If you see a move that intrigues you during the drills, write it down. Describe it as best you can, then wait for the sparring to see how it’s used in “combat.”
Doesn’t sound too hard? Take a crack at it. But before you try using it in a story, read it to some people. Make sure they’re seeing what you are describing. This may take a bit of trial and error-- and expect the errors. Trim or add, as necessary.
For instance, here’s an example of one way to describe a spinning back-kick:
“John spun around and kicked the guy in the jaw.”
Um, that’s a little weak.
Let’s try again:
“John set himself sideways to his opponent, right side forward. His left foot came forward, crossing in front of his right, and his hands were tucked in close, left held vertically in front of his chest, right against his side, fist up, ready to punch. He spun counter-clockwise, on the ball of his left foot, right leg coming up knee-first, then extending as he spun, the heel of his right foot catching the man along the jaw, as John’s weight settled on to all of his left foot, giving his kick more power and stability.”
Well . . . while this might have it’s place (perhaps the very first time the character does anything violent, to let the reader know you can get that detailed, or just how good the character is), it’s a little over the top. Reach for the famed Happy Medium.
Take a gander at this:
“John shifted position and his feet crossed, left in front of right. He spun on his left foot, the right coming up and out, catching his opponent squarely in the jaw.”
Ah, much better. I can “see” that-- but it isn’t too detailed!
Next step-- determining when to use how much detail.
I’m going to let you in on a secret here-- one that a friend of mine, who raves about my fight scenes, didn’t believe at first.
This part is easy.
I have a work-in-progress that is, basically, a comic book, without the pictures. (Given that, it’s a good thing I can write fights, huh?) Here’s how I determine the detail level necessary for a fight scene;
First, ask yourself this: Is this a fight that will help define the character?
If the answer is yes, go for the detail. Wallow in it-- let the reader know the character's ability, be it high or low. In “A World in Need” (my comic-sans-pictures), my hero, the Shadow Soldier, started out a lost, hurt (emotionally, not physically) and frightened man. But he had once been a very skilled martial artist. So, the first fight he got into-- even before he had super-powers-- was important.
In the first draft, that scene opened like this: “Even as the leading thief swung his homemade blackjack (a one-inch socket, filled with lead and wrapped in leather) down towards the back of his head, Sean moved his upper body neatly to his right, leaving his left foot planted, leg out like a tripwire. The thief tripped, and as he fell forward Sean slammed his elbow back into the man’s gut, and snapped fist up into the man’s face. There was a crunch and a spray of blood as the thief’s suddenly-exhaled breath blew his blood on to the back of Sean’s hand.”
High detail. Not as high as it gets, but high. It was important that the reader see that this overweight, shy (or is it frightened?) man was once something more. Shortly after this fight, Sean (our hero) got shaky and almost ill from reaction-- despite the fact that he was never in any danger, as exhibited by the speed and ease with which he handled his attackers. I was trying to show that this was a man with lots of potential-- and that he was afraid of tapping it. For the most part, it worked. (Then I chucked the whole scene in rewrite. *sighs* Some days….)
Next question: How important is this fight to the story?
Usually-- not always, though-- the more important it is, the more detail you want. The first exception to this is, if the characters aren’t doing anything new, anything the audience hasn’t seen before-- then you don’t need to get detailed.
The second exception is pace.
If you aren’t worried about conveying urgency or haste-- get detailed. If there is any haste or urgency, sacrifice the detail to maintain the pace.
As an example, the first time in “A World in Need” that Sean-- now wearing a cobbled-together costume, and calling himself the Shadow Soldier-- fights another super-powered being, he is very badly outclassed, when it comes to raw power. The only real shot he has at taking the villain (a super-strong, super-tough psychopath, with no real imagination) down is to do it fast-- and without getting hit much, or at all if he can help it. So I started with more detail-- and lessened it, as things got more urgent.
Here’s a sample, from near the start: “Shadow Soldier simply dropped under the other man’s arms, moving sideways as he did so, and slammed his forearm across Preston’s stomach as he closed in. Preston staggered backwards and Shadow Soldier followed, kicking twice at Preston’s head, dropping the second kick, as Preston blocked near his head, to slam into the man’s stomach.”
This is about as high as the detail got, in this fight. The reader had been told that Shadow Soldier thought Preston’s weak spot was his stomach-- so they had to be shown that the stomach was the main target.
As I got close to the end, the detail lessened. At least until the final blows, which were (of course) highly detailed.
An example of less detailed, from after Preston first demonstrates that he’s hurting: “Immediately Shadow Soldier changed the focus of his attacks, alternating head shots with attacks to the stomach. His feet and his remaining good arm moved almost too fast to follow, leaving trails of grayish light behind them that almost seemed to weave a complex web around Dave Preston.”
See? I needed urgency. So, I sacrificed detail. But, for the final blows-- back to heavy detail. (Drama is everything, you know.)
Violence is not that hard. Or at least, writing it isn’t-- and no bruises, afterwards!
Three simple rules, then:
1) Know something about fighting.
2) Use detail to establish character, or the importance of the fight to the story.
3) Never let detail take away from pacing!
Keep these things in mind, read some books heavy on action and in no time, your friends will be begging you to get past the “mushy stuff”-- and back to the action!
Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have a villain to take down.
Thanks for the tip. I am familiar with some types of martial arts myself but sometimes it is difficult to put what your body knows into writing. That, and vocabulary. I write in English and yet, it is not my first language. Guess I have to do more research and get my dictionary ready :)
I have always had trouble with fight scenes in the past, and therefore rarely, if ever, attempt them. Hopefully I'll be able to utilize this advice, thanks = )
Well done. I thought your use of description was appropriate, and it was clear you knew your subject matter.
I have a similar type of story I am working on for NaNo. My main character is a professional cage fighter who, having risen to nearly the pinnacle of his sport, develops bio-energy abilities, which enhance his martial arts. These new abilities bring power and benefits, but also regret and danger. The energy released attracts beings, which feed on it like a drug. The urge to satisfy their hunger will drive these creatures out of hiding and on the hunt.
I've practiced/studied martial arts for the last 20 years. I started with Tae Kwon Do in my teens, then Capoeira in my late twenties and early thirties. I now study Jeet Kune Do/Muay Thai/Jiu Jitsu MMA. I am hoping that my experience will give me more insight into fight scenes, as well.
I write a lot of fiction. Heroic fiction, to be more specific.
The one thing I am told I do well consistently is fight scenes, especially those that involve hand-to-hand combat or melee weapons. I’ve heard everything from “good fights,” to “man, I felt exhausted after just reading that, it felt like I was there.”
So, I thought I’d share something about writing up-close-and-personal violence, since I seem to be good at it.
Nicely done, Dadditudinal! I'll be checking back here alot, I'm sure... my novel takes place in a bar, over 200 years of time, so there's sure to be lots of fights! Thanks for the [excellent] effort!
Fantastic, and yet simple, advice. I've written fight scenes and thought they were acceptable - now I can see I didn't know what I was talking about at all! I will definitely put this advice to good use immediately!
I agree. My characters won't be physically punching, but verbally. I really like the tip that the detail should match the importance of the fight, or to define character. You've helped me. Thanks!
This is a great post. I particularly like the definition of your genre. It is very close to my own, if you throw in some multi-culti mythology and folk tales.
I'm writing a kind of science/fantasy/almost-comic-book novel, also. But my hero doesn't have the kind of fighting knowledge yours does. Her enemies are also stronger, faster, and more vicious than she is, so she has to use her wits. However, she knows people with more knowledge, so there will be scenes with people who actually know how to fight. But seeing as it's first person point of view, she's going to be looking at the fights with her non expert eyes.
But seeing as Nano starts today, I'm not going to have time to learn martial arts or even do that much research. I'll have to muddle through with my imagination, but I do know an ex soldier I can run things by for accuracy and details. I'm going to have to go to my outside expert I think.
I like your discussion of pacing, too. Thanks for the great tutorial
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a lot of the scenes in my book aren't really going to be up close and personal or one on one. What happens in a battle when there are several, perhaps an army on your side and a slightly smaller, if not equal in power, army on the other side? I think I might do a 1st person narrative but when she looks around it will be hard to describe the fighting going on around her. Could you help me on this?
I'd probably say stick to the rules about matching detail to importance and pacing - and if she's only watching, make sure you match it to how long the character has to look at something! But I'm not all that experienced with fight scenes. Hope that helps :)
Um, my thought is to observe some well portrayed melee battles of epic proportions in the movies or reenactment documentaries. Imagine you are in them, participating or nearby, such as on a supply wagon or peeking out an arrow slit of the bailey.
The riders of Rohan in Lord of the Rings are excellent, from the attack on invading orcs, to their assist at the siege of Gondor. You could compare the written passages to the things that come to mind as you watch, rewatch, and internalize the visual one too.
I think there was a similarly intense and detailed melee in the Highlander movie ...sorry, I dislike war films, but I am thinking of the one about the Scottish freedom fighters against Roman incursion, NOT the odd, supernatural "Highlander" TV series.
Elizabeth Moon is an author that has done a series of fantasy books where the main character is first a mercenary and then a paladin. Moon herself was in the army and has a fantastic grasp on the mechanics of army battle for both small groups and larger groups. I'd recommend reading her. Also their are a number of historical books that go into battle tactics with maps. I know that doesn't help with the detailed descriptions but it can help you understand how armies both large and small move and fight.
thanks! i was updating my word count and i was a tad ahead and needed something to keep me entertained for a bit. My story is about pirates. Though I have written many stories before this one (some envolving fighting but nothing too crazy) i was a little uneasy about written swordfights, straight up fights, brawls, one-on-ones, group fights, attacks, and my main characters mild superpower.
Then i got a glimpse of this and i read it and it really helped. Thankfully my boyfriend is a martial artist (idk if thats how you'd say it...idk) and he has been teaching me to fight since we started dating two years ago. Also I see him sparring with his friends often and if i need any help or even for them to demonstrate what im writing, they will. Plus my friend Mark is teaching Carlos (my boyfriend) to use a sword. Katana, really, while I'm using more of fencing-fighting...ya know? Pirates and Ninjas are a little TOO different at times (sigh). lol Anyway, thanks for the help! :)
I love you so much right now. Simplicity has always been a problem for me... Not making it simple, of course, but making it TOO simple and assuming the audience would know what I'm trying to say. What ends up happening is that I have this whole scene envisioned in my mind, but no one else can see it because I have no idea of how to put it into words, other than, "I kicked him and then he hit me. It really hurt."
Thank you for this awesome advise! there are going to be quite a few fighting scenes in my new novel and I've never quite known what I was doing when writing them before. This is going to help me a lot- so thanks a lot for helping!
Love this information! I have a teenaged boy disaffected with his society and thought I would need to show him in a fight. This kind of thinking is just what I need to do a better job of it. Many thanks!
Good tips, what made me feel really wonderful about your advice is that, thinking back, I was already using a lot of the same techniques without really thinking about it. The end result is I'll continue to write my fight scenes the same way, but I'll have a more conscious understanding of why and therefore more control, so thank you very much :)
Righteous. I'm actually doing exactly that: writing a Hero Fiction involving many a fight scene. Luckily, I'm also an artist, so I WILL eventually draw all of this out, but that's a story for another time. I'll keep all you sad in mind whilst scribbling those scenes out. Thanks much, I really appreciate it.
And, you're right. Martial Arts experience helps a whole hell of a lot with this.
[LIKE] Awesome stuff. Bookmarked this thread to keep an eye on it. This advise is going to save me - i see a LOT of fighting in my story. Heck, my first scene was a trial by combat... Which I'm sure is crap, but no going back to fix it now!!
That was really cool. I have a new appreciation for any fight scenes that I watch now for sure…in fact, I’ll probably have more appreciation for every kind of motion I see now too. Yay for something to do while sitting in class! Really though, this is great. Thanks.
Very good. I write a lot of fight scenes and have experience in martial arts (karate, taekwondo, kendo) and actually fighting (three brothers). I like to choreograph and mentally storyboard all my action sequences in advance. It really helps to have a concrete grasp of the situation in order to describe it and, yes, details should be compressed whenever possible.
Using the fight scene to reveal something about the character, though, is not really something I try to do. Are my fight scenes too gratuitous, I wonder.
thanks a lot! I'm attempting a first novel, with the prospect of more, and there will be a fair amount of violence in it. I think this will really help.
You and R.A. Salvatore of Drizzt Do'Urden fame in the Underdark.
What links would you suggest for writerly fight training? There's so many out there just wanting to sell a video or book, and I can't judge quality as an amateur.
I need to learn more about forms of sword fighting, physical takedowns like in wrestling and judo, and knife play like the cuban style knife duels. I have the internal martial arts reasonably well understood. Can you point me in the right direction?
Ask me about horsemanship or chocolate cream pie, and I can be as dramatic and expert as needed :-P
He he me too, I can right a wonderful scene with a horse but not a decent fight scene to save my life. I need help!! I am trying to write a fight scene, one using swords, and I just can't get it right. I need to learn some basics but the internet just isn't doing it for me, I would also love some advice on finding a way to learn to fence without it being too expensive but will still get me the experience I need to write a good sword fight.
Super cool!! My novel is going to have a ton of fight scenes and I definitely am going to remember this! =D plus, I've had a little martial arts experience, so all this makes so much sense!
Excellent! I might just have to rewrite my opening fight scene now before continuing on. It is very important to establish the character you know... Do I get extra points for already incorporating my Aikido knowledge? :b (<-rhetorical question, of course I get points!)
I'm working on my first novel. Going by what I've got bouncing around in my head now, this should be helpful. Thanks and good luck to Shadow Soldier decimating the enemy!
That is so helpful because my first novel on here is actually not focused on . . . non-vilonce whatnot and romance. But one guestion which might end up solving itself . . . But should I get my dad or someone to teach me abit about guns? That's one of the most used weapon beside the girl's fist. One of her most important scences is a "gun-massacre" so I'm trying to use alot of details. Any tips with that?
Go shooting with you Dad if you never have. It would definitely help with understanding how a gun feels and help give you better detail. Also there are books that are basically encyclopaedia's on guns, telling you how big they are, how powerful, and how many round they have. If it's sci-fi that part doesn't matter but if it's based more in reality you don't want to describe a gun blowing a hole through someone when there's no one it could do that. There are a lot of gun enthusiast out there who go shooting a lot and they will be able to pick up on weather you are using the right weapon for the right situation. And even without that consideration you want to make sure you get the right details and feeling to your piece.
Thx so much! I've been wanting to write fighting scenes in my other book but couldn't figure out how to write it. Now it should sound better than just "He punched the other in the gut and then sent his head flying with another punch." Thanks again!
Thankyou thankyou thankyou! This was a post that descended from writing heaven!
I am writing a Superhero story, but I'm a gentle girl and have never gotten close to physical fighting. So, It's wonderful to get this Tutorial! I love it!
Hehe.... When you said to go to a martial arts class I had to chuckle. I've taken Tae Kwon Do for four years and I have basic fencing knowledge. Thanks for the rest of it, though. I really needed it.
Thanks Dadditudinal! I'm putting together a novel that I've had in my head for a year and it involves a lot of fighting with zombies (because I'm oh-so-original). I've found myself getting caught up in details and losing some pacing. I'll try to lay off the details a little bit and see if that picks things up.
excellent advice. no matter how many times I've seen it in movies or on TV, hearing it broken down like that helps. I'm a huge fan of MMA (UFC and what was Strike Force mainly) and I may have a go at a written commentary of a fight soon... It will be a challenge and good practice in my opinion.
That's very helpful! Thank you - I used to dread fighting scenes, because mind sounded always so lame. But now I can't wait to write one and test my new knowledge.
This is just what I need for this year's novel but, even more, for the novel I'm going to rewrite from January because there's a huge amount of hand-to-hand combat in that one. I'm also going to use your pointers about using the amount of detail to show importance and help to pace the novel, when I write the sex scenes in all my novels (sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between the two activities).
Thank you for sharing. Your information is really helpful.
I've been told that my scenes are either great, too short or too long (same scenes, different people). How do you determine your market/audience when it comes to getting a review of a work in progress?
I just got a ton of advice from Erotic Romance writers a good fight scene has a lot in common with a good sex scene :) So I focus on emotion, feelings what is going on in the character.
Oy!! That reminded me of a class I had on Beowulf, where one of the scholarly articles we had to read about the work said it was sexual allegory!
EEEEeeeuuuuu.
It's not very flattering to women, either, put that way. The person getting grabbed, lunged at, stabbbed, impaled, sweating and grunting is a bonafide monster - Grendel, and his mother, also a monster.
I prefer real monsters and dragons, and heroes, not intellectuals messing up a good adventure with "deeper meanings". Let's go pay Crom a visit, shall we?
Thank you for this! My fight scenes have always lacked reality. Hopefully, I can help them improve. Although I do have one fight that I really liked from a sci-fi story I just finished. Yeah, that was a lot of fun.
I think what is also important is how much does your character know about fighting. If he/she is a martial arts expert, the more you can reference to all sorts of movements. I would feel it's natural since the character *knows* this, and his confidence in the battle and what s/he's is expecting to accomplish with every blow. It's a calculated fight from the characters perspective.
On the contrary, if the character is fighting for his life and is blindly punching, I would take more time explaining his emotional state than where did he randomly throw his punch in any detail besides "and then he hit the bad guy on the jaw".
This will help when I continue to add to my 08 NaNo! My MC is a superhero and I'm awful at writing fight scenes unless it's her cats ripping someone apart. And that doesn't take much finesse.
Sweet. I love writing action/fight/chase scenes and I'm looking to put a lot of superpowered gang-fight-esque scenes in my new book. Now I want to start out my new book with a fight scene. The possibilities...^.^
I'm doing a story this year with a kind of 'genre' aspect to it compared to my usual writing. Normally I have no issues with writing actions, but fast paced, reaction based actions like fighting have always been difficult. Drawling in the details is never good in any kind of writing, so it's nice to see that pace is the key to writing fight scenes.
I especially liked the advice about pace. That was something that had slipped my mind.
In the "real world" (I rather dislike the term, but it is understood), most fights between normal males are a lot of posturing. If they do evolve into any kind of physical combat, its usually only a few blows before it turns into a wrestling match. Or it's over very quickly; the first decisive blow is usually the end of the altercation. (This from personal experience as a bar bouncer and having a rather colorful life up to this point). Once the looser is down, a jerk will keep going after them. Which makes great behavior for a villain's thugs, but in real life, makes them jerks.
Females are somewhat different. In the same altercation, the tension will build and simmer over about a 45 minute period. At that time it goes from "0 to Uzi in 2.2 seconds" (an actual bouncers' term). Females estrogen blocks the uptake of adrenaline, but once it is in the system, it stays in the system for about an hour, fading out over that period. Any additional stimulus will keep them "up" for longer. (If you get a chance, see Tobi Beck's "The Armored Rose" for a whole lot more on how and why this is so).
For heroic characters, a long drawn out conflict makes for great drama. But hey, throw in a few of the normal folk getting taken out in one shot just to show how tough your hero/heroine really is! Many readers may not realize this, so tell em. Then they know your main character is a toughie!
Fantastic stuff Dadditudinal, thanks for the inspiration!
Wow! That was so good, I want to add fight scenes to my novel...which is about scientists and astronauts on the first exploration of Mars. No aliens. Not much chance of fighting. Damn!
kkatowli - why not have a gratuitous fight scene for scientific purposes? They can examine the effects of low gravity, disrupted sleep cycles, and thin air on physical agility/endurance.
Hmmm...I should do some research on swordsmanship, then. (Though with my fanfictions it's more "basic" (Zelda) or "as cool as possible" (Kingdom Hearts).) That and polearmmanship. And knifemanship. Maybe gunmanship. And definitely plain old fisticuffs past half-a-belt-of-Tae-kwon-do.
Wow, thank you so much for this! I'm working on another piece (unrelated to NaNo) and all this information is absolutely perfect for it. I've had a hard time writing fight scenes, and I actually have one coming up. This will really help me. I loved your examples, by the way. Very effective.
I thought this was great advice. I know that I have always lacked detail in fight scenes, but know I think I finally have a grasp at how to go about them. Thanks :D
Fight Scenes 101
Fight Scenes 101
I write a lot of fiction. Heroic fiction, to be more specific.
To be very specific, most of what I write involves the fantastic-- people with odd powers, in situations that just don’t happen in the “real world.” I can’t get any more specific than that-- it runs the gamut from "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" fanfiction, to science-fiction, to fantasy, to a fantasy-type-thing that I can only call a comic book without pictures. I hesitate to call it pure fantasy-- as I am at least nodding in the direction of “hard science.”
Science-fantasy? That’ll do.
The one thing I am told I do well consistently is fight scenes, especially those that involve hand-to-hand combat or melee weapons. I’ve heard everything from “good fights,” to “man, I felt exhausted after just reading that, it felt like I was there.”
So, I thought I’d share something about writing up-close-and-personal violence, since I seem to be good at it.
The first rule of writing hand-to-hand violence is, as with anything else, “know what you’re talking about.”
Me? I’ve had my share of martial arts courses, and I’m a temperamental son-of-a-gun. I get in more than my share of conflicts, or at least I used to (I guess I’m mellowing with age).
But that doesn’t mean that if you want to write a good hand-to-hand fight, you have to run right out an enroll in the nearest karate school. Not at all. (Though it couldn’t hurt-- it’s a nasty old world, and getting nastier all the time, it seems. Besides-- it’s great exercise.)
But you do need to watch a lot of fights. Preferably “real” ones-- not what TV and movies pass off as fights. (Though, upon reflection, if you’re writing fight scenes with characters that have unusual abilities, it might be a good idea to watch some TV or movies with fights involving unusually-powered people.) I mean boxing matches, Pro Karate Association matches, and the like. Or, if there’s a martial arts school nearby, go and watch a class. Every decent school I’ve ever been involved with had at least some sparring in every class past the earliest ones. But make sure you ask permission! Nearly every instructor I’ve ever had would say yes-- but be annoyed if you didn’t ask. Explain that you want to write for a living, or for a hobby even, and that you need to learn something about violence. (Also, don't take pictures or video without asking, and if you ask, you'll probably get told no-- the instructor might have insurance issues with that, or be worried about the video showing up on YouTube. If there are kids present, he'd have to get parental permission to give you permission, etc, ad nauseum.)
Take notes. Copious notes. Don’t wait for the sparring. If you see a move that intrigues you during the drills, write it down. Describe it as best you can, then wait for the sparring to see how it’s used in “combat.”
Doesn’t sound too hard? Take a crack at it. But before you try using it in a story, read it to some people. Make sure they’re seeing what you are describing. This may take a bit of trial and error-- and expect the errors. Trim or add, as necessary.
For instance, here’s an example of one way to describe a spinning back-kick:
“John spun around and kicked the guy in the jaw.”
Um, that’s a little weak.
Let’s try again:
“John set himself sideways to his opponent, right side forward. His left foot came forward, crossing in front of his right, and his hands were tucked in close, left held vertically in front of his chest, right against his side, fist up, ready to punch. He spun counter-clockwise, on the ball of his left foot, right leg coming up knee-first, then extending as he spun, the heel of his right foot catching the man along the jaw, as John’s weight settled on to all of his left foot, giving his kick more power and stability.”
Well . . . while this might have it’s place (perhaps the very first time the character does anything violent, to let the reader know you can get that detailed, or just how good the character is), it’s a little over the top. Reach for the famed Happy Medium.
Take a gander at this:
“John shifted position and his feet crossed, left in front of right. He spun on his left foot, the right coming up and out, catching his opponent squarely in the jaw.”
Ah, much better. I can “see” that-- but it isn’t too detailed!
Next step-- determining when to use how much detail.
I’m going to let you in on a secret here-- one that a friend of mine, who raves about my fight scenes, didn’t believe at first.
This part is easy.
I have a work-in-progress that is, basically, a comic book, without the pictures. (Given that, it’s a good thing I can write fights, huh?) Here’s how I determine the detail level necessary for a fight scene;
First, ask yourself this: Is this a fight that will help define the character?
If the answer is yes, go for the detail. Wallow in it-- let the reader know the character's ability, be it high or low. In “A World in Need” (my comic-sans-pictures), my hero, the Shadow Soldier, started out a lost, hurt (emotionally, not physically) and frightened man. But he had once been a very skilled martial artist. So, the first fight he got into-- even before he had super-powers-- was important.
In the first draft, that scene opened like this: “Even as the leading thief swung his homemade blackjack (a one-inch socket, filled with lead and wrapped in leather) down towards the back of his head, Sean moved his upper body neatly to his right, leaving his left foot planted, leg out like a tripwire. The thief tripped, and as he fell forward Sean slammed his elbow back into the man’s gut, and snapped fist up into the man’s face. There was a crunch and a spray of blood as the thief’s suddenly-exhaled breath blew his blood on to the back of Sean’s hand.”
High detail. Not as high as it gets, but high. It was important that the reader see that this overweight, shy (or is it frightened?) man was once something more. Shortly after this fight, Sean (our hero) got shaky and almost ill from reaction-- despite the fact that he was never in any danger, as exhibited by the speed and ease with which he handled his attackers. I was trying to show that this was a man with lots of potential-- and that he was afraid of tapping it. For the most part, it worked. (Then I chucked the whole scene in rewrite. *sighs* Some days….)
Next question: How important is this fight to the story?
Usually-- not always, though-- the more important it is, the more detail you want. The first exception to this is, if the characters aren’t doing anything new, anything the audience hasn’t seen before-- then you don’t need to get detailed.
The second exception is pace.
If you aren’t worried about conveying urgency or haste-- get detailed. If there is any haste or urgency, sacrifice the detail to maintain the pace.
As an example, the first time in “A World in Need” that Sean-- now wearing a cobbled-together costume, and calling himself the Shadow Soldier-- fights another super-powered being, he is very badly outclassed, when it comes to raw power. The only real shot he has at taking the villain (a super-strong, super-tough psychopath, with no real imagination) down is to do it fast-- and without getting hit much, or at all if he can help it. So I started with more detail-- and lessened it, as things got more urgent.
Here’s a sample, from near the start: “Shadow Soldier simply dropped under the other man’s arms, moving sideways as he did so, and slammed his forearm across Preston’s stomach as he closed in. Preston staggered backwards and Shadow Soldier followed, kicking twice at Preston’s head, dropping the second kick, as Preston blocked near his head, to slam into the man’s stomach.”
This is about as high as the detail got, in this fight. The reader had been told that Shadow Soldier thought Preston’s weak spot was his stomach-- so they had to be shown that the stomach was the main target.
As I got close to the end, the detail lessened. At least until the final blows, which were (of course) highly detailed.
An example of less detailed, from after Preston first demonstrates that he’s hurting: “Immediately Shadow Soldier changed the focus of his attacks, alternating head shots with attacks to the stomach. His feet and his remaining good arm moved almost too fast to follow, leaving trails of grayish light behind them that almost seemed to weave a complex web around Dave Preston.”
See? I needed urgency. So, I sacrificed detail. But, for the final blows-- back to heavy detail. (Drama is everything, you know.)
Violence is not that hard. Or at least, writing it isn’t-- and no bruises, afterwards!
Three simple rules, then:
1) Know something about fighting.
2) Use detail to establish character, or the importance of the fight to the story.
3) Never let detail take away from pacing!
Keep these things in mind, read some books heavy on action and in no time, your friends will be begging you to get past the “mushy stuff”-- and back to the action!
Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have a villain to take down.
A hero’s work is never done….
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Interesting. I'll remember that.
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Cool, cheers, this helps a lot
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Thanks! I'm diving into a revenge novel this year & this is just what I needed to read. :)
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Awesome! I don't know anything about fighting, yet I have two main characters with short tempers. *Rolls eyes* boys. Thanks so much for this!
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Thank you very much! :D
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Thanks for the tip. I am familiar with some types of martial arts myself but sometimes it is difficult to put what your body knows into writing. That, and vocabulary. I write in English and yet, it is not my first language. Guess I have to do more research and get my dictionary ready :)
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Thank you so much! I write a lot of books with fight scenes in them, so this is so helpful! :)
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Thank you, I've never had it put so simply
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Kick ass advice. Pun intended! Thanks. :)
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I have always had trouble with fight scenes in the past, and therefore rarely, if ever, attempt them. Hopefully I'll be able to utilize this advice, thanks = )
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Well done. I thought your use of description was appropriate, and it was clear you knew your subject matter.
I have a similar type of story I am working on for NaNo. My main character is a professional cage fighter who, having risen to nearly the pinnacle of his sport, develops bio-energy abilities, which enhance his martial arts. These new abilities bring power and benefits, but also regret and danger. The energy released attracts beings, which feed on it like a drug. The urge to satisfy their hunger will drive these creatures out of hiding and on the hunt.
I've practiced/studied martial arts for the last 20 years. I started with Tae Kwon Do in my teens, then Capoeira in my late twenties and early thirties. I now study Jeet Kune Do/Muay Thai/Jiu Jitsu MMA. I am hoping that my experience will give me more insight into fight scenes, as well.
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I've been on facebook too much... I was looking for the "like" button after reading this helpful post.
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Haha, same here. Facebook must be an epidemic! XD
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it's ok...me too...i actually went to "like" yours.... haha
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I did the exact same thing for BOTH posts! Oh boy... :D
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hum, if we put a link to this on the FB page for NANO, we can Like it!
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Wow. Now that's obsessive. ;)
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Lol i totally agree
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Nicely done, Dadditudinal! I'll be checking back here alot, I'm sure... my novel takes place in a bar, over 200 years of time, so there's sure to be lots of fights! Thanks for the [excellent] effort!
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Fantastic, and yet simple, advice. I've written fight scenes and thought they were acceptable - now I can see I didn't know what I was talking about at all! I will definitely put this advice to good use immediately!
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Thanks for the tips :D Highly emotionally charged scenes, like fight scenes, are always difficult. I have to wing it just to get the words out D:
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I agree. My characters won't be physically punching, but verbally. I really like the tip that the detail should match the importance of the fight, or to define character. You've helped me. Thanks!
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Hmmm, good thinking - especially the researching bit. Funny how I've never thought to research that, when I do other things :D
Nobody want's Alex Rider's one-kick-arsenal!
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This is a great post. I particularly like the definition of your genre. It is very close to my own, if you throw in some multi-culti mythology and folk tales.
I'm writing a kind of science/fantasy/almost-comic-book novel, also. But my hero doesn't have the kind of fighting knowledge yours does. Her enemies are also stronger, faster, and more vicious than she is, so she has to use her wits. However, she knows people with more knowledge, so there will be scenes with people who actually know how to fight. But seeing as it's first person point of view, she's going to be looking at the fights with her non expert eyes.
But seeing as Nano starts today, I'm not going to have time to learn martial arts or even do that much research. I'll have to muddle through with my imagination, but I do know an ex soldier I can run things by for accuracy and details. I'm going to have to go to my outside expert I think.
I like your discussion of pacing, too. Thanks for the great tutorial
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I tend to be something of a detail whore. I know that's going to be the hardest part for me. Knowing when to pare it down for the sake of pace.
Thanks for the insight, dollface. <3
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thank you! this will probably come in very handy soon. ^_^
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a lot of the scenes in my book aren't really going to be up close and personal or one on one. What happens in a battle when there are several, perhaps an army on your side and a slightly smaller, if not equal in power, army on the other side? I think I might do a 1st person narrative but when she looks around it will be hard to describe the fighting going on around her. Could you help me on this?
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I'd probably say stick to the rules about matching detail to importance and pacing - and if she's only watching, make sure you match it to how long the character has to look at something! But I'm not all that experienced with fight scenes. Hope that helps :)
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Um, my thought is to observe some well portrayed melee battles of epic proportions in the movies or reenactment documentaries. Imagine you are in them, participating or nearby, such as on a supply wagon or peeking out an arrow slit of the bailey.
The riders of Rohan in Lord of the Rings are excellent, from the attack on invading orcs, to their assist at the siege of Gondor. You could compare the written passages to the things that come to mind as you watch, rewatch, and internalize the visual one too.
I think there was a similarly intense and detailed melee in the Highlander movie ...sorry, I dislike war films, but I am thinking of the one about the Scottish freedom fighters against Roman incursion, NOT the odd, supernatural "Highlander" TV series.
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Elizabeth Moon is an author that has done a series of fantasy books where the main character is first a mercenary and then a paladin. Moon herself was in the army and has a fantastic grasp on the mechanics of army battle for both small groups and larger groups. I'd recommend reading her. Also their are a number of historical books that go into battle tactics with maps. I know that doesn't help with the detailed descriptions but it can help you understand how armies both large and small move and fight.
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thanks for the advice itll help a ton
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THANK YOU.
I hate to say it, but I really dislike it when someone murders a good scene or story with a crappy fight scene.
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Thank you!! My book is about a war, and there's a lot of hand to hand combat.
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Thank you; I haven't written a fight scene before so I'll be sure to utilize this information.
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Very nice.
Interestingly enough the first (really short) fight scene I wrote was while I was in a Karate dojo waiting for my kid's lesson to finish!
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Oh my gosh, THANK YOU! This absolutely SAVED ME
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thanks! i was updating my word count and i was a tad ahead and needed something to keep me entertained for a bit. My story is about pirates. Though I have written many stories before this one (some envolving fighting but nothing too crazy) i was a little uneasy about written swordfights, straight up fights, brawls, one-on-ones, group fights, attacks, and my main characters mild superpower.
Then i got a glimpse of this and i read it and it really helped. Thankfully my boyfriend is a martial artist (idk if thats how you'd say it...idk) and he has been teaching me to fight since we started dating two years ago. Also I see him sparring with his friends often and if i need any help or even for them to demonstrate what im writing, they will. Plus my friend Mark is teaching Carlos (my boyfriend) to use a sword. Katana, really, while I'm using more of fencing-fighting...ya know? Pirates and Ninjas are a little TOO different at times (sigh). lol Anyway, thanks for the help! :)
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Try looking at fencing, especially sabre fencing. I have done that in the past and have some knowledge in the area
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Thank you so much. Now my fight scenes won't consist of "I curled my hand into a fist and swung, knowing I wouldn't miss."
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I love you so much right now.
Simplicity has always been a problem for me... Not making it simple, of course, but making it TOO simple and assuming the audience would know what I'm trying to say. What ends up happening is that I have this whole scene envisioned in my mind, but no one else can see it because I have no idea of how to put it into words, other than, "I kicked him and then he hit me. It really hurt."
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This helped me out a lot ! thanks ! it also helps that i take boxing and know a thing or two on how to fight ! thanks for the info ! ! !(:
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This is so useful to me. I don't have much experience in writing action fight scenes. thanks for the tips
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Thank you for this awesome advise! there are going to be quite a few fighting scenes in my new novel and I've never quite known what I was doing when writing them before. This is going to help me a lot- so thanks a lot for helping!
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Love this information! I have a teenaged boy disaffected with his society and thought I would need to show him in a fight. This kind of thinking is just what I need to do a better job of it. Many thanks!
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Haha that's very cool..Thank You very much^_^
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I'm writing a fiction mystery thriller and theres a huge awesome fight scene at the end and this really helped me, thanks! :D
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This was very helpful.
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Good tips, what made me feel really wonderful about your advice is that, thinking back, I was already using a lot of the same techniques without really thinking about it. The end result is I'll continue to write my fight scenes the same way, but I'll have a more conscious understanding of why and therefore more control, so thank you very much :)
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Righteous. I'm actually doing exactly that: writing a Hero Fiction involving many a fight scene. Luckily, I'm also an artist, so I WILL eventually draw all of this out, but that's a story for another time. I'll keep all you sad in mind whilst scribbling those scenes out. Thanks much, I really appreciate it.
And, you're right. Martial Arts experience helps a whole hell of a lot with this.
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This helps so much. I love writing fight scenes, and these tips will really help :)
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Awesome stuff. Bookmarked this thread to keep an eye on it.
This advise is going to save me - i see a LOT of fighting in my story. Heck, my first scene was a trial by combat... Which I'm sure is crap, but no going back to fix it now!!
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This is really helpful, thank you! I'll have to remember this for later on. :)
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That was really cool. I have a new appreciation for any fight scenes that I watch now for sure…in fact, I’ll probably have more appreciation for every kind of motion I see now too. Yay for something to do while sitting in class! Really though, this is great. Thanks.
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I'm gonna need a bit more action in the novel I am working on and also a fight scene I am trying to perfect in a different story. Thanks a million.
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Wow, this is great. This will definitely help a lot for my novel. Thanks! ;D
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Very good. I write a lot of fight scenes and have experience in martial arts (karate, taekwondo, kendo) and actually fighting (three brothers). I like to choreograph and mentally storyboard all my action sequences in advance. It really helps to have a concrete grasp of the situation in order to describe it and, yes, details should be compressed whenever possible.
Using the fight scene to reveal something about the character, though, is not really something I try to do. Are my fight scenes too gratuitous, I wonder.
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thanks a lot! I'm attempting a first novel, with the prospect of more, and there will be a fair amount of violence in it. I think this will really help.
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I understood both written sentences, because he was using karate. I practice the art as well.
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I'm totally bookmarking this to reference later in my book! SCORE!!
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Cool, thanks.
You and R.A. Salvatore of Drizzt Do'Urden fame in the Underdark.
What links would you suggest for writerly fight training? There's so many out there just wanting to sell a video or book, and I can't judge quality as an amateur.
I need to learn more about forms of sword fighting, physical takedowns like in wrestling and judo, and knife play like the cuban style knife duels. I have the internal martial arts reasonably well understood. Can you point me in the right direction?
Ask me about horsemanship or chocolate cream pie, and I can be as dramatic and expert as needed :-P
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He he me too, I can right a wonderful scene with a horse but not a decent fight scene to save my life. I need help!! I am trying to write a fight scene, one using swords, and I just can't get it right. I need to learn some basics but the internet just isn't doing it for me, I would also love some advice on finding a way to learn to fence without it being too expensive but will still get me the experience I need to write a good sword fight.
Amazing advice!!!
I'm a huge fan of fight scenes and action...this will really help me step my game up!
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Super cool!! My novel is going to have a ton of fight scenes and I definitely am going to remember this! =D plus, I've had a little martial arts experience, so all this makes so much sense!
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So useful! I'm def bookmarking this for later. :)
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Excellent! I might just have to rewrite my opening fight scene now before continuing on. It is very important to establish the character you know...
Do I get extra points for already incorporating my Aikido knowledge? :b (<-rhetorical question, of course I get points!)
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I'm working on my first novel. Going by what I've got bouncing around in my head now, this should be helpful. Thanks and good luck to Shadow Soldier decimating the enemy!
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That is so helpful because my first novel on here is actually not focused on . . . non-vilonce whatnot and romance. But one guestion which might end up solving itself . . . But should I get my dad or someone to teach me abit about guns? That's one of the most used weapon beside the girl's fist. One of her most important scences is a "gun-massacre" so I'm trying to use alot of details. Any tips with that?
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Go shooting with you Dad if you never have. It would definitely help with understanding how a gun feels and help give you better detail. Also there are books that are basically encyclopaedia's on guns, telling you how big they are, how powerful, and how many round they have. If it's sci-fi that part doesn't matter but if it's based more in reality you don't want to describe a gun blowing a hole through someone when there's no one it could do that. There are a lot of gun enthusiast out there who go shooting a lot and they will be able to pick up on weather you are using the right weapon for the right situation. And even without that consideration you want to make sure you get the right details and feeling to your piece.
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Thx so much! I've been wanting to write fighting scenes in my other book but couldn't figure out how to write it. Now it should sound better than just "He punched the other in the gut and then sent his head flying with another punch." Thanks again!
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This is awesome. Thank you!
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That's great stuff! This is my first attempt, and I never gave pacing much thought! Glad I read the post.
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Thankyou thankyou thankyou! This was a post that descended from writing heaven!
I am writing a Superhero story, but I'm a gentle girl and have never gotten close to physical fighting. So, It's wonderful to get this Tutorial! I love it!
Awesome Comic book advice! I'm going to do that!
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Any suggestions for writing fight scenes with swords? :)
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I liked this. I always wanted to write fight scenes, but couldn't figure out how. This has great tips. Thank you.
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Hehe.... When you said to go to a martial arts class I had to chuckle. I've taken Tae Kwon Do for four years and I have basic fencing knowledge. Thanks for the rest of it, though. I really needed it.
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Thanks for these tips! I'll keep them in mind...I have some fight scenes to write in my novel for NaNaoWriMo this year. :)
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This is great advice as my fight scenes are always kind of thin. It's also a nice way to procrastinate, yet still feel productive.
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Very helpful! Just the kind of tutorial I've always wanted :D Thanks!
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I was actually plundering around the internet trying to fix a certain fight scene, only to find the solution on my NaNoWriMo homepage! Thank you :)
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Wow, great info...thanks so much.
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like it very much
please tell how to start new thread
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Thanks that is SOOOOOOOOOOOO helpful!!!! <3
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amazingness :D thank you sooo much! my fighting scenes are horrible and boring. this will help me alot
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Thanks for the info! I can really get into that scene now, include it, and go with it! :)
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Thanks Dadditudinal! I'm putting together a novel that I've had in my head for a year and it involves a lot of fighting with zombies (because I'm oh-so-original). I've found myself getting caught up in details and losing some pacing. I'll try to lay off the details a little bit and see if that picks things up.
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excellent advice. no matter how many times I've seen it in movies or on TV, hearing it broken down like that helps. I'm a huge fan of MMA (UFC and what was Strike Force mainly) and I may have a go at a written commentary of a fight soon... It will be a challenge and good practice in my opinion.
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That's very helpful! Thank you - I used to dread fighting scenes, because mind sounded always so lame. But now I can't wait to write one and test my new knowledge.
Thanks for sharing!
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This is just what I need for this year's novel but, even more, for the novel I'm going to rewrite from January because there's a huge amount of hand-to-hand combat in that one. I'm also going to use your pointers about using the amount of detail to show importance and help to pace the novel, when I write the sex scenes in all my novels (sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between the two activities).
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Thank you for sharing. Your information is really helpful.
I've been told that my scenes are either great, too short or too long (same scenes, different people). How do you determine your market/audience when it comes to getting a review of a work in progress?
Tyra
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This helps me enormously! Thank you very much!!
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I just got a ton of advice from Erotic Romance writers a good fight scene has a lot in common with a good sex scene :) So I focus on emotion, feelings what is going on in the character.
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It does sound like a good sex scene, doesn't it? I guess it makes sense in a way.
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Oy!! That reminded me of a class I had on Beowulf, where one of the scholarly articles we had to read about the work said it was sexual allegory!
EEEEeeeuuuuu.
It's not very flattering to women, either, put that way. The person getting grabbed, lunged at, stabbbed, impaled, sweating and grunting is a bonafide monster - Grendel, and his mother, also a monster.
I prefer real monsters and dragons, and heroes, not intellectuals messing up a good adventure with "deeper meanings". Let's go pay Crom a visit, shall we?
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Thank you for this! My fight scenes have always lacked reality. Hopefully, I can help them improve. Although I do have one fight that I really liked from a sci-fi story I just finished. Yeah, that was a lot of fun.
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Great way of putting it into words!
I think what is also important is how much does your character know about fighting. If he/she is a martial arts expert, the more you can reference to all sorts of movements. I would feel it's natural since the character *knows* this, and his confidence in the battle and what s/he's is expecting to accomplish with every blow. It's a calculated fight from the characters perspective.
On the contrary, if the character is fighting for his life and is blindly punching, I would take more time explaining his emotional state than where did he randomly throw his punch in any detail besides "and then he hit the bad guy on the jaw".
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A very good point.
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This will help when I continue to add to my 08 NaNo! My MC is a superhero and I'm awful at writing fight scenes unless it's her cats ripping someone apart. And that doesn't take much finesse.
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Good advice! Thanks, Dadditudinal, for taking the time to share it with us! :)
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Sweet. I love writing action/fight/chase scenes and I'm looking to put a lot of superpowered gang-fight-esque scenes in my new book. Now I want to start out my new book with a fight scene. The possibilities...^.^
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Yay! This was exactly the thing I was worrying about! Thanks much.
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I'm doing a story this year with a kind of 'genre' aspect to it compared to my usual writing. Normally I have no issues with writing actions, but fast paced, reaction based actions like fighting have always been difficult. Drawling in the details is never good in any kind of writing, so it's nice to see that pace is the key to writing fight scenes.
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Thanks, I'll try this out! I had been looking for a helpful guide like this.
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Great stuff!
I especially liked the advice about pace. That was something that had slipped my mind.
In the "real world" (I rather dislike the term, but it is understood), most fights between normal males are a lot of posturing. If they do evolve into any kind of physical combat, its usually only a few blows before it turns into a wrestling match. Or it's over very quickly; the first decisive blow is usually the end of the altercation. (This from personal experience as a bar bouncer and having a rather colorful life up to this point). Once the looser is down, a jerk will keep going after them. Which makes great behavior for a villain's thugs, but in real life, makes them jerks.
Females are somewhat different. In the same altercation, the tension will build and simmer over about a 45 minute period. At that time it goes from "0 to Uzi in 2.2 seconds" (an actual bouncers' term). Females estrogen blocks the uptake of adrenaline, but once it is in the system, it stays in the system for about an hour, fading out over that period. Any additional stimulus will keep them "up" for longer. (If you get a chance, see Tobi Beck's "The Armored Rose" for a whole lot more on how and why this is so).
For heroic characters, a long drawn out conflict makes for great drama. But hey, throw in a few of the normal folk getting taken out in one shot just to show how tough your hero/heroine really is! Many readers may not realize this, so tell em. Then they know your main character is a toughie!
Fantastic stuff Dadditudinal, thanks for the inspiration!
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This is really helpful! Thanks for the tips - I plan to implement! :D
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Luckily for me, my characters have no knowledge of fighting, except for DnD.. So it'll be fun describing that stuff.
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Does this apply to dancing as well? Still gonna roll with it
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I'm glad that people are getting some use out of this-- thanks for all the compliments and comments, all!
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Here's an interview with R.A. Salvatore, who's well known for his fight sequences:
http://blog.shelfari.com/my_weblog/2011/08/ra-salvatore-on-how-to-write-a-damn-good-fight-scene.html
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Wow! That was so good, I want to add fight scenes to my novel...which is about scientists and astronauts on the first exploration of Mars. No aliens. Not much chance of fighting. Damn!
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kkatowli - why not have a gratuitous fight scene for scientific purposes? They can examine the effects of low gravity, disrupted sleep cycles, and thin air on physical agility/endurance.
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Hmmm...I should do some research on swordsmanship, then. (Though with my fanfictions it's more "basic" (Zelda) or "as cool as possible" (Kingdom Hearts).) That and polearmmanship. And knifemanship. Maybe gunmanship. And definitely plain old fisticuffs past half-a-belt-of-Tae-kwon-do.
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Wow, thank you so much for this! I'm working on another piece (unrelated to NaNo) and all this information is absolutely perfect for it. I've had a hard time writing fight scenes, and I actually have one coming up. This will really help me. I loved your examples, by the way. Very effective.
Thanks again!
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I thought this was great advice. I know that I have always lacked detail in fight scenes, but know I think I finally have a grasp at how to go about them. Thanks :D